Originally posted by Pelaaja

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

This does not sit well with the community on mmorpg.com, because many of the players here are MMO hipsters and snobs. 

If the mmorpg.com community is so appalling to you, why do you want to be part of it (us)? Hypocrisy much...

I haven't got past the fact that this game would've been awesome if BW had followed the SW:Jedi Academy instead of WoW in gameplay. They could've made it APB+Tera+KOTOR, but because their focus was on money they took too safe road and dribbled to a pebble (pebble being uninnovative bugridden mountain).

I hope this try dies out fast enough for the next contender to step up and give SW universe a chance.

Jedi Academy meets kotor for leveling / pve

starwars themed planetside for pvp

Xwing vs TieFighter for space pve/pvp

SWG for RP & crafting

Awesome

It's the perfect target for all ten sandbox MMO fans to take out their rage.

Originally posted by ShakyMo

Originally posted by Pelaaja

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

This does not sit well with the community on mmorpg.com, because many of the players here are MMO hipsters and snobs. 

If the mmorpg.com community is so appalling to you, why do you want to be part of it (us)? Hypocrisy much...

I haven't got past the fact that this game would've been awesome if BW had followed the SW:Jedi Academy instead of WoW in gameplay. They could've made it APB+Tera+KOTOR, but because their focus was on money they took too safe road and dribbled to a pebble (pebble being uninnovative bugridden mountain).

I hope this try dies out fast enough for the next contender to step up and give SW universe a chance.

Jedi Academy meets kotor for leveling / pve  $70 for two melded games

starwars themed planetside for pvp    $50

Xwing vs TieFighter for space pve/pvp  $50

SWG for RP & crafting   $50

Awesome=  $220+ $15 /month to maintain servers.  No wait... for all that... $25/month.

We accept credit cards.

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

It's the perfect target for all ten sandbox MMO fans to take out their rage.

    Oh come on now, there are more than 10 sandbox fans . . . 15 at least.

Originally posted by ShakyMo

Originally posted by Pelaaja

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

This does not sit well with the community on mmorpg.com, because many of the players here are MMO hipsters and snobs. 

If the mmorpg.com community is so appalling to you, why do you want to be part of it (us)? Hypocrisy much...

 

If this game is so appalling to you, why do you still feel the need to comment on it every chance you get?  Hypocrisy much?  

Originally posted by waynejr2

Originally posted by Robsolf

Originally posted by LadyNoh

Most people feel that SWTOR took their childhood dreams and wiped their ass with it. The hate usually comes from something not being up to their standard. people followed and got very excited about this game and when they got in they realized it wasnt that ground breaking at all. Quite the opposate really. My hate for the game is done which is why i havent been attacking it much lately. however if you start going though the posts on the forums you will noticed that attention is being shifted away from SWTOR hate and towards GW2 hate. Those who strongly support GW2 are suddenly on the defencive, same as SWTOR does. This is called the Path of a MMORPG. Haters VS Fanboys + People who enjoy the game but dont hit Fanboy levels. happens every time. nothing to be worried about.

 in the end it comes down to, if you enjoy the game play it. dont stop because a bunch of people on a forum tell you to. Playing by their example will only hurt you later.

Sounds about right to me, though the game did live up to my expectations.

There is some extra butt-hurt over the fact that the game does use an extremely popular IP, and so long as its alive, there will be no other serious SW MMO.  So if you don't like this one, there will be no more living in the SW universe for you...

So I can understand some of the frustration, having watched Star Trek, Champions, and soon Neverwinter Nights be developed into games that are often "meh", at best.  Folks who wanted to "live" in these IP's are doomed to a less than stellar experience, or none at all.

But, as I've said many times, why many make a career out of bashing it or any other game instead of just accepting that it's not for them and moving on, finding something they WOULD like, continues to elude me.

 

You can't forget the butt-sore swgers who will never grow up and just move on from their NGE hatred and who are putting on swtor.

lol NGE hatred projected onto TOR. I'm sure that's it.

Originally posted by GMan3

Originally posted by FrodoFragins

It's the perfect target for all ten sandbox MMO fans to take out their rage.

    Oh come on now, there are more than 10 sandbox fans . . . 15 at least.

good thing you guys have those 15. They are the Reds to your Blue. They give you guys something to oppose.

Originally posted by waynejr2

Originally posted by Robsolf

 

 

You can't forget the butt-sore swgers who will never grow up and just move on from their NGE hatred and who are putting on swtor.

This is basically the problem, plus the 30% of the community here who just bitch about anything.   Did all these "Star Wars" Fans ever watch any of the movies or play any of the Old Republc games?  I don't remember Han Solo dancing in a lot of cantinas or Annakin going out into the wilderness to build  a house for himself.  The game is exactly what any reasonable person should have expected - a Knights of the Old Republic game, with lots of multiplayer elments... oh yeah, and it's got tunnel shooter gameplay, which KOTR didn't have... so let's bitch about it because it's not X-Wing vs Tie Fighter.

