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General Discussion  » Exactly how are chests that can only be unlocked via buying keys in the Cash shop NOT Pay 2 win?

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  MMOarQQ

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"Against stupidity the very gods themselves contend in vain."

4/07/12 5:06:44 PM#61

I'm starting to feel like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day.

Is there a one a day quota for these threads?

  thinktank001

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4/07/12 5:11:04 PM#62
Originally posted by Celcius

Since so many people will be undercutting eachother in order to sell the gems cheaper, the market for gems will be determined by players, not the developers or goldsellers.

 

This is absolutely ridiculous.   It is a fact that less than 10% of the users will be purchasing gems, and I would argue it will probably be less with GW2, since everyone was expecting it to be B2P.  Nothing like pissed off players to drive your sales down even more.  Do you really think gem sellers are willing to undercut each other when 90% of the server is looking to buy gems?

 

To put it in a simple supply/demand aspect. 

- Gems;  limited supply

- Gold; infinite supply

What do you think will be the more valuable?

  Fir3line

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4/07/12 5:12:37 PM#63

oh, I opened a mystic chest aswell, i got 3 potions that would change me to a leopard, that couldnt jump and had no ability.

 

I really felt the P2W kicking in.

 

Seriously ppl, you got no clue of what's inside those chest, stop raving about it, you'll know from the betas soon enough and then can judge it accordingly

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  User Deleted
4/07/12 5:13:25 PM#64
Originally posted by st4t1ck
Originally posted by gainesvilleg

True, but I also like talking about gaming and the theory of it.  I hate the direction Anet is taking the payment model.  They have basically usurped the F2P model and are charging you $60 for it.  I'm offended by this actually LOL.  I get worked up about gaming as it is my primary hobby.

I dont agree.  there's nothing in the cash shop that p2w and the gold-gem-exchange works all ways,   if you buy a lot of diamons and sell them for gold, the person that bought them can chose to do the same thing. 

the guild buffs in WvW will be obtainable by just having a guild that does stuff in world vs world.  you cant spam buffs or have 100 buffs on at once or something.

the thing i wanna see the most in the game is someone raging after they spent 200$ and still cant "win" pvp

someone blindly arguing a point that has no foundation (sticking fingers in ears, closing eyes, and blow raspberries) You can't logically reason with someone who refuses to see logic and continues to allow themselves to be blinded by their hatred to cash shops.

 

The cash shop does not offer anything that can not be purchased with in game currency!!!! Those who play a lot will have more of an advantage over those who spend money because the exchange in which you get gold for gems is based on supply of gold and demand.  GOLD is the most valued currency not GEMS.

 

I'm a full time gamer and I'm extremely passionate about video games and the video game market.  When ALLODS put in a FORCED cash shop = a true pay 2 win, not some absurd excuse most here are trying to put on GW2, I boycotted Gpotato because they were forcing everyone to purchase a cash shop item for EVERY DEATH.  Now the game is truly a pay 2 win giving you upgrades to your armor and weapons via cash shop only.  GUILD WARS 2 Does not have this at all period.

I've boycott games before because of the greedy tactics they push with their cash shops but I do not blindly ignorantly push an idea on uneducated bias hatred for "Cash shops" entirely.  Infact I welcome a model that does it correctly.

 

I plan on putting in a full time schedule, similar to a full time work week in Structured PvP in an E-Sport PVP group.  I can be happy that no matter what My group will feel no disadvantage against ANYONE who puts $200-$1000 in the cash shop hell they could spend $1mill dollars in GW2 cash shop and they still will not have an advantage worth spitting at over my team.  SKILL will be the only factor period.  If you beat us it'll be because your better not because you used the cash shop to upgrade your armor or weapons or gained a boost that could be increased to a point where we couldn't damage you....

 

and for gods sake how hard is it to get it thru ones mind that GW2 has WvW not RvR...

  Aethaeryn

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4/07/12 5:15:57 PM#65

Fallen Earth has a similar system.  They keys can also be found in game. . the chests drop simple mats or cosmetic items.

Not sure how GW2 will work but it certainly does not mean pay to win.

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  Unlight

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4/07/12 5:18:11 PM#66

Keys can only be obtained for gems, huh? 

Probably one of the more feeble attacks from the under-the-bridge crew I've seen.  Shape up guys.  Release day is approaching and people are still wanting to play the game.  You're efforts to incite are becoming increasingly pathetic.

  moosecatlol

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4/07/12 5:20:29 PM#67

Also something to remember is that everything that you know about the game is subject change.

