Originally posted by maitrader
I wouldnt say that. I guess 200$we is alot when your working at mcd's but i myself (luckily) dont work there and am able to support funcom through money from my own business. Funcom knows this is their last chance to release a grea tproduct starting at launch. 200 dollars is 2 pennies in the grand scheme of things.. but if my 200$own will help pay wages to work overtime to make sure theirfinal effort one in which will brwak the mold, i am willing to support ir.

Your own business, huh? That business wouldn't entail uhh... "online community management" now, would it?

Originally posted by maitrader
I cant remember the launch if any mmo being spectaular... they all lack in some area... if its not buggy, it has no content and is easily branded as a wos clone or korean grindfest. It is usual for complex games to have difficult launches.. AO was exactly that. No other mmo requored the brains that AO took.. also in AoC it took quite a bit of skill to pvp effectively, something people werent used to.. yes indeecld every game they have released has been different and definitely not Ez mode

To say that you can't remember the launch of any mmo being spectacular is relative and at the least we can atleast rate games by release as in better or worse.  From my experience games like LOTRO,COH,EVE(from what I hear) had relatively smooth releases games like Vanguard,AO,and AOC had some of the worse.

I do agree it seems that some of the games that try for complexity seem to have worse releases.  Honestly though I'm a consumer and if I consume a good I expect a certain level of quality one that Funcom has yet to reach while many other mmo's have until they get that fixed I wouldn't trust them to give them money for something I haven't seen work completely as intended.

No matter if it's an indie company or a large corporation, if I like what I see in their product I'll buy it. In the case of The Secret World I know I like it and I'll leave it at that so yes I had no issue paying them for something I liked and truth be told I will have a harder time giving ArenaNet a similar amount for their MMO at this point in time but that's because I have yet to see it for myself.

Originally posted by maitrader
I wouldnt say that. I guess 200$we is alot when your working at mcd's but i myself (luckily) dont work there and am able to support funcom through money from my own business. Funcom knows this is their last chance to release a grea tproduct starting at launch. 200 dollars is 2 pennies in the grand scheme of things.. but if my 200$own will help pay wages to work overtime to make sure theirfinal effort one in which will brwak the mold, i am willing to support ir.

Why do all of your posts assume to otell us what Funcom "knows" how do you "know" what they "know" you can't even prove they believe that.

What I would assume Funcom knows at this point is that they haven't messed up too bad yet because folks are still willing to give them money before seeing the product while they have already squandered two opportunities to build a positive rep in this industry.

Whether you think $200 is alot or not is irrelevant to me I wouldn't be happy about giving a single dollar to someone who was either decieving me to get it or simply wasn't going to deliver what I expect for that money.

honestly if you believe so much in Funcom and what they do (and money is no object) why not go all in and actually invest in the company.

Originally posted by Unshra

 

No matter if it's an indie company or a large corporation, if I like what I see in their product I'll buy it. In the case of The Secret World I know I like it and I'll leave it at that so yes I had no issue paying them for something I liked and truth be told I will have a harder time giving ArenaNet a similar amount for their MMO at this point in time but that's because I have yet to see it for myself.

GW2's lifetime sub is $60 

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Originally posted by Ambros123

 

Even though most of the lifetime subs have tanked and not being worth of their value. Lotro is still a game that was worth the lifetime subscription. Is TSW worth a lifetime? Time will tell.

I've seen the concepts of TSW, I know what the game is all about. I know what Funcom has done with AoC and what was great about AoC. I know the gameplay itself is nothing revolutionizing. It's another hotkey MMO with a twist. I like the skill/build system, crafting system, theme, missions, story cutscenes,  dialoque. That's enough for me to pay for a lifetime sub.

What funcom has is a product with a lot of potential and I want to give my support to them and hope they will make the game what they've promised it to become.

When you spend a lot of time in research you know what you are paying unless they pull Anet and implement a shit for brains CS in the last stretch.

considering they already implemented a CS, i guess you're not so hot on the research. 

The CS in TSW was planned from day one and it will be purely cosmetical. Unlike in GW2 where you basically get a pop-up whether you want to continue or not :j

I don't know if you're trolling or not but taht GW2 reference was complete nonsense. When you buy GW2 you get the full game with nothing that needs to be unlocked through a cash shop purchase.

As a matter of fact, now that I think about it, the cash shops in GW2 and TSW are very similar in a sense that they both offer mostly cosmetic options and character slots. The major difference is that GW2 devs didn't have the audacity to charge a monthly fee on top of their cash shop.

Yup I'm trollin. But the basic difference with TSW and GW2 cashshop is that GW2 won't be purely cosmetical.