If they closed down your SWG, because it wasn't making enough money, you should have got your friends to play it. 

this piece of garbage is nothing like a kotor game, give me a break.

Originally posted by Elikal

Ok, I have to admit, I have strong feelings about SWTOR, negative one, and more than with any other MMO.

I have been a Star Wars fan for 25 years or so, so for me living in a Star Wars persistent online world was a dream since I was a kid. Now with the Bioware super stories and 100-300 million Dollars involved I expected it to be THE UBER MMO! And by all we know about MMOs and what works and what doesn't by all means it SHOULD have been the uber MMO. I like SWG a lot, it was the way best time I ever had in a MMO, and even though I liked a general themepark approach now, the fact SWTOR took NOTHING, not a single thing from SWG, and didn't make a themepark/sandbox mix, but the purest themepark ever, which even makes WOW look like a sandbox, angers me to no end. We have so much experience with MMOs in 2012, we know so many things, so many possible ways to make a MMO cool, and Bioware learned from NONE of them.

All these things make me considerably more angry about SWTOR and Bioware than any other game.

    Now let's be completely honest Elikal, you were a fan of this game with only VERY minor gripes right up until you found out that the game would not launch with homosexual relationships to go along with the heterosexual ones that were announced.  Then all the sudden you started bashing this game in almost every post and almost every thread you possibly could.

    SWG?  Seriously, you are surprised that BioWare did not follow the SWG model and design a game to go straight down the toilet?  SWG has been dead for years.  Finally pulling the plug on life support last year was just the final straw.  I actually am sorry that they did so.  I am not a fan of SWG, though I did try it during each of it's three phases, and would not play it since SOE owned and ran it, but I know that it did have a few thousand (maybe) fans and I feel bad that they lost something they were having fun with.  Trying to be nostalgic with this game though is idiocy since it was poorly designed / incomplete at release and almost completely redesigned twice after that, yet still had many of the same bugs five years after release that it had on release day.  Idiocy.

    Oh and I love how you go back to the PROVEN false claims of the game having a $300 million budget.  You of course know that was debunked a LONG time ago, but whatever supports your angst . . . right?

1) BioWare

2) 59.99

3) Star Wars

Originally posted by adam_nox

this piece of garbage is nothing like a kotor game, give me a break.

Nice contribution to the thread, as always.   Thanks for your pearls of wisdom.

Originally posted by TROLL_HARD

This game has way many more threads than you would think for a mediocre game launched back in December.

 

I went to the original Star Wars movie when it launched in the summer of 1977. Star Wars has been a part of our culture for 35 years. That's a long time  in relation to pop culture and media. 

 

In my opinion, this IP goes beyond Lucas Arts and EA's legal rights to it, in the public mind at least, if not legally. It has become a part of the popular culture.  A lot of people don't like what's been done to it and how it's been exploited. So people are responding to SWTOR as something beyond the genre of mmorpgs.

 

If this was just a shoddy game issue, people would be done with it by now and move on to other games to talk about. But that doesn't seem to be the case here.

 

Why do you think people are responding so strongly to SWTOR, either positively or negatively? How do you feel about the way Lucas Arts and EA have dealt with this IP?

It's not bad - if you like video games and some of the instancing in WoW.  But a lot of us felt SWG (pre screw up) was the real Star Wars game.  Just had more to it, you could build your own bases with turrets for god's sakes, and use your crafted droids to fight off the enemy as well hehe.  It was like Shadowbane but sci fi.  Real star WARS feel.

My opinion.  SWTOR lasted a week for me - I was bored silly.  Looking forward to GW2 though :) and for Sci Fi - Definitely Dominus (ex Mythic employee 3 faction sci fi game with NO MIRRORED CLASSES).  A real mmorpg.

Originally posted by grimfall

Originally posted by waynejr2

Originally posted by Robsolf

 

 

You can't forget the butt-sore swgers who will never grow up and just move on from their NGE hatred and who are putting on swtor.

This is basically the problem, plus the 30% of the community here who just bitch about anything.   Did all these "Star Wars" Fans ever watch any of the movies or play any of the Old Republc games?  I don't remember Han Solo dancing in a lot of cantinas or Annakin going out into the wilderness to build  a house for himself.  The game is exactly what any reasonable person should have expected - a Knights of the Old Republic game, with lots of multiplayer elments... oh yeah, and it's got tunnel shooter gameplay, which KOTR didn't have... so let's bitch about it because it's not X-Wing vs Tie Fighter.

If they closed down your SWG, because it wasn't making enough money, you should have got your friends to play it. 

