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General Discussion  » A few points of concern: The open world and how it isn't so very open afterall.

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  romanator0

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4/05/12 4:58:34 PM#321
Originally posted by DannyGlover

The game looks pretty open to me. But I did have a question. I was watching some total biscuit vids of him playing GW2 and it seemed that there were a lot of quick little loading screens as they roamed round the world. It would be like an event would cause it or they would walk into an invisible wall, the load screen would come up for about 5 seconds, then they would keep moving. Whats up with that? Is that how the whole game is going to be? Short little load screens every few minutes as you wander around the world?

Which video is this? Only one i've seen like that was him doing personal story quests.

  NeoZcar2

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4/05/12 4:59:55 PM#322
Originally posted by DannyGlover

The game looks pretty open to me. But I did have a question. I was watching some total biscuit vids of him playing GW2 and it seemed that there were a lot of quick little loading screens as they roamed round the world. It would be like an event would cause it or they would walk into an invisible wall, the load screen would come up for about 5 seconds, then they would keep moving. Whats up with that? Is that how the whole game is going to be? Short little load screens every few minutes as you wander around the world?

If your referring to teh same video I watched then there is a simple explaination. Most of that was his going from Personal Home isntance, to main city, to outside zone, then going through a series of personal storyline instances. Which everyone has known about for a while now. During your own personal storyline you do go off into instanced areas that others cannot affect while you are there. They are usually small short and quick and then your back out into the normal world.

  flclimax

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4/05/12 5:00:54 PM#323

question:

so now that we know that many zone to zone transitions in this game are seamless and the game is not instanced or sharded(GW, SWTOR), what's this discussion about now?

  NeoZcar2

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4/05/12 5:02:29 PM#324
Originally posted by flclimax

question:

so now that we know that many zone to zone transitions in this game are seamless and the game is not instanced or sharded(GW, SWTOR), what's this discussion about now?

Its about a Darkfall troll poking the GW2 beehive with a stick before running off screaming for help because he didnt get a favorable response.

  Creslin321

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4/05/12 5:02:35 PM#325
Originally posted by NeoZcar2
Originally posted by DannyGlover

The game looks pretty open to me. But I did have a question. I was watching some total biscuit vids of him playing GW2 and it seemed that there were a lot of quick little loading screens as they roamed round the world. It would be like an event would cause it or they would walk into an invisible wall, the load screen would come up for about 5 seconds, then they would keep moving. Whats up with that? Is that how the whole game is going to be? Short little load screens every few minutes as you wander around the world?

If your referring to teh same video I watched then there is a simple explaination. Most of that was his going from Personal Home isntance, to main city, to outside zone, then going through a series of personal storyline instances. Which everyone has known about for a while now. During your own personal storyline you do go off into instanced areas that others cannot affect while you are there. They are usually small short and quick and then your back out into the normal world.

 Yeah...also there are PLENTY of GW2 videos out there with hardly any zoning in them, like all the Yogscast ones.  Just like most games, there will be some zoning in GW2, but I don't think it's going to be that bad.

If every GW2 video had tons of zoning in it, I would be concerned.  But as it stands, there's only one video out of probably over a hundred that has significant zoning in it...I wouldn't worry.

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  Creslin321

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4/05/12 5:03:35 PM#326
Originally posted by NeoZcar2
Originally posted by flclimax

question:

so now that we know that many zone to zone transitions in this game are seamless and the game is not instanced or sharded(GW, SWTOR), what's this discussion about now?

Its about a Darkfall troll poking the GW2 beehive with a stick before running off screaming for help because he didnt get a favorable response.

 I don't think he was poking the GW2 beehive...I think he was poking the "rational thought" beehive.

Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?

  flclimax

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4/05/12 5:03:38 PM#327
Originally posted by NeoZcar2
Originally posted by flclimax

question:

so now that we know that many zone to zone transitions in this game are seamless and the game is not instanced or sharded(GW, SWTOR), what's this discussion about now?

Its about a Darkfall troll poking the GW2 beehive with a stick before running off screaming for help because he didnt get a favorable response.

figures. 

  User Deleted
4/05/12 5:03:43 PM#328


Originally posted by NeoZcar2


Originally posted by DannyGlover
The game looks pretty open to me. But I did have a question. I was watching some total biscuit vids of him playing GW2 and it seemed that there were a lot of quick little loading screens as they roamed round the world. It would be like an event would cause it or they would walk into an invisible wall, the load screen would come up for about 5 seconds, then they would keep moving. Whats up with that? Is that how the whole game is going to be? Short little load screens every few minutes as you wander around the world?


