Originally posted by GMan3

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by DarkPony

Hmm, good or bad depends on your definition of "sex offender".

Looking how anal (no pun intended) sex offenses can be in the US I don't think this is such a great idea. Not sure about this but I once read an article about a 21ish year old guy having a normal relationship with a 17 year old girl and that making him a sex offender as well. I think that is slightly draconic, but whatever ...

They should only restrict this to the actual "predators", who have been convicted for stalking and trying to groom minors (or worse).

um, yeah a 21 year old with a 17yr old is considered rape.   and the 21yr old would be considered, and is a predator.   the 17yr is a minor.

Exactly, stuff like that. The girl probably is his senior in mental age anyway but the guy can never play online games again because of them having a relationship ... That's kind of crazy in my eyes. Where's the law separating people like that from the actual predators who are actually convicted for online grooming of minors? 

    First off, age of legal consent varies according to which state you are in.  Most states seem to have set it at 18, but some states still allow 14 year olds to marry. 

    The thing is, where do you set the standard?  When is a child old enough to make "adult" decisions?  When are they old enough to make these decisions without caving to "pressure" of some sort? 

    The funny this is, I can remember thinking how grown up I was at 16 and yet by the age of 20 I realised I was an idiot kid that made way more than my fair share of immature decisions in my later teenage years.  Even funnier is that every adult old enough, and mature enough, to laugh at themselves has told me the exact same thing.

    So like I said earlier, I have no problem with this law other than it is basically a useless law since it will not be enforceable.

To me a scaled standard makes much more sense. I.e. it's perfectly fine for a 16 year old to have a relationship with an 18 year old, a 17 yo with a 20 year old, etc. But yeah, I agree there should be a limit somewhere.

Anyway, having a relationship with someone roughly in your own age group and with mutual consent is a very different thing than people stalking / grooming / trying to prey on minors online or in real life. The first group I'd call lovers, the latter sick f*cks.

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by DarkPony

Hmm, good or bad depends on your definition of "sex offender".

Looking how anal (no pun intended) sex offenses can be in the US I don't think this is such a great idea. Not sure about this but I once read an article about a 21ish year old guy having a normal relationship with a 17 year old girl and that making him a sex offender as well. I think that is slightly draconic, but whatever ...

They should only restrict this to the actual "predators", who have been convicted for stalking and trying to groom minors (or worse).

um, yeah a 21 year old with a 17yr old is considered rape.   and the 21yr old would be considered, and is a predator.   the 17yr is a minor.

 

this is true in the US? Or does it depend on state?

wow, didnt know that. In the UK this would be perfectally legal.

yes 18 is legal adult age. 

 

Same as here, though the age of sexual consent is 16.

+ 1

 

Age of sexual consent is diffrent from legal adult age in many countries. Heck even in some (just in some though) states in USA is lower than legal adult age.

In some countries it is even taken far.  For example age of sexual consent depends on what age second peerson you have sex is.

Cause it is uterrly (imho) stupid for in example 18 year old go to prison & punished for having sex with other person which is for example 16-17 year old.

 

In some countries it is done like for example:

- legal age - 18

- general age of sexual consent - 16 (but under more law protection till 18 , ie law is sticter towards predator if some problem arise)

BUT 

- age of sexual consent can be f.e 15 if second person is 17-18 ,etc 

 

Law obviosuly have to give boundaries but at same time it have to be sane. Cause punishing very severely one person of sleeping with "minor" when diffrence between them is like 1-3 years is dumb in first place. 

 

End of rant.

 

 

you may think it's dumb but as a parent i would not want my 15yr old daughter having relations with an 18yr old.  and i would press charges and send his child molesting ass to jail.

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by GMan3

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by DarkPony

Hmm, good or bad depends on your definition of "sex offender".

Looking how anal (no pun intended) sex offenses can be in the US I don't think this is such a great idea. Not sure about this but I once read an article about a 21ish year old guy having a normal relationship with a 17 year old girl and that making him a sex offender as well. I think that is slightly draconic, but whatever ...

They should only restrict this to the actual "predators", who have been convicted for stalking and trying to groom minors (or worse).

um, yeah a 21 year old with a 17yr old is considered rape.   and the 21yr old would be considered, and is a predator.   the 17yr is a minor.

