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  RefMinor

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4/07/12 8:40:12 PM#141
Originally posted by Dredphyre
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by asianbboy101
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by asianbboy101

wtf. you guys on crackin pipe?! you let the hype get over your head.

swtor is one of the top five mmorpgs ever made. 2 million sales and 1.7 subs, that is awesome.

the stoy is one of a kind and combat is very active, for christ sakes its more innovative than fps.

the game has potential with the updated 1.2 so called jesus patch and future expansions.

swtor is relatively new, so give it time and it will bear its fruit. it's not like wow was great at the beginning.  wow was at its peak after serveral expansions. 

just wait few years, swtor will be honored as the top mmo.

gw2, tsw, archage can't touch swtor.

 

Lol, do you wear a motley cap when you do this stuff.

what stuff..i'm being serious. swtor is a well made game with few quirks, but eventually its gonna reign like a storm.

 

It's already lost the battle in my head, the only debate happening now in the echo chamber is what level subs will steady at, I doubt, since I only listen to those who validate my views,  it will be enough for anything other than maintainence only status.

Another thread fixed in my imaginary world where SWTOR has 1.7m subs, burble, burble burble and isn't dropping subs like flies round an electrocutor!

 

Thanks for fixing that for me.
  Scorchien

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4/07/12 8:46:49 PM#142

http://www.mmorpg.com/photo/297eb963-c71e-4df3-843e-75c3d521df84

 

 

  all that is left for ToR .......................

  flclimax

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4/07/12 8:54:12 PM#143
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by flclimax

btw, have they apologized for all the flaming and reporting they did yet?

Is that you fony?

who?

  Distopia

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4/07/12 8:56:12 PM#144
Originally posted by flclimax
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by flclimax

btw, have they apologized for all the flaming and reporting they did yet?

Is that you fony?

who?

Uhhhuh

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason

  flclimax

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4/07/12 8:58:22 PM#145

i'm sure everyone still remembers how you guys were acting around here. i just registered an account here but i use to lurk this forum all last year.

 

 

  lokiboard

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4/07/12 9:06:06 PM#146

A tantrum (or temper tantrum or tirade or hissy fit) is an emotional outburst, usually associated with children or those in emotional distress, that is typically characterized by stubbornness, crying, screaming, yelling, shrieking, defiance, angry ranting, a resistance to attempts at pacification and, in some cases, violence. Physical control may be lost, the person may be unable to remain still, and even if the "goal" of the person is met he or she may not be calmed.[1][2][3][4][5] A tantrum may be expressed in a tirade: a protracted, angry, or violent speech.[1][2] 

 

 

  Distopia

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4/07/12 9:09:41 PM#147
Originally posted by flclimax

i'm sure everyone still remembers how you guys were acting around here. i just registered an account here but i use to lurk this forum all last year.

 

 

So that's the second person to take anything I said as flames (unless you were the first to throw stones). As I told the last guy examples.

I still don't buy it. No one else I've ever seen has  been "out to get" specific posters in such a way. I'd actually like you to give one example of where I said SWTOR was going to be a game I'd play for more than a few months, on it's own merits, my whole reasoning all along was to play with actual friends, which I said I'd quit if they did, well they did.

Examples of what you're talking about please (of me flaming posters [who weren't flaming others]).

 

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason

  lokiboard

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4/07/12 9:13:13 PM#148
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by flclimax

i'm sure everyone still remembers how you guys were acting around here. i just registered an account here but i use to lurk this forum all last year.

 

 

So that's the second person to take anything I said as flames (unless you were the first to throw stones). As I told the last guy examples.

I still don't buy it. No one else I've ever seen has  been "out to get" specific posters in such a way. I'd actually like you to give one example of where I said SWTOR was going to be a game I'd play for more than a few months, on it's own merits, my whole reasoning all along was to play with actual friends, which I said I'd quit if they did, well they did.

Examples of what you're talking about please (of me flaming posters [who weren't flaming others]).