  Slampig

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4/07/12 5:20:51 PM#68
Originally posted by BilboDoggins

I would like to see how anyone can logically come to the conclusion that chests which can only be unlocked by buying keys from the cash shop isnt Pay 2 win.

 

Cuz i dont think anyone can and if they do claim its not Pay 2 win I think they are being willfully ignorant and/or intellectually dishonest.

 

So lets hear it. Defend this obvious pay 2 win scam.

Well what is inside these chests?

That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

  KingJiggly

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Definition for innovation is below. Your welcome.

4/07/12 5:21:13 PM#69
Remember, in game gold can be traded with other players for Gems which are used in the Cash Shop to buy their wares. So technically, while it can be Pay to Win (I'll have to see what is in it) not everyone has to truly "pay" to win. Supply and demand folks, supply and demand.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/innovation

  ComfyChair

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4/07/12 5:22:01 PM#70

Just to answer the title in a really simple way that basically renders any further discussion (and most previous) moot:

 

If they're cosmetic weapons with the same max stats as any other max weapon. We know for a fact the best 'max' stats can be simply bought from a merchant, the rest is cosmetic.

 

Simple!

  Naqaj

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4/07/12 5:23:08 PM#71
Originally posted by ComfyChair

Just o answer the title in a really simple way that basically renders any further discussion (and most previous) moot:

 

If they're cosmetic weapons with the same max stats as any other max weapon. We know for a fact the best 'max' stats can be simply bought from a merchant, the rest is cosmetic.

 

Simple!

Even simpler. There are no weapons or armor at all in those boxes.

  cyress8

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BOOYAKA!

4/07/12 5:24:31 PM#72
Originally posted by Naqaj
Originally posted by ComfyChair

Just o answer the title in a really simple way that basically renders any further discussion (and most previous) moot:

 

If they're cosmetic weapons with the same max stats as any other max weapon. We know for a fact the best 'max' stats can be simply bought from a merchant, the rest is cosmetic.

 

Simple!

Even simpler. There are no weapons or armor at all in those boxes.

What?!?  No truthfulness allowed in this thread, sir.

BOOYAKA!

  asianbboy101

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4/07/12 5:26:14 PM#73
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by gainesvilleg
Originally posted by dagon3

We need to just get rid of free to play all together go back to the way it was , pay your 50 cents a day for your monthly sub , then all this bullshit talk and arguing will be over with .

Good ole pay and play !

Anyone else agree ?

I actually 100% agree.  And I would be willing to up the subscription to $50 a month for a truly worthy game.  The very crass cash shop mechanics just need to go, along with the pay2win.

 

I agree, I am amazed people seem to think that Anet have created their system to discourage people from buying things, the truth will out.

No matter how much you guys wish, f2p games along with cash shops, micro, rmt and so forth are HERE TO STAY. As long its a proven business model..it's not going anywhere, not matter how much you minor folks complain. We hear you loud and clear, time to move on and accept the reality.

My guess is that people who play f2p [such as maplestory, perfect world, league of lends, Wizard 101, um..farmville anyone, etc] heavily outpopulate those who would play subbed games. So, there is a market out there and it won't disappear.

Think about those games who might've not gone f2p, would they still be around? I highly doubt it. LOTRO, Age of Conan, D&D would've shut down. Except LOTRO, I think they could've still stayed in sub model and still be successful.

Cash shops/microtranscations/rmt/etc are the future and its here to stay. So, LETS ALL EMBRACE the platform.

  romanator0

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4/07/12 5:30:44 PM#74
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by gainesvilleg
Originally posted by dagon3

We need to just get rid of free to play all together go back to the way it was , pay your 50 cents a day for your monthly sub , then all this bullshit talk and arguing will be over with .

Good ole pay and play !

Anyone else agree ?

I actually 100% agree.  And I would be willing to up the subscription to $50 a month for a truly worthy game.  The very crass cash shop mechanics just need to go, along with the pay2win.

 

I agree, I am amazed people seem to think that Anet have created their system to discourage people from buying things, the truth will out.

Yeah, 'cause wanting people to buy things is sooooo money-grubbing and greedy.

  RizelStar

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4/07/12 5:34:09 PM#75
Originally posted by TheTrueKing
Originally posted by st4t1ck
Originally posted by gainesvilleg

True, but I also like talking about gaming and the theory of it.  I hate the direction Anet is taking the payment model.  They have basically usurped the F2P model and are charging you $60 for it.  I'm offended by this actually LOL.  I get worked up about gaming as it is my primary hobby.