If your referring to teh same video I watched then there is a simple explaination. Most of that was his going from Personal Home isntance, to main city, to outside zone, then going through a series of personal storyline instances. Which everyone has known about for a while now. During your own personal storyline you do go off into instanced areas that others cannot affect while you are there. They are usually small short and quick and then your back out into the normal world.


Ah ok cool that must have been it. Thank you :)

  NeoZcar2

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4/05/12 5:07:04 PM#329
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by NeoZcar2
Originally posted by flclimax

question:

so now that we know that many zone to zone transitions in this game are seamless and the game is not instanced or sharded(GW, SWTOR), what's this discussion about now?

Its about a Darkfall troll poking the GW2 beehive with a stick before running off screaming for help because he didnt get a favorable response.

 I don't think he was poking the GW2 beehive...I think he was poking the "rational thought" beehive.

Time and Time again it has been explained that as the quality of games goes up the seamlessness of the world has to go down. The hardware side of game development is usually years behind the software side. It simply cannot keep up. And yet certain Trolls continually point at older crappier failed games and say, "See this game did it. How come you cannot?". Unfortunatly with GW2 being King Kong of the 2012 MMORPG scene it is the example they poke at. And it has a lot of followers who actually have a brain and know why things are done a certain way.

  Zekiah

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4/05/12 5:07:31 PM#330
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by NeoZcar2
Originally posted by flclimax

question:

so now that we know that many zone to zone transitions in this game are seamless and the game is not instanced or sharded(GW, SWTOR), what's this discussion about now?

Its about a Darkfall troll poking the GW2 beehive with a stick before running off screaming for help because he didnt get a favorable response.

 I don't think he was poking the GW2 beehive...I think he was poking the "rational thought" beehive.

Lol, can't have that now can we? It's easier just to call people haters or fanbois when they disagree with you. 

Rational thought...pfft...

"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  hcoelho

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4/05/12 5:08:04 PM#331

Load Screens are not the real problem IMO. The problem  is when the world  is all narrow paths, like AoC , Aion, SWTOR. 

If GW2  has open areas with zones and instances, like LOTRO., I'm all good with it. (LOTRO has one of the best world designs IMO)

 

Fast travelling can't be done without loading... it just can't. Not in a MMO. And by design GW2 will have it, there is no way to be different here.

But now that this issue was raised (i didn't get this feel from the beta videos though), i'm kinda concerned as well. If i find a mmo "claustrophobic" i jsut CAN'T stick to it... seriously. I quit SWTOR because of this.

 

 

For the guy stuck about Darkfall. 

 

Yes, Darkfall world is quite an achievement but its very poorly textured and lacks a LOT of features. Like Persistant mobs (they are triggered if you pass near they spawn point), weather system (it used to be client side, so 2 differnete players would see different weather cenarios), view distance and  some others.

Also all the models and textures suffers from it, and the server takes a shit load of work when too many players get together, still it supports massive battles like no other mmo can do. 

No one is saying it CAN'T be done in GW2, they choosed not to, and they are very wise to do so... their game would not fit a seemless world like Agon.

 

 

  DarkPony

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OP  4/05/12 5:10:09 PM#332
Originally posted by flclimax

question:

so now that we know that many zone to zone transitions in this game are seamless

Must have missed the link or proof of that, did anyone actually confirm this?

  Atlan99

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4/05/12 5:11:10 PM#333
Originally posted by NeoZcar2
Originally posted by Zekiah

Darkfall has one, if not the best combat systems out there.

And yes, yes, we all know about your precious lol.

Obviously Darkfall and by extension Mortal Online do not have even close to the best combat systems out there or they both would not be failed games. People do not like the feel of a FPS combat system in a MMORPG. Personally I think the combat system that AoC came up with is far better then anything Darkfall had to offer and pure subscription numbers would agree. Guildwars 2 will have a system that like AoC is a cross breed between traditional tab targeting combat and action oriented combat like we find in Darkfall. 

Just because you and other Darkfall players liked that combat system does not make it even arguably the best system because you are less then .1% of all  MMORPG players.  And if I remember correctly critics rated AoC as the best combat system ever. And GW2 is very similar to AoC.

I actually liked Darkfall's combat. The archery in the game is some of best I have seen in a game let alone an mmo.

The problem's with Darkfall were inability to handle a decent number of players at launch. It also took about 90 days to get the mass combat optimized so it wasn't a slideshow.

The biggest problem's imo are twofold.

First, no real safety anywhere in the world. You need a "carebear" zone so people don't ragequit and uninstall.

Second, in Darkfall you play for keeps. Whole guilds could have a month's worth of work erased in a couple hours. This is the biggest hurdle to Darkfall imo. 

