Originally posted by terrant

OK, let's go over a couple things. First off, love is love. If you love someone, and you're both intelligent enough to understand what you are doing and the consequences, and both willing and able to accept whatever those may be, why the hell not have sex?

Pretty much the only argument I'm seeing here is the same one that pedophiles use, with at least one of the debaters admitting to fucking 17 year olds when he was in his mid twenties because the law in his state allowed it.

"Anyway, let's throw that aisde. You're assuming sex is involved. A person can be arrested for statutory in the US if they commit any action which is viewed by the public as indecent due to the age difference. A kiss, possibly even holding hands, can be bad enough. Especially if the minor's parents protest."

In order to be arrested for statutory you need to be having a relationship with a minor, an out and out minor, where you are into dealing with their parents FFS. That isn't some niggly little thing buddy.

"And the peeing scenario...are you seriously gonna tell me that, at some point in your life, you've NEVER done something that stupid? The point is it's the kind of idiocy that happens sometimes..but because of the current law, a guy caught using some bushes for a toilet is considered by society just as morally reprehensible as someone who sodomizes a newborn. "

What I got from that example is that on top of fucking teens as young as he can possibly get away with, he gets wasted and pisses in public like an animal without understanding what the big problem society has with him is. Urination and defecation in public is pretty serious, digusting, etc on top of... you guessed it, exposing yourself in public. With that said their punishment is not the same as the one for the person who would sodomize a minor. That is just bullshit and you know it.

"Scuse the graphic-ness of that statement, but it has to be said just that harshly so you understand. Megan's law and other policies like it see absolutely no difference between a child rapist, someone dating a girl a week younger than him, and a guy who got drunk and chose the wrong place to relieve himself."

Yes it does. This is what you don't actually realize. Generally when you are talking about 18 and 17, it is very rarely persued. 20+ fucking kids as young as they can technically get by in the state will have a different story. Sodomizing children results in jail time. Defecating/urinating in public, and naturally exposing your crapping/pissing ass to everyone will get you slapped with a fine and possibly some time, but not nearly as much as worse offenses.

"What's more, once you're on these lists you're required to tell your employers, register with the police when you move, etc...meaning it can make it difficult for you to get a job or be a normal part of society. "

Pro-tip: Don't shit or piss in public, don't expose your genitals to the public, and pursue relationships with people your own age. Most people, the vast majority, don't have any problems with this.

Originally posted by Rednecksith

It's a good step, but if only they could go further. Maybe we could have a big, secure building made where all the dangerous pedophiles, sexual predators, and rapists go when they're caught, so they can't harm innocent people. We could call it a...hmmm.... piston? No... prism? Meh, not qute there... PRISON!! We could call it a prison!

So anyone convicted of one of those horrible crimes could spend the rest of their lives in one of these 'prisons'. Of course, it would be costly for taxpayers to keep feeding & housing them, so maybe they could be forced to do something productive, like fix the roads? There we go, road construction is expensive! We'll just send them out from time to time under heavy guard to perform manual labor. We could even chain a bunch of them together in gangs, a 'chain gang', if you will, to deter escape attempts.

I know, keeping dangerous people in a 'prison' is kind of a radical concept, but I think it's the right way to go in the end. That way we don't have draconian policies & laws which punish some poor bloke for taking a whizz in an alley at 2AM, and society as a whole can breathe a bit easier knowing that it's just a little bit safer from criminals. And hey, who doesn't like less taxes due to inexpensive labor?

But that would be smart. This is America. We don't do smart in America.

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by DarkPony

Hmm, good or bad depends on your definition of "sex offender".

Looking how anal (no pun intended) sex offenses can be in the US I don't think this is such a great idea. Not sure about this but I once read an article about a 21ish year old guy having a normal relationship with a 17 year old girl and that making him a sex offender as well. I think that is slightly draconic, but whatever ...

They should only restrict this to the actual "predators", who have been convicted for stalking and trying to groom minors (or worse).

um, yeah a 21 year old with a 17yr old is considered rape.   and the 21yr old would be considered, and is a predator.   the 17yr is a minor.

whoever considers this a rape or predator (even if the 2 people are engaged as couple) has much less voice and vote that the girls family. If they parents accept, no law should get in the way unless the man is an actual trouble maker / sex offender / etc...

But i guess US laws are just like that where everyone is a sex offender by engaging with a 17yr person, while the real bad guys are out there like nothing happened

Originally posted by GMan3

Originally posted by Starpower

Considering what it takes to be a registered sex offender this is pretty stupid. If you were caught by a cop, getting a bj from your girlfriend behind some bushes in a park a late evening then you become a registered sex offender. That's just one out of many ways one can get on that list. Not every sex offender is a child predator

    Something tells me you know exactly how false this statement is, so I will leave it at that.  As for the OP, I do not have a problem with the state doing this.  Unfortunately, it is so easy to work around that it will basically be useless and almost impossible to enforce except after the fact of a predator getting caught again.