I dont agree.  there's nothing in the cash shop that p2w and the gold-gem-exchange works all ways,   if you buy a lot of diamons and sell them for gold, the person that bought them can chose to do the same thing. 

the guild buffs in WvW will be obtainable by just having a guild that does stuff in world vs world.  you cant spam buffs or have 100 buffs on at once or something.

the thing i wanna see the most in the game is someone raging after they spent 200$ and still cant "win" pvp

someone blindly arguing a point that has no foundation (sticking fingers in ears, closing eyes, and blow raspberries) You can't logically reason with someone who refuses to see logic and continues to allow themselves to be blinded by their hatred to cash shops.

 

The cash shop does not offer anything that can not be purchased with in game currency!!!! Those who play a lot will have more of an advantage over those who spend money because the exchange in which you get gold for gems is based on supply of gold and demand.  GOLD is the most valued currency not GEMS.

 

I'm a full time gamer and I'm extremely passionate about video games and the video game market.  When ALLODS put in a FORCED cash shop = a true pay 2 win, not some absurd excuse most here are trying to put on GW2, I boycotted Gpotato because they were forcing everyone to purchase a cash shop item for EVERY DEATH.  Now the game is truly a pay 2 win giving you upgrades to your armor and weapons via cash shop only.  GUILD WARS 2 Does not have this at all period.

I've boycott games before because of the greedy tactics they push with their cash shops but I do not blindly ignorantly push an idea on uneducated bias hatred for "Cash shops" entirely.  Infact I welcome a model that does it correctly.

 

I plan on putting in a full time schedule, similar to a full time work week in Structured PvP in an E-Sport PVP group.  I can be happy that no matter what My group will feel no disadvantage against ANYONE who puts $200-$1000 in the cash shop hell they could spend $1mill dollars in GW2 cash shop and they still will not have an advantage worth spitting at over my team.  SKILL will be the only factor period.  If you beat us it'll be because your better not because you used the cash shop to upgrade your armor or weapons or gained a boost that could be increased to a point where we couldn't damage you....

 

and for gods sake how hard is it to get it thru ones mind that GW2 has WvW not RvR...

 

I swear I wish I could pay for an higher iq and some rl skills that make me unbeatable in this game. The sad thing about pve is no one can do nothing to ruin your experience. Scaling down does that itself. WvWvW has been stressed enough, it's matched and stuff found in pve is majority cosmetic and you won't find leet ish in the chest. Pvp maybe? Hell no lol.

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P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)

Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.

  Distopia

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4/07/12 5:36:01 PM#76
Originally posted by Zzad

Keys to unlock those chests also drop in game.

Link to that info?

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  RizelStar

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4/07/12 5:36:44 PM#77
Originally posted by romanator0
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by gainesvilleg
Originally posted by dagon3

We need to just get rid of free to play all together go back to the way it was , pay your 50 cents a day for your monthly sub , then all this bullshit talk and arguing will be over with .

Good ole pay and play !

Anyone else agree ?

I actually 100% agree.  And I would be willing to up the subscription to $50 a month for a truly worthy game.  The very crass cash shop mechanics just need to go, along with the pay2win.

 

I agree, I am amazed people seem to think that Anet have created their system to discourage people from buying things, the truth will out.

Yeah, 'cause wanting people to buy things is sooooo money-grubbing and greedy.

 

What's said is they don't literally need people to buy the stuff, it's just there for some extra but not needed convience.

I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.

I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.

P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)

Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.

  Eir_S

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4/07/12 5:38:28 PM#78
Originally posted by Banisco

That GW2 fanboys dont understand that those chests are full of win! once you open one you become lvl 200 with all the skills of all the profesions and you can triple wield all the weapons.

I know, I can't wait to overpower my enemies with mystic chest contents like +10 Pauldrons of P2W.  The carnage will be glorious!

  VanadromArda

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4/07/12 5:38:49 PM#79

Notice the thread started hasn't posted.

People always start threads like this on the weekend. Spark a stupid statement, then grab some popcorn.

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  Eir_S

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GW2 socialist.

4/07/12 5:39:35 PM#80
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Zzad

Keys to unlock those chests also drop in game.

Link to that info?

Didn't they say everything in the CS will be available through time played in-game?

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