I would still probably be playing Darkfall if all the also rans didn't quit. In fact our policy in Darkfall NA was not to try and conquer other cities because we didn't want everyone to ragequit.

Which in turn made our alliance start to slowly quit over boredom.

  DarkPony

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OP  4/05/12 5:12:52 PM#334
Originally posted by NeoZcar2
Originally posted by flclimax

question:

so now that we know that many zone to zone transitions in this game are seamless and the game is not instanced or sharded(GW, SWTOR), what's this discussion about now?

Its about a Darkfall troll poking the GW2 beehive with a stick before running off screaming for help because he didnt get a favorable response.

 

I never even played that game. Must be the "Dark" bit in DarkPony I guess. Try harder.

Edit: that is, if you intended me with that.

 

  Creslin321

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4/05/12 5:14:29 PM#335
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by NeoZcar2
Originally posted by flclimax

question:

so now that we know that many zone to zone transitions in this game are seamless and the game is not instanced or sharded(GW, SWTOR), what's this discussion about now?

Its about a Darkfall troll poking the GW2 beehive with a stick before running off screaming for help because he didnt get a favorable response.

 

I never even played that game. Must be the "Dark" bit in DarkPony I guess. Try harder.

 

 I think he was referring to Zekiah...you've been perfectly rational with your posts Pony :).

Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?

  NeoZcar2

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4/05/12 5:15:43 PM#336
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by NeoZcar2
Originally posted by flclimax

question:

so now that we know that many zone to zone transitions in this game are seamless and the game is not instanced or sharded(GW, SWTOR), what's this discussion about now?

Its about a Darkfall troll poking the GW2 beehive with a stick before running off screaming for help because he didnt get a favorable response.

 

I never even played that game. Must be the "Dark" bit in DarkPony I guess. Try harder.

Edit: that is, if you intended me with that.

 

Wasn't talking about you pony. I was talking about the guy Zekiah who kept the argument going pointlessly because "Darkfall had an open world so if they could do it then GW2 can.". 

  DarkPony

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OP  4/05/12 5:16:26 PM#337
Originally posted by Creslin321
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by NeoZcar2
Originally posted by flclimax

question:

so now that we know that many zone to zone transitions in this game are seamless and the game is not instanced or sharded(GW, SWTOR), what's this discussion about now?

Its about a Darkfall troll poking the GW2 beehive with a stick before running off screaming for help because he didnt get a favorable response.

 

I never even played that game. Must be the "Dark" bit in DarkPony I guess. Try harder.

 

 I think he was referring to Zekiah...you've been perfectly rational with your posts Pony :).

Ah ok. I was confused because he perfectly described my late signature (god rest its soul).

  Zekiah

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2. exaggerated publicity; hoopla.
3. swindle, deception, or trick.

4/05/12 5:16:51 PM#338
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by NeoZcar2
Originally posted by flclimax

question:

so now that we know that many zone to zone transitions in this game are seamless and the game is not instanced or sharded(GW, SWTOR), what's this discussion about now?

Its about a Darkfall troll poking the GW2 beehive with a stick before running off screaming for help because he didnt get a favorable response.

 

I never even played that game. Must be the "Dark" bit in DarkPony I guess. Try harder.

Edit: that is, if you intended me with that.

 

Nah, it was to me Pony. I've been deemed a GW-hating, irrational troll it seems lol.

Don't ask too many questions though, those titles seem to spread sometimes. 

 

"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  DarkPony

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OP  4/05/12 5:17:00 PM#339
Originally posted by NeoZcar2
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by NeoZcar2
Originally posted by flclimax

question:

so now that we know that many zone to zone transitions in this game are seamless and the game is not instanced or sharded(GW, SWTOR), what's this discussion about now?

Its about a Darkfall troll poking the GW2 beehive with a stick before running off screaming for help because he didnt get a favorable response.

 

I never even played that game. Must be the "Dark" bit in DarkPony I guess. Try harder.

Edit: that is, if you intended me with that.

 

Wasn't talking about you pony. I was talking about the guy Zekiah who kept the argument going pointlessly because "Darkfall had an open world so if they could do it then GW2 can.". 

Roger, sorry for the misinterpematashun.

  flclimax

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4/05/12 5:19:26 PM#340
Originally posted by DarkPony
Originally posted by flclimax

question:

so now that we know that many zone to zone transitions in this game are seamless

Must have missed the link or proof of that, did anyone actually confirm this?

i posted the link a few pages back(also there is one yogcast video where they swim to another zone), you clearly ignored my earlier post. go back a few pages if you want to.

the devs have long confirmed this, that you have loading between regions.

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