Actually this statement is accurate. Not all offenses are predatory in nature or involve pedophillia. And in some states perversion laws would qualify one for a sex offender status, especially if leveraged by a sentencing request. There was a teenage girl who was convicted of a sexual offense because she sent her nude picture to her also underage boyfriend.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Ever wonder why its sex offenders that were singled out first for this obvious invasion of civil liberties?

Originally posted by Rednecksith

It's a good step, but if only they could go further. Maybe we could have a big, secure building made where all the dangerous pedophiles, sexual predators, and rapists go when they're caught, so they can't harm innocent people. We could call it a...hmmm.... piston? No... prism? Meh, not qute there... PRISON!! We could call it a prison!

So anyone convicted of one of those horrible crimes could spend the rest of their lives in one of these 'prisons'. Of course, it would be costly for taxpayers to keep feeding & housing them, so maybe they could be forced to do something productive, like fix the roads? There we go, road construction is expensive! We'll just send them out from time to time under heavy guard to perform manual labor. We could even chain a bunch of them together in gangs, a 'chain gang', if you will, to deter escape attempts.

I know, keeping dangerous people in a 'prison' is kind of a radical concept, but I think it's the right way to go in the end. That way we don't have draconian policies & laws which punish some poor bloke for taking a whizz in an alley at 2AM, and society as a whole can breathe a bit easier knowing that it's just a little bit safer from criminals. And hey, who doesn't like less taxes due to inexpensive labor?

Well, after I went and defended people accused of statutory rape and indecent exposure....

Personally, screw my tax dollars going to give some child rapists three meals a day and a roof over their heads when I have to fight to keep those myself. The worst of the worst, the REAL rapists and predators? Hang em. Cause it's cheaper than bullets.

Originally posted by terrant

Personally, screw my tax dollars going to give some child rapists three meals a day and a roof over their heads when I have to fight to keep those myself. The worst of the worst, the REAL rapists and predators? Hang em. Cause it's cheaper than bullets.

If the government start doing this with all serious criminals the country would be a lot safer. I would love to see this. Criminals dont care about human rights, so why the government have to give them their rights after raping a child or killing a person? .... something smells fishy here

Originally posted by Gazenthia

In order to be arrested for statutory you need to be having a relationship with a minor, an out and out minor, where you are into dealing with their parents FFS. That isn't some niggly little thing buddy.

No, you don't. In many states, you have to be accused of sexual abuse, not intercourse. Which is a LOT more open to interpretation. And again, if I turn 18 tomorrow and she's still 17, by the law, in many states, it's now rape. This obviously varies from state to state, but it IS possible. 

What I got from that example is that on top of fucking teens as young as he can possibly get away with, he gets wasted and pisses in public like an animal without understanding what the big problem society has with him is. Urination and defecation in public is pretty serious, digusting, etc on top of... you guessed it, exposing yourself in public. With that said their punishment is not the same as the one for the person who would sodomize a minor. That is just bullshit and you know it.

 

The actual criminal punishment for the act is different, yes. Here's the problem. Where Megan's law or any variation thereof is upheld, anyone convicted of a sexual-based offense is required to register themselves as such. In some cases, for life. And this involves ANY sexual based offense. Including public indecency or feelng up your girlfriend one week too late. Megan's law and similar policies do not discriminate here. If you're forced to register, it can affect where you live, whether you can get a job...even though you were "punished" for your crime years ago, paid, and lived a good life since.

And yes, I agree public indecency is wrong, but there are levels of distinction between it and raping a child, don't you think?

 

Yes it does. This is what you don't actually realize. Generally when you are talking about 18 and 17, it is very rarely persued. 20+ fucking kids as young as they can technically get by in the state will have a different story. Sodomizing children results in jail time. Defecating/urinating in public, and naturally exposing your crapping/pissing ass to everyone will get you slapped with a fine and possibly some time, but not nearly as much as worse offenses.

Read above about Megan's law. The REAL punushment comes years after you "paid" for your crime. 

 

Pro-tip: Don't shit or piss in public, don't expose your genitals to the public, and pursue relationships with people your own age. Most people, the vast majority, don't have any problems with this.

Pro-tip: Don't destroy someone's life over an innocent act of stupid that harmed no one, or over an honest relationship between two mature consenting persons. Yes my examples are on the extreme end, but only because the law is so black-and-white and isn't separating degrees of crime fairly. In order to be "tough" on the harshest offenders, people guility of FAR lesser sins pay just as greatly.