Exactly, stuff like that. The girl probably is his senior in mental age anyway but the guy can never play online games again because of them having a relationship ... That's kind of crazy in my eyes. Where's the law separating people like that from the actual predators who are actually convicted for online grooming of minors? 

    First off, age of legal consent varies according to which state you are in.  Most states seem to have set it at 18, but some states still allow 14 year olds to marry. 

    The thing is, where do you set the standard?  When is a child old enough to make "adult" decisions?  When are they old enough to make these decisions without caving to "pressure" of some sort? 

    The funny this is, I can remember thinking how grown up I was at 16 and yet by the age of 20 I realised I was an idiot kid that made way more than my fair share of immature decisions in my later teenage years.  Even funnier is that every adult old enough, and mature enough, to laugh at themselves has told me the exact same thing.

    So like I said earlier, I have no problem with this law other than it is basically a useless law since it will not be enforceable.

To me a scaled standard makes much more sense. I.e. it's perfectly fine for a 16 year old to have a relationship with an 18 year old, a 17 yo with a 20 year old, etc. But yeah, I agree there should be a limit somewhere.

Anyway, having a relationship with someone roughly in your own age group and with mutual consent is a very different thing than people stalking / grooming / trying to prey on minors online or in real life. The first group I'd call lovers, the latter sick f*cks.

Agree with 'scaled standard' thing.

I don't remember which but I remember some scandinavian country had a law like that.

And yeah sure there have to be a absolute limit somewhere. I guess 15-16 is good abolute limit in 'scaled standard law thing'

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by GMan3

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by DarkPony

Hmm, good or bad depends on your definition of "sex offender".

Looking how anal (no pun intended) sex offenses can be in the US I don't think this is such a great idea. Not sure about this but I once read an article about a 21ish year old guy having a normal relationship with a 17 year old girl and that making him a sex offender as well. I think that is slightly draconic, but whatever ...

They should only restrict this to the actual "predators", who have been convicted for stalking and trying to groom minors (or worse).

um, yeah a 21 year old with a 17yr old is considered rape.   and the 21yr old would be considered, and is a predator.   the 17yr is a minor.

Exactly, stuff like that. The girl probably is his senior in mental age anyway but the guy can never play online games again because of them having a relationship ... That's kind of crazy in my eyes. Where's the law separating people like that from the actual predators who are actually convicted for online grooming of minors? 

    First off, age of legal consent varies according to which state you are in.  Most states seem to have set it at 18, but some states still allow 14 year olds to marry. 

    The thing is, where do you set the standard?  When is a child old enough to make "adult" decisions?  When are they old enough to make these decisions without caving to "pressure" of some sort? 

    The funny this is, I can remember thinking how grown up I was at 16 and yet by the age of 20 I realised I was an idiot kid that made way more than my fair share of immature decisions in my later teenage years.  Even funnier is that every adult old enough, and mature enough, to laugh at themselves has told me the exact same thing.

    So like I said earlier, I have no problem with this law other than it is basically a useless law since it will not be enforceable.

To me a scaled standard makes much more sense. I.e. it's perfectly fine for a 16 year old to have a relationship with an 18 year old, a 17 yo with a 20 year old, etc. But yeah, I agree there should be a limit somewhere.

Anyway, having a relationship with someone roughly in your own age group and with mutual consent is a very different thing than people stalking / grooming / trying to prey on minors online or in real life. The first group I'd call lovers, the latter sick f*cks.

Agree with 'scaled standard' thing.

I don't remember which but I remember some scandinavian country had a law like that.

And yeah sure there have to be a absolute limit somewhere. I guess 15-16 is good abolute limit in 'scaled standard law thing'

This is kinda crazy, there are a lot of things stupid about the sex offender laws, in michigan public urination can be a Sex offense and make you register as a sex offender

what bothers me the most is what happened to "do the crime pay the time"  you are punished you get sentanced to 5 years you get out and you find that you pretty much still being punished in every way

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by DarkPony

Hmm, good or bad depends on your definition of "sex offender".

Looking how anal (no pun intended) sex offenses can be in the US I don't think this is such a great idea. Not sure about this but I once read an article about a 21ish year old guy having a normal relationship with a 17 year old girl and that making him a sex offender as well. I think that is slightly draconic, but whatever ...