TSW will get their income from subscriptions, GW2 will only get income from CS. It's obvious which one will be more intruisive.

You'd be a fool to beleive that the CS in TSW will be purely cosmetical, no CS ever is because if Devs can smell profit then they will go for it.  There is a bit contraversity behind the GW2 CS but it sticks to their philosophy that they published.

Also how many people would have bought lifetime subs for SWTOR?  PRolly a whole crap ton considering the amount of the ridiculously overpriced CE of the game was.  Of those that would have been life-time subs, what proportion do you think would have still be playing?  Prolly only a fraction, being generous lets say 2/3 stayed   Point is one can never know how a game will be purely from a Beta or doing research on the game and just shelling aout a few hundred dollars on a possibility is just foolishness.

I don't remember who posted in one of these threads but as he basically said.

They are getting their profits from the subscriptions, they have no need to get major profits from the CS. Games like GW2 get all of their profit from CS so their approach is a lot different. If TSW actually had P2P + Must buy CS to stay competitive it would be plain redonkulous and people would leave Funcom before they had the chance to say "Oops!"

When it comes to SWTOR the people who would've bought lifetime subscription were most likely downloading the client again as we speak since 1.2 is the patch that BW wanted to launch the game as. SWTOR has only gotten better since launch and I don't think it's farfetched to say TSW won't perfect at start. It'll take some time :j

Actually, games like GW2 get most of their profits from box sales. The cash shop is suplementary income for them. That is why they are able to maintain GW1 and continue to add content to this day without resorting to milking their players for money at every turn.

The box sales might cover a large part of  the development costs but it's the stream of revenue that keeps them developing the game until their next expansion is ready. CS is going to play a large part in GW2 and in their funding whether you like it or not :j

Not only do they get their income from box sales and CS, but also from expansions. Guild Wars 1 had three of such expansions. Also, for GW1 they didn't have a CS right at the start. They started with that roughly 2 years ago, gradually offering more paid services like: extra storage and extra character slots.

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Originally posted by Kuppa

It takes a lot of faith to put that amount of money into a game that has shown very little footage and there are minimal player experience articles out there. All the time they show the game is a press event because they haven't let the public get their hands on it on a wide open beta or test. They have some interesting ideas but unfortunately I have no clue how will they work in an unsupervised enviroment like press events. Sorry, but I don't have that much faith.

There is a lot of footage if you search for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ0IIX2_chA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVXMwWwgAhE&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZPS1SvmVHI&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YB2Vnyp89A&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW6bptkpXVo&feature=related

 

There are more but i found all this without even putting any effort into search.

thats almost all a year old or older... and it shows just how bad the game really is. That area discussed(after leaving Kingsmuth) is so bad.. the quests are ridiculous and boring, combat is terrible.. the only thing that is nice is the whole I forget the name I call them runes butt hats not right. Basically your armor.. pretty unique and the weapons are interesting, like a lighter is the focus for fire magic. However the heart of the game is flawed.. was a great idea gone terribly wrong.

There are latest footage too like i said earlier if you do search you will find videos from 2012 to, i just didn't put too much effort into search. Infact there is one 35 minute long video of gameplay from this very month.

Also i wouldn't knock it without playing it. it is hard to say how flawed the game is without even tryign it out.

why would you think I haven't played it... NDA! all I can say >.<

Because you anyways said a lot;) NDA means you are not even supposed to talk about NDA ;)

I am pretty sure you can say there is an NDA....

I am fairly sure that their NDA says you can't say NDA. because you cant' admit that you are in Beta under the NDA in the 1st place. You have clearly implied that you are in the beta.

 

I am truly not trying to be a jerk, please don't think I am, but I am just telling you that you should consider being more careful.

I have no idea who you really are, but that doesn't mean someone can't figure it out somewhere. (someone you know)

actually I said I cant say because of NDA, everything I said was visible in the vids listed. I dont imply anything here I meant that you shouldn't assume that I hadn't played.. especially when I can't say if I had because of NDA ;)

Maybe I misread then.

I apologize. I assumed you were a beta tester.

I shouldn't assume anything.

Originally posted by raistlinm

Originally posted by maitrader
I cant remember the launch if any mmo being spectaular... they all lack in some area... if its not buggy, it has no content and is easily branded as a wos clone or korean grindfest. It is usual for complex games to have difficult launches.. AO was exactly that. No other mmo requored the brains that AO took.. also in AoC it took quite a bit of skill to pvp effectively, something people werent used to.. yes indeecld every game they have released has been different and definitely not Ez mode

To say that you can't remember the launch of any mmo being spectacular is relative and at the least we can atleast rate games by release as in better or worse.  From my experience games like LOTRO,COH,EVE(from what I hear) had relatively smooth releases games like Vanguard,AO,and AOC had some of the worse.