Originally posted by Kalimni
something I haven't seen mentioned: the article states that about 3500 sex offenders will be banned..... That is certainly not all the sex offenders in NY. That probably wouldn't cover all the sex offenders in Albany. So it sounds to me as if they are taking the specific crime into account.

Possibly. What's odd though is that like I said in a previous post, in 2009 they did the same for social networks, and deleted Facebook and Myspace accounts for offenders.  The number was around 3500. 

Regardless, it's time and money wasted.  Things like this are not enforcable.  No one is going to stop them from going to an internet cafe and making a new account, or going to a friend's house and using their Xbox.

Originally posted by Kalimni
something I haven't seen mentioned: the article states that about 3500 sex offenders will be banned..... That is certainly not all the sex offenders in NY. That probably wouldn't cover all the sex offenders in Albany. So it sounds to me as if they are taking the specific crime into account.

True, but my (sarcastically made) point earlier was that truly dangerous sex offenders (ones worth banning from online games) shouldn't be out running around in the first place. They should either be fried up extra crispy by Ol' Sparky, or spend the rest of their lives as a cheap labor force so we at least get some use out of their continued existence.

And I think some people did bring your point up earlier, but I'm not sure. I just skimmed everything up to the last page, heh.

Technically there needs to be more distinction in Sex offender classifications.

Personally imo any adult ( 21+) that engages in sex with anyone 16 or younger should warrant the death penalty.

Anyone who engages in sex with anyone against thier will should warrant the death penalty.

But then I think their are many crimes that deserve the death penalty.

All these corrupt executives, bankers, wall street types, politicians, should be put to death and have every penny taken from thier estates and given back to thier victims.

Any of these facist teachers, teaching marxist retoric and anti-american sentiment should be convicted as the traitors they are and put to death. We've convicted people of treason and excuted them for less that most teachers say and do now.

Frankly if we made the penalty death, most of these wrongs would stop, but as long as we pussy foot around and even if we do convict someone we just send them to a federal country club with swimming pools and golf courses.

Originally posted by Sorrow

Technically there needs to be more distinction in Sex offender classifications.

 

Personally imo any adult ( 21+) that engages in sex with anyone 16 or younger should warrant the death penalty.

Anyone who engages in sex with anyone against thier will should warrant the death penalty.

But then I think their are many crimes that deserve the death penalty.

All these corrupt executives, bankers, wall street types, politicians, should be put to death and have every penny taken from thier estates and given back to thier victims.

Any of these facist teachers, teaching marxist retoric and anti-american sentiment should be convicted as the traitors they are and put to death. We've convicted people of treason and excuted them for less that most teachers say and do now.

 

Frankly if we made the penalty death, most of these wrongs would stop, but as long as we pussy foot around and even if we do convict someone we just send them to a federal country club with swimming pools and golf courses.

Wow. You just...dive right into the deep end. Wow.

Just a side note about that Anti-American rhetoric...last I looked, our founding fathers wanted us to question authoirty when we didn't think it was doing the right thing, and fight for our right to speak our beliefs without persecution from the government. Just wondering who's really anti-American here.

Totally with you on rapists and corrupt types though.

     Its not jsut online gaming thats the problem, its sites like facebook where these young people are posting pictures of themsleves (often scantilly clad), without knowing the majority of the people that are going to see them.......From my understanding way more are lured through social networking sites than through gaming......

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Originally posted by Rednecksith

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Originally posted by Kalimni
something I haven't seen mentioned: the article states that about 3500 sex offenders will be banned..... That is certainly not all the sex offenders in NY. That probably wouldn't cover all the sex offenders in Albany. So it sounds to me as if they are taking the specific crime into account.

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True, but my (sarcastically made) point earlier was that truly dangerous sex offenders (ones worth banning from online games) shouldn't be out running around in the first place. They should either be fried up extra crispy by Ol' Sparky, or spend the rest of their lives as a cheap labor force so we at least get some use out of their continued existence.
And I think some people did bring your point up earlier, but I'm not sure. I just skimmed everything up to the last page, heh.

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also agree with the other poster about the death penalty for rapists and such. Not for the teachers though (assuming public school) they should just have licence revoked, and forfeit all retirement. If its a private uni or something, then they can basically teach whatever the school lets them.

Originally posted by Sorrow

Technically there needs to be more distinction in Sex offender classifications.

 

Personally imo any adult ( 21+) that engages in sex with anyone 16 or younger should warrant the death penalty.

Anyone who engages in sex with anyone against thier will should warrant the death penalty.