 

Same here but they went to world of tanks so I'm back in TOR......WOT  omg barf   *eyeroll

  Distopia

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4/07/12 9:16:13 PM#149
Originally posted by lokiboard
Originally posted by Distopia

So that's the second person to take anything I said as flames (unless you were the first to throw stones). As I told the last guy examples.

I still don't buy it. No one else I've ever seen has  been "out to get" specific posters in such a way. I'd actually like you to give one example of where I said SWTOR was going to be a game I'd play for more than a few months, on it's own merits, my whole reasoning all along was to play with actual friends, which I said I'd quit if they did, well they did.

Examples of what you're talking about please (of me flaming posters [who weren't flaming others]).

 

Same here but they went to world of tanks so I'm back in TOR......WOT  omg barf   *eyeroll

Hehe, I've been giving thought to trying that one out lol.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason

  flclimax

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4/07/12 9:16:17 PM#150

burble burble.

  Distopia

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4/07/12 9:19:10 PM#151
Originally posted by flclimax

burble burble.

Yeah that's close to what I expected.:) Back to the other games I'm watching.. Cya

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason

  Riftstar

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4/07/12 10:52:36 PM#152
Originally posted by ignore_me
Originally posted by Dredphyre
Originally posted by ignore_me
Originally posted by Riftstar

Honestly, this game isn't bad at all, as far as PVE and story are concerned. It's not hard and I find it a fun way to pass time. I would like to see PVP worked a bit more.

Did you hit level 50 yet?

Since I feel the same as the quoted poster (minus the PvP which I don't do in RPGs), I'll say yes. After 2 months, I hit my first 50lvl character. By the first of May, I'll have my second 50.

I'm enjoying the hell out of the class stories, and like watching reruns of a TV sitcom, I don't mind going through the side quests again, though I break it up by alternating factions. Played a hybrid dps/tank JK, mixing it up with a sneaky Smuggler and a pure dps Sith Marauder. I'll surely play all 8 class stories, and I'll likely redo some classes as different spec to experience different companion stories (dark Jaesa for example).

 

 

Well that's cool. I am wondering what Riftstar's answer will be too.

I did. I still play Empire, but I also wanted to check out the Republic storyline, so I'm working on a scoundrel now. Story is still very good. It's interesting how the same bit of history is skewed between the factions (i.e. Revan). Barely mentioned on Republic side (or maybe I haven't progressed far enough), but well-known on the Empire side.   

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  william0532

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4/08/12 1:08:53 AM#153

I know why I have strong feelings about SWTOR. Its just how it affects me, and I don't expect anyone to agree with me, or change their opinion to agree with me. Have your own opinions, I have mine.

I'm seriously disappointed with Bioware, they delivered a bad game in my opinion. Theres nothing to do outside waiting for warzone ques, and running the two raids. No mini games(other than space, which pisses me off twice as much), and seriously kotor their sprpg had more mini games than their mmo. Theres no customization and the outfits look rediculous(I never played WoW cause I believe only  women from the 80's should wear shoulder pads)

This is the most linear mmo I've ever played. I didn't notice the capital ships in the sky on coruscant because I never looked up, I was following my bread crumbs to the next target(I noticed it in a screen shot, and had to go back to look, its actually kind of cool)

Look, if your mmo is going to be as diverse as Call of duty, have more $$$$ing maps! Three warzones? Open world pvp (Ilum) was so horribly imagined that someones job should be lost!

If you ask any question of bioware they tell you its on the wall of crazy. Here, let me interpret what wall of crazy means in developerese. It means, "its on the wall of shut the $$$$ up and keep paying your sub waiting for something thats not coming"

I mean seriously, the only modest developer over their is gabe amantegelo(Probably spelled wrong), but the rest of the developers Zoeller, Erickson especially are uptight arrogant $$$$'s.