They should only restrict this to the actual "predators", who have been convicted for stalking and trying to groom minors (or worse).

um, yeah a 21 year old with a 17yr old is considered rape.   and the 21yr old would be considered, and is a predator.   the 17yr is a minor.

 

this is true in the US? Or does it depend on state?

wow, didnt know that. In the UK this would be perfectally legal.

yes 18 is legal adult age. 

 

Same as here, though the age of sexual consent is 16.

+ 1

 

Age of sexual consent is diffrent from legal adult age in many countries. Heck even in some (just in some though) states in USA is lower than legal adult age.

In some countries it is even taken far.  For example age of sexual consent depends on what age second peerson you have sex is.

Cause it is uterrly (imho) stupid for in example 18 year old go to prison & punished for having sex with other person which is for example 16-17 year old.

 

In some countries it is done like for example:

- legal age - 18

- general age of sexual consent - 16 (but under more law protection till 18 , ie law is sticter towards predator if some problem arise)

BUT 

- age of sexual consent can be f.e 15 if second person is 17-18 ,etc 

 

Law obviosuly have to give boundaries but at same time it have to be sane. Cause punishing very severely one person of sleeping with "minor" when diffrence between them is like 1-3 years is dumb in first place. 

 

End of rant.

 

 

you may think it's dumb but as a parent i would not want my 15yr old daughter having relations with an 18yr old.  and i would press charges and send his child molesting ass to jail.

you would be fine if your daugher had relationship with 17 year old though?

what about if you had 15 year old boy which had 18 year old girlfriend? what if he had 17 year old girlfriend

what about when your girl will have 17 year old? will then relation ship with 18 year old be ok?

anyway - this is not forum for those discussions imho - so this will be my last post 

One more thing - don't expect law to make parenting job for you. 

If you raise your children good enough then they will not have full sex when they are 15 or at least they will talk about you that they want to and at least you will know it / have infuence to post-phone it or make that they are absolutely sure about it.

Besides I find it funny when people consider 18 year old grown adult when 15-17 year old is "child" lol  like this 1-3 years of diffrence made such huge diffrence between people at that age. 

I can find you tons of 16-year old more mature both psychically and mentally than 18 year old.

Anyway - law should be just a help and set logical boundaries and should be scalable in this particular case.

16 and 18 can be just boyfriend and girffriend and just simply in love , while 15 year old and for example 30 or 40 year old well almost never 

Anyway last post of mine  - not a place imho to have conversation about law system.

related article from 2009

Sex laws
Unjust and ineffective
America has pioneered the harsh punishment of sex offenders. Does it work?

http://www.economist.com/node/14164614?story_id=14164614&source=hptextfeature

A report by Sarah Tofte of Human Rights Watch, a pressure group, found that at least five states required men to register if they were caught visiting prostitutes. At least 13 required it for urinating in public (in two of which, only if a child was present). No fewer than 29 states required registration for teenagers who had consensual sex with another teenager. And 32 states registered flashers and streakers.

Originally posted by st4t1ck

*snipage*

This is kinda crazy, there are a lot of things stupid about the sex offender laws, in michigan public urination can be a Sex offense and make you register as a sex offender

what bothers me the most is what happened to "do the crime pay the time"  you are punished you get sentanced to 5 years you get out and you find that you pretty much still being punished in every way

Lol ... seriously?

"That'll be no more online gaming for you mister tree sprinkler!"

"Don't taze me bro ..."

"BZzzzzt"

Originally posted by Nadia

related article from 2009

Sex laws
Unjust and ineffective
America has pioneered the harsh punishment of sex offenders. Does it work?

http://www.economist.com/node/14164614?story_id=14164614&source=hptextfeature

A report by Sarah Tofte of Human Rights Watch, a pressure group, found that at least five states required men to register if they were caught visiting prostitutes. At least 13 required it for urinating in public (in two of which, only if a child was present). No fewer than 29 states required registration for teenagers who had consensual sex with another teenager. And 32 states registered flashers and streakers.

Ugh ... exactly what I meant. The gaming industry rolling along with that kind of populist, draconic (and frankly INSANE) lawmaking makes me want to file a complaint at Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and the UN too.

It's good to live in the good old EU when I read things like that.

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by DarkPony

Hmm, good or bad depends on your definition of "sex offender".