But then I think their are many crimes that deserve the death penalty.

All these corrupt executives, bankers, wall street types, politicians, should be put to death and have every penny taken from thier estates and given back to thier victims.

Any of these facist teachers, teaching marxist retoric and anti-american sentiment should be convicted as the traitors they are and put to death. We've convicted people of treason and excuted them for less that most teachers say and do now.

 

Frankly if we made the penalty death, most of these wrongs would stop, but as long as we pussy foot around and even if we do convict someone we just send them to a federal country club with swimming pools and golf courses.

Wow.  That's beyond stupid.  

Originally posted by terrant

Originally posted by Sorrow

Technically there needs to be more distinction in Sex offender classifications.

 

Personally imo any adult ( 21+) that engages in sex with anyone 16 or younger should warrant the death penalty.

Anyone who engages in sex with anyone against thier will should warrant the death penalty.

But then I think their are many crimes that deserve the death penalty.

All these corrupt executives, bankers, wall street types, politicians, should be put to death and have every penny taken from thier estates and given back to thier victims.

Any of these facist teachers, teaching marxist retoric and anti-american sentiment should be convicted as the traitors they are and put to death. We've convicted people of treason and excuted them for less that most teachers say and do now.

 

Frankly if we made the penalty death, most of these wrongs would stop, but as long as we pussy foot around and even if we do convict someone we just send them to a federal country club with swimming pools and golf courses.

Wow. You just...dive right into the deep end. Wow.

 

Just a side note about that Anti-American rhetoric...last I looked, our founding fathers wanted us to question authoirty when we didn't think it was doing the right thing, and fight for our right to speak our beliefs without persecution from the government. Just wondering who's really anti-American here.

 

Totally with you on rapists and corrupt types though.

I am not saying for a second that it is not ok to question, or that it is not ok to disagree. I am a firm believer in I may not agree with what you say, but I will die for your right to say it. 

However, teachers as teachers have a resposibility as teachers,  I do not mind if they put all the information out there and unbiasedly let the kids decided for themselves, but sadly these days most teachers have this agenda that is so far to the left as to be blatantly treasonous.  You can not have teachers intentionally poisoning the minds of entire generations against the entire concept of freedom and democracy, it is having a terrible effect and needs to end.

Great. Now if they would just ban them from holding political or religious office or the U.N.

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Originally posted by Sorrow

Technically there needs to be more distinction in Sex offender classifications.

 

Personally imo any adult ( 21+) that engages in sex with anyone 16 or younger should warrant the death penalty.

Anyone who engages in sex with anyone against thier will should warrant the death penalty.

But then I think their are many crimes that deserve the death penalty.

All these corrupt executives, bankers, wall street types, politicians, should be put to death and have every penny taken from thier estates and given back to thier victims.

Any of these facist teachers, teaching marxist retoric and anti-american sentiment should be convicted as the traitors they are and put to death. We've convicted people of treason and excuted them for less that most teachers say and do now.

 

Frankly if we made the penalty death, most of these wrongs would stop, but as long as we pussy foot around and even if we do convict someone we just send them to a federal country club with swimming pools and golf courses.

 

Wow.  That's beyond stupid.  

 

 

Caause having sex with kids is ok? Or you don't deem the offense heinous enough to warrant death?

Originally posted by Theocritus

     Its not jsut online gaming thats the problem, its sites like facebook where these young people are posting pictures of themsleves (often scantilly clad), without knowing the majority of the people that are going to see them.......From my understanding way more are lured through social networking sites than through gaming......

Social media sites were all developed by corrupt government entities wanting to compile as much information on each of us as they possibly could and most of us stupidly put every aspect of every part of our lives out there in one form or another.

Just saying...

just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you...

Originally posted by Sorrow

I am not saying for a second that it is not ok to question, or that it is not ok to disagree. I am a firm believer in I may not agree with what you say, but I will die for your right to say it. 

However, teachers as teachers have a resposibility as teachers,  I do not mind if they put all the information out there and unbiasedly let the kids decided for themselves, but sadly these days most teachers have this agenda that is so far to the left as to be blatantly treasonous.  You can not have teachers intentionally poisoning the minds of entire generations against the entire concept of freedom and democracy, it is having a terrible effect and needs to end.

I think that's fairly biased and inaccurate itself..and even for those teacher out there that go WAY too far left, there's many that go WAY too far right. And are just as "treasonous" as you put it. As someone that tries to remain well centered, both sides fill me with amusement and dread. I'll agree to presenting all sides of an argument as best you can and letting the kids make a rational decision though. Maybe part of the reason we have people growing up unable to make decent choices is no one lets them try while they're young.