I am a balanced mmo'er. Killer=I raced to warhero, got the bm gear and subbed out the mods to stack crit and surge, but I can't do it anymore. Its not fun, I can't take a week and do some other pvp cause there is none.

Achiever=I got everything, but I dont' want to roll 8 alts for a different story so I'm effectively done

Socializer=Bioware gave us guilds, which in their game is a friends list, nothing else.

Explorer=I have every datacron and never once did I feel like I was exploring, sigh.

I've never effectively done everything in an MMORPG before in my life, two months into TOR and I'm done, beat it?

Voice over was not worth all the cuts they had to make to content. This is not EA's fault, bioware thought story would carry the game, it will not.

  comradedoug

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4/08/12 1:27:03 AM#154

Unreasonable expectations. I was a long time LOTRO player, at beta etc. If TOR had been what LOTRO was at launch, people would've shat more bricks then are currently being shat. It works, full voice acting, instances pvp, OPVP (Albiet horrendous OPVP), raids, operations. LOTRO launched with 4 (Or was it like, 6? 7? ..GB/GA/Fornost/CD/URU/BG)instances across all levels and 1 raid (helegrod)

 

In conclusion, people thought TOR would be the second coming. As a fan of this era in the Star Wars lore, I enjoy it. Anyone who says it isnt star wars was just execpting harrison ford and darth vader.  It is profoundly star wars, and I think people's illness with prototypical MMO gaming made them hate everything more than it really should be hated.

 

That said, I look forward to Gw2 launching and seeing if it really does change anything, or, like RIFT, if it just makes everything look slightly different so trollers think it actually is different.

 

 

  bestman22

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4/08/12 1:28:50 PM#155

I will agree that the innovators all seem to be the indies... the problem with that is that EA eats every indy they can and stops whatever they were doing to keep things as is.

 

I will admit  I loved SWG before the cu/nge... some days you want to kill womp rats, some days I crafted stuff, some days i focused exclusively on space...some days I just remodeled my houses.... I  also like DAOC.... not quite a sandbox like swg was, but hell crafting was tops, your own decoratable houses, and really really good rvr.

 

Swtor has none of that, and thats fine for some people I suppose, the story is good once through for a faction and class stories are great... what do you do after you hear/see all the stories though and grind out your gear?  I am guessing that "real" space is the big next project they are working on, great... however if crafting stays the same as it is, then so what....grind ground, then grind space for best loot... ok done with that, what now?  No one gets to make a business for themselves where people say go visit so and so, he has great weap/armor/droids/engines or whatever...

 

At the end of the day though, it doesnt really matter... this post wont sway anyone, all it does is let people know how I feel about the game.  Is the game dieing.... no idea other than of the people that I knew that got it... like 1 is still playing out of 12... but again that states nothing as we are all fairly like in our tastes so no brainer that we arent hooked into it.

 

If you bothered to read all that, the only thing to take from this is for 5 years of development and a god awful amount of money, I expected more... not just a online single player RPG that you can group with other people on.   The game was billed as a full MMORPG with full voice acting and cut scenes.... its got the voice acting and cut scenes.... it missed the MMO part.  There was supposed to be more than just combat to do... I suppose that is moderately true if you consider a bad clone of starfox with new graphics, and clicking to send your minions on missions for tradeskill items stuff to do....

  wrightstuf

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4/08/12 1:37:43 PM#156

As others have said, its unrealistic expectations. people get all hyped for a new game and unless its everything the hoped for they become bitter.

GW2 is a good example. It better be like the second coming or holy grail or all the fanbois will shred it on the forums

  Kakkzooka

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4/08/12 1:48:36 PM#157
Originally posted by wrightstuf

As others have said, its unrealistic expectations. people get all hyped for a new game and unless its everything the hoped for they become bitter.