The movies don't support gameplay because they are fast-paced, don't have much exposition, and follow a linear narrative. MMOs typically need a space you spend time, non-linear activities, and need the blanks filed in that the movies should not (details of life etc.) They didn't depict the guy who built anakin's house, but somebody built the damn thing, so if houses go up someone will have to build it. I always like the "It wasn't in the movies" argument. If you had to do it that way the game would last about 10 hours. The "I am the star of the galaxy 100% of the time" thing doesn't work either. You need contrasts that is why there are other characters in the movies besides the 4 or 5 main characters, to make them look special. Narcissism is fantastic.

It's easy to kick the dead game, so good for you on that one. I played the game, at one time had four accounts running at once, all my friends played, and I was in a large guild. Guess that didn't work. Probably because the answer isn't as simple as you suggest.

i dont understand why all attack to swtor, i love swtor, i played SWG and was horrible for me, i was in the level 34 and i couldn't more, i love Star Wars the best film ever!, i play kotor I and II and i say that swtor is best for me, i dont understand why all attack to swtor, for me swtor isnt a 10 is a 11 of a 10

Kotor = good

Bioware = good (or did)

So Kotor + bioware + $200 million + 5 years + pre made engine + years of mmo data out there of what fails and what doesn't  = shit game...  uhh how?

Originally posted by ignore_me

Originally posted by grimfall

Originally posted by waynejr2

Originally posted by Robsolf

 

 

You can't forget the butt-sore swgers who will never grow up and just move on from their NGE hatred and who are putting on swtor.

This is basically the problem, plus the 30% of the community here who just bitch about anything.   Did all these "Star Wars" Fans ever watch any of the movies or play any of the Old Republc games?  I don't remember Han Solo dancing in a lot of cantinas or Annakin going out into the wilderness to build  a house for himself.  The game is exactly what any reasonable person should have expected - a Knights of the Old Republic game, with lots of multiplayer elments... oh yeah, and it's got tunnel shooter gameplay, which KOTR didn't have... so let's bitch about it because it's not X-Wing vs Tie Fighter.

If they closed down your SWG, because it wasn't making enough money, you should have got your friends to play it. 

The movies don't support gameplay because they are fast-paced, don't have much exposition, and follow a linear narrative. MMOs typically need a space you spend time, non-linear activities, and need the blanks filed in that the movies should not (details of life etc.) ..They didn't depict the guy who built anakin's house, but somebody built the damn thing, so if houses go up someone will have to build it. I always like the "It wasn't in the movies" argument. Sorry, there is a reason that they don't build houses in movies... it's boring If you had to do it that way the game would last about 10 hours. But the game doesn't last 10 hours, so you know what you're talking about?  There is some running around in the game, but there's still more than 10 hours of PVE and diagloge content.  The "I am the star of the galaxy 100% of the time" thing doesn't work either. You need contrasts that is why there are other characters in the movies besides the 4 or 5 main characters, to make them look special. Narcissism is fantastic.  But what does that have to do with anything, because, you're not the star in either game, right?  You were the guy doing shit too boring to show in a movie in one game, and a guy doing the more interesting things in the 2nd game.

It's easy to kick the dead game, so good for you on that one. I played the game, at one time had four accounts running at once, all my friends played, and I was in a large guild. Guess that didn't work. Probably because the answer isn't as simple as you suggest.

If all your friends are playing an MMO, you need to get out of the house, man.  Had everyone cancelled their account at the time of the NGE, they would have changed it back.  It's pretty simple.  Corporations sole reason for existence is to make money for their owners.  You've quite clearly identified yourself as a "butt hurt NGE player", so what are you arguing?   Bioware didn't make SWG.

Sure a lot of it has to do with the Star Wars IP.  No doubt. 

But lets not leave out the game itself had one of the hugest budgets of all time.   Along with the fact its Bioware.  

People expected more from such a huge budget.   They expected more of Bioware, although Im not sure so many people expect as much from them as they once did.   I know I dont. 

So I figure it comes down to those three things.   Dissapointed at the use of the Star Wars IP, dissapointed in a game with a budget the size of a small moon (pun intended), and dissapointed that Bioware, the once king of innovation some what failed to deliver.    

With the fact it was Star Wars, and with such a huge budget to work with, Bioware put out a mediocre mmorpg that could easily have been made ten years ago and looked and felt about the same.   The game isnt a fail in itself but with all things considered, the fact its not ten times better than it is, is a major fail across the board. 

   I dont see why people are surprised or dissapointed, if you played bg2, da, me 1 2 3, kotar 1 2 you would know that Bioware develops its games through STORY and Voice overs with big production, why would you think they would change it and make a traditional mmo?  They did exactly what I expected them to do with the exception of Space (thought tht would be a little more fleshed out) and I am enjoying it quite a bit. I am so sick of the old traditional mmo with bad quest lines , no story , no production , no cut scenes and that horrible wall of text

1. Budget
2. Star Wars
3. Bioware
4. Self-created hype
5. It's not SWG.
6. People hate on forums...you're on a forum.
7. WoW clone
8. Sandbox vs Themepark
9. It is the newest game out...so it's easy and convenient prey.
10. Follow the leader.