I do agree it seems that some of the games that try for complexity seem to have worse releases.  Honestly though I'm a consumer and if I consume a good I expect a certain level of quality one that Funcom has yet to reach while many other mmo's have until they get that fixed I wouldn't trust them to give them money for something I haven't seen work completely as intended.

You'll have a problem with funcom then, because often enough they simply say it is working at intended eventhough it's completely broken from a player perspective.

Originally posted by Connmacart

Originally posted by raistlinm

Originally posted by maitrader
I cant remember the launch if any mmo being spectaular... they all lack in some area... if its not buggy, it has no content and is easily branded as a wos clone or korean grindfest. It is usual for complex games to have difficult launches.. AO was exactly that. No other mmo requored the brains that AO took.. also in AoC it took quite a bit of skill to pvp effectively, something people werent used to.. yes indeecld every game they have released has been different and definitely not Ez mode

To say that you can't remember the launch of any mmo being spectacular is relative and at the least we can atleast rate games by release as in better or worse.  From my experience games like LOTRO,COH,EVE(from what I hear) had relatively smooth releases games like Vanguard,AO,and AOC had some of the worse.

I do agree it seems that some of the games that try for complexity seem to have worse releases.  Honestly though I'm a consumer and if I consume a good I expect a certain level of quality one that Funcom has yet to reach while many other mmo's have until they get that fixed I wouldn't trust them to give them money for something I haven't seen work completely as intended.

You'll have a problem with funcom then, because often enough they simply say it is working at intended eventhough it's completely broken from a player perspective.

 

My point exactly which is why I wouldn't be playing anything they made until a good three or four months in.

Only way I would buy a LTS for *any* MMO is if I was in beta a good 3+ months leading up to launch, and was satisfied with how they fixed bugs and responded to tester concerns.  No way in Hell I'd buy a LTS for a sight unseen Funcom game.  My trust level in Funcom is only slightly higher than in Cryptic.

Originally posted by karmath

If you fork out $200+ for ANYTHING your yet to even see outside of developer/press marketing you are the sole reason why the MMO genre has bcome nothing more than a bait and switch cash grab. Congrats.

You make it sound like "developer/marketing" is a bad thing.

I am most definately going for a lifetime. I consider it an excellent entertainment value. I consider myself a pretty good judge of a particular MMO's longevity and wether or not its worth it to me to play for a long time. When i think of all the money i could of saved in all the years i played DAoC, AO, WoW, it makes me sad.

You're saying that i'm the reason for bait and switch cash grab. Can you please explain how the "bait and switch" relates to the MMO genre? I dont see it.

You must not understand good business practices or marketing principles. There are many examples of lifetime subs to various products.  As the informed consumer, you must decide if it worth it or not. They certainly all arent created equal.

 To say i'm promoting business scams and thereby hurting the MMO genre is untrue and unfair.

Originally posted by wrightstuf

Originally posted by karmath

If you fork out $200+ for ANYTHING your yet to even see outside of developer/press marketing you are the sole reason why the MMO genre has bcome nothing more than a bait and switch cash grab. Congrats.

You make it sound like "developer/marketing" is a bad thing.

I am most definately going for a lifetime. I consider it an excellent entertainment value. I consider myself a pretty good judge of a particular MMO's longevity and wether or not its worth it to me to play for a long time. When i think of all the money i could of saved in all the years i played DAoC, AO, WoW, it makes me sad.

You're saying that i'm the reason for bait and switch cash grab. Can you please explain how the "bait and switch" relates to the MMO genre? I dont see it.

You must not understand good business practices or marketing principles. There are many examples of lifetime subs to various products.  As the informed consumer, you must decide if it worth it or not. They certainly all arent created equal.

 To say i'm promoting business scams and thereby hurting the MMO genre is untrue and unfair.

What other services that offer monthly subscriptions offer lifetime subs?  Premium tv service? not that I know of nor telecommunication.  MMORPG's are the only medium I know of that routinely asks it's customers to pay for something not even released yet and I can't think of any other medium that falls as hard on delivery either.

Originally posted by raistlinm

Originally posted by wrightstuf

Originally posted by karmath

If you fork out $200+ for ANYTHING your yet to even see outside of developer/press marketing you are the sole reason why the MMO genre has bcome nothing more than a bait and switch cash grab. Congrats.

You make it sound like "developer/marketing" is a bad thing.