GW2 is a good example. It better be like the second coming or holy grail or all the fanbois will shred it on the forums

There's a distinct difference between GW2 and SWTOR. ArenaNet is releasing tons of video that shows uninterrupted game footage  instead of  their Dev's talking about the game. EA knew they had a bad product, so they limited the information and confined it to short clips or had their Devs talk about the game. They knew in advance and lied about the features of their game. (e.g. 100 v. 100 PvP on ILUM.)

 

If you watch the clip, look how quickly cut together the footage is. Look how the people have to rely on what the Dev is telling you the game will be like rather than showing you with extended footage.

Now watch this for contrast. Which looks more engaging? Also, the Devs admit how they're fixing mistakes prior to release.

 

Re: SWTOR

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  Pigozz

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4/08/12 1:56:02 PM#158
Originally posted by wrightstuf

As others have said, its unrealistic expectations. people get all hyped for a new game and unless its everything the hoped for they become bitter.

GW2 is a good example. It better be like the second coming or holy grail or all the fanbois will shred it on the forums

Funny

I see these "GW2 better be something like second coming" only from people like you warning others from getting hyped up...strange indeed

Real fans actually know what the game will offer, with all its imperfection(such as loading screens, cash shop, over the top particles etc) so they wont fall flat on their nose at all

It's just people like you who will invade the forums once the game comes out crying out loud that the game is not the Ambrosy of MMO gaming...not the fans (or at least the sane ones)

SWTOR is different case - it was based on one of the most famous IPs of all time and so even the most casual gamers bought it, because they were overhyped over the 4 fancy CGIs. I saw their joy, I told them not to hype themselves over it because I did my homework and I knew what the game will exactly offer (and boy was I right! even about the shitty PvP since I knew bioware has 0 experience in that field), they didnt listen, they had their "STARWARS AND BIOWARE cannost fail!  I dont have to look into it, they just wont" attitude and thus they were dissapointed miserably - It was expected, really

GW2 on the other hand, build its hype on gameplay vids, word of mouth and fresh ideas and they walked the walk...they basicaly did the opposite and thats why(along with my knowledge of the game) I trust them

 

MMOs played chronologically:
Runescape,Lineage II, WoW,Tabula Rasa, AoC,Eve Online,Guild Wars, Rift(beta only),SWTOR(beta only),Star Trek Online
Most fun: Tabula Rasa

  wrightstuf

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4/08/12 2:21:20 PM#159
Originally posted by Pigozz
Originally posted by wrightstuf

As others have said, its unrealistic expectations. people get all hyped for a new game and unless its everything the hoped for they become bitter.

GW2 is a good example. It better be like the second coming or holy grail or all the fanbois will shred it on the forums

Funny

I see these "GW2 better be something like second coming" only from people like you warning others from getting hyped up...strange indeed

Real fans actually know what the game will offer, with all its imperfection(such as loading screens, cash shop, over the top particles etc) so they wont fall flat on their nose at all

It's just people like you who will invade the forums once the game comes out crying out loud that the game is not the Ambrosy of MMO gaming...not the fans (or at least the sane ones)

SWTOR is different case - it was based on one of the most famous IPs of all time and so even the most casual gamers bought it, because they were overhyped over the 4 fancy CGIs. I saw their joy, I told them not to hype themselves over it because I did my homework and I knew what the game will exactly offer (and boy was I right! even about the shitty PvP since I knew bioware has 0 experience in that field), they didnt listen, they had their "STARWARS AND BIOWARE cannost fail!  I dont have to look into it, they just wont" attitude and thus they were dissapointed miserably - It was expected, really

GW2 on the other hand, build its hype on gameplay vids, word of mouth and fresh ideas and they walked the walk...they basicaly did the opposite and thats why(along with my knowledge of the game) I trust them

 

I'm not warning anyone about anything. I'm just stating how i see it. In fact i am hyped to the max for TSW

To me, if a new game is a let down, then i'm bummed. I move on. I certainly dont get all wigged out over it.

  wrightstuf

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4/08/12 2:33:05 PM#160

at least i actually got invited to swtor beta without having to pre order

 

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