Looking how anal (no pun intended) sex offenses can be in the US I don't think this is such a great idea. Not sure about this but I once read an article about a 21ish year old guy having a normal relationship with a 17 year old girl and that making him a sex offender as well. I think that is slightly draconic, but whatever ...

They should only restrict this to the actual "predators", who have been convicted for stalking and trying to groom minors (or worse).

um, yeah a 21 year old with a 17yr old is considered rape.   and the 21yr old would be considered, and is a predator.   the 17yr is a minor.

 

this is true in the US? Or does it depend on state?

wow, didnt know that. In the UK this would be perfectally legal.

yes 18 is legal adult age. 

 

Same as here, though the age of sexual consent is 16.

+ 1

 

Age of sexual consent is diffrent from legal adult age in many countries. Heck even in some (just in some though) states in USA is lower than legal adult age.

In some countries it is even taken far.  For example age of sexual consent depends on what age second peerson you have sex is.

Cause it is uterrly (imho) stupid for in example 18 year old go to prison & punished for having sex with other person which is for example 16-17 year old.

 

In some countries it is done like for example:

- legal age - 18

- general age of sexual consent - 16 (but under more law protection till 18 , ie law is sticter towards predator if some problem arise)

BUT 

- age of sexual consent can be f.e 15 if second person is 17-18 ,etc 

 

Law obviosuly have to give boundaries but at same time it have to be sane. Cause punishing very severely one person of sleeping with "minor" when diffrence between them is like 1-3 years is dumb in first place. 

 

End of rant.

 

 

you may think it's dumb but as a parent i would not want my 15yr old daughter having relations with an 18yr old.  and i would press charges and send his child molesting ass to jail.

 Good luck with that, most states have a state limit, Ohio for example is just a misdemeanor(M1).  Secondly until your daughter is in that situation you really can't say that.  What if its your best friends son who is 2 1/2 years old than your daughter? Or vice versa.

Anyways the legal age of consent in most states is 16.  Meaning that 52 yearold person can go have sex with 16 yearold and nothing can be done about it if the 16 year old consented. (Yes I would not doubt deem that 52 yearold as a sick creep, but according to the law jack can be done about it.  Same thing if in Kentucky you decided to get married at 14 to so 50 year old sicko.  Oh well)

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2907.04

So instead of creepin on little kids from thousands of miles away; they will be doing something else to occupy their time... like visiting the local park.

Seems like a bill that's half-arsed and will ultimately do nothing but funnel the problem into another channel.  But that seems to be the M.O. of lawmaking today. It's not about passing smart legislature, it's about talking points for their next election cycle.  

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by brody71

Originally posted by DarkPony

Hmm, good or bad depends on your definition of "sex offender".

Looking how anal (no pun intended) sex offenses can be in the US I don't think this is such a great idea. Not sure about this but I once read an article about a 21ish year old guy having a normal relationship with a 17 year old girl and that making him a sex offender as well. I think that is slightly draconic, but whatever ...

They should only restrict this to the actual "predators", who have been convicted for stalking and trying to groom minors (or worse).

um, yeah a 21 year old with a 17yr old is considered rape.   and the 21yr old would be considered, and is a predator.   the 17yr is a minor.

 

this is true in the US? Or does it depend on state?

wow, didnt know that. In the UK this would be perfectally legal.

yes 18 is legal adult age. 

 

Same as here, though the age of sexual consent is 16.

+ 1

 

Age of sexual consent is diffrent from legal adult age in many countries. Heck even in some (just in some though) states in USA is lower than legal adult age.

In some countries it is even taken far.  For example age of sexual consent depends on what age second peerson you have sex is.

Cause it is uterrly (imho) stupid for in example 18 year old go to prison & punished for having sex with other person which is for example 16-17 year old.

 

In some countries it is done like for example:

- legal age - 18

- general age of sexual consent - 16 (but under more law protection till 18 , ie law is sticter towards predator if some problem arise)

BUT 

- age of sexual consent can be f.e 15 if second person is 17-18 ,etc 

 

Law obviosuly have to give boundaries but at same time it have to be sane. Cause punishing very severely one person of sleeping with "minor" when diffrence between them is like 1-3 years is dumb in first place. 

 

End of rant.