I am most definately going for a lifetime. I consider it an excellent entertainment value. I consider myself a pretty good judge of a particular MMO's longevity and wether or not its worth it to me to play for a long time. When i think of all the money i could of saved in all the years i played DAoC, AO, WoW, it makes me sad.

You're saying that i'm the reason for bait and switch cash grab. Can you please explain how the "bait and switch" relates to the MMO genre? I dont see it.

You must not understand good business practices or marketing principles. There are many examples of lifetime subs to various products.  As the informed consumer, you must decide if it worth it or not. They certainly all arent created equal.

 To say i'm promoting business scams and thereby hurting the MMO genre is untrue and unfair.

What other services that offer monthly subscriptions offer lifetime subs?  Premium tv service? not that I know of nor telecommunication.  MMORPG's are the only medium I know of that routinely asks it's customers to pay for something not even released yet and I can't think of any other medium that falls as hard on delivery either.

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by Unshra

 

No matter if it's an indie company or a large corporation, if I like what I see in their product I'll buy it. In the case of The Secret World I know I like it and I'll leave it at that so yes I had no issue paying them for something I liked and truth be told I will have a harder time giving ArenaNet a similar amount for their MMO at this point in time but that's because I have yet to see it for myself.

GW2's lifetime sub is $60 

That's pretty good for a game with no endgame.

Oh and throw in few expansions that aren't included in the "lifetime" :j

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by Unshra

 

No matter if it's an indie company or a large corporation, if I like what I see in their product I'll buy it. In the case of The Secret World I know I like it and I'll leave it at that so yes I had no issue paying them for something I liked and truth be told I will have a harder time giving ArenaNet a similar amount for their MMO at this point in time but that's because I have yet to see it for myself.

GW2's lifetime sub is $60 

That's pretty good for a game with no endgame.

Oh and throw in few expansions that aren't included in the "lifetime" :j

Compared to recent MMOs, I'd say it has vastly more endgame than any of them.

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by Unshra

 

No matter if it's an indie company or a large corporation, if I like what I see in their product I'll buy it. In the case of The Secret World I know I like it and I'll leave it at that so yes I had no issue paying them for something I liked and truth be told I will have a harder time giving ArenaNet a similar amount for their MMO at this point in time but that's because I have yet to see it for myself.

GW2's lifetime sub is $60 

That's pretty good for a game with no endgame.

Oh and throw in few expansions that aren't included in the "lifetime" :j

That argument specious at best and plainly poor reasoning at worst, if not outright baiting.

1. Nowhere have I seen that Funcom will include future expansions for "free" for LIfers.  Historically Freemium games like AoC and LotRO don't include xpacs for free for their subscribed/lifer accounts.  There is no reason to think that TSW will be any different and subjects you to your same criticism of GW2.

2. Endgame is a red herring and even if it was a valid argument would put TSW in the spotlight there as well.  All of the marketing I've been getting in emails and news stories has pointed out a leveless skill system where there is no end game.  So I don't see where you are shooting from unless you planning on standing in front that shotgun too.

The point is Guild Wars has an entry cost of approximately $60 here in the US that grants "lifetime" access to the servers.  TSW entry cost for that same sort of access looks to be over $250.  That's quite a difference.  I think the entry cost for Guild Wars is high for a game that is so closely modeled after F2P offerings with no entry cost, but in comparison the cost for TSW seems ludicrous to me.  But that's just from a pre-release perspective.  The proof of the pudding shall be in what those studios and publishers offer their customers in content upgrades that are included in the entry fee and how much more they'll charge in addition to that.

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by Unshra

 

No matter if it's an indie company or a large corporation, if I like what I see in their product I'll buy it. In the case of The Secret World I know I like it and I'll leave it at that so yes I had no issue paying them for something I liked and truth be told I will have a harder time giving ArenaNet a similar amount for their MMO at this point in time but that's because I have yet to see it for myself.

GW2's lifetime sub is $60 

That's pretty good for a game with no endgame.

Oh and throw in few expansions that aren't included in the "lifetime" :j

Wait, you actually think that TSW expansions will be free for lifers? Oh boy, are you in for a rude awakening.

I will get the life time as well, if it goes F2P in 2 years I still save money, if it does in a year I break even, and with the limits that F2P often has, it will still save me money over the years.

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by Unshra

 

No matter if it's an indie company or a large corporation, if I like what I see in their product I'll buy it. In the case of The Secret World I know I like it and I'll leave it at that so yes I had no issue paying them for something I liked and truth be told I will have a harder time giving ArenaNet a similar amount for their MMO at this point in time but that's because I have yet to see it for myself.

GW2's lifetime sub is $60 

That's pretty good for a game with no endgame.

Oh and throw in few expansions that aren't included in the "lifetime" :j