 

 

you may think it's dumb but as a parent i would not want my 15yr old daughter having relations with an 18yr old.  and i would press charges and send his child molesting ass to jail.

You're right. I do think it's dumb.  Handle your daughter instead of ruining some 18yr old kids life.

I did a google on sex offenders by county in NY State - the total is 33,797.  link: http://criminaljustice.state.ny.us/nsor/stats_by_county.htm.   So apparently they removed 1/10th of all sexual offenders in NY State.

Originally posted by Draemos

So instead of creepin on little kids from thousands of miles away; they will be doing something else to occupy their time... like visiting the local park.

Seems like a bill that's half-arsed and will ultimately do nothing but funnel the problem into another channel.  But that seems to be the M.O. of lawmaking today. It's not about passing smart legislature, it's about talking points for their next election cycle.  

One of the triggers for doing this was a 19 year old using x-box live to lure a 12 year old to his near by residence.  There is a growing problem here in New York, and sadly it is not just in the city but the rest of the State.

Originally posted by Draemos

Originally posted by brody71

 

you may think it's dumb but as a parent i would not want my 15yr old daughter having relations with an 18yr old.  and i would press charges and send his child molesting ass to jail.

You're right. I do think it's dumb.  Handle your daughter instead of ruining some 18yr old kids life.

Agreed.

Love doesn't care about age and an 18 yo and a 15 yo falling in love is simply natural. If you'd press charges over that chances are your daughter will run away as well, and for good reason.

Originally posted by ElderRat

I did a google on sex offenders by county in NY State - the total is 33,797.  link: http://criminaljustice.state.ny.us/nsor/stats_by_county.htm.   So apparently they removed 1/10th of all sexual offenders in NY State.

thank you for clarifying

 Great job! While I do agree with people that there is a major difference in a pedo and a 21 yr old having sex with a 17 yr old. Until they change it , I could care less. Keep your sh it in your pants, you know the law regardless of "love". I've been there, others have been there ... some how we managed to not get ourselves in trouble. Not playign online games should be the least of anyone's worries who is on a sex offender list regardless of the reason why.

Online games have had EULA's that allow them to ban anyone they feel like for a good decade now.  So the argument that this is just a means to ban anyone they want is stupid.

As for the the OP.  I think it's a good idea.  Online tools are generally how people pray on young girls, or sometimes boys.  It becomes much harder to pray in your own neighborhood.  I wish it would have limits other than sex offender though.  Such as specifying what t ypes of sex offenders.  Such as pedo' and rapists.

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by Draemos

Originally posted by brody71

 

you may think it's dumb but as a parent i would not want my 15yr old daughter having relations with an 18yr old.  and i would press charges and send his child molesting ass to jail.

You're right. I do think it's dumb.  Handle your daughter instead of ruining some 18yr old kids life.

Agreed.

Love doesn't care about age and an 18 yo and a 15 yo falling in love is simply natural. If you'd press charges over that chances are your daughter will run away as well, and for good reason.

Except that the 18 year old has the ability to act rationally enough that we consider the 18 year old an adult.  Where as the 15 year old is still going through puberty and is, most of the time, completely irrational.

Stupid IMO, Ban the predators that were convicted of an assault that was intitiated in an online enviroment, I didn't read if this is how they built the guildines for these new bans, but thats what they should be based.

Originally posted by DarkPony

Originally posted by st4t1ck

*snipage*

This is kinda crazy, there are a lot of things stupid about the sex offender laws, in michigan public urination can be a Sex offense and make you register as a sex offender

what bothers me the most is what happened to "do the crime pay the time"  you are punished you get sentanced to 5 years you get out and you find that you pretty much still being punished in every way

Lol ... seriously?

"That'll be no more online gaming for you mister tree sprinkler!"

"Don't taze me bro ..."

"BZzzzzt"

This is True in Arizona too, I live next to one of the more popular spring break spots and we have at least 2-5 collage kids heading home each spring break as sex offenders because they lets the jungle snake out to gold shower into the lake and someone was watching, its sad but true no one wants to see man meat or in a couple of instances beef curtains.

Just if you got to take a leak get in the water and do it where no one can see you.

oh this law is not in effect in the UK as I accidently urinated on a policeman one night coming home from the pub, teach him to walk up behind a guy taking a piss and ask him what he thinks he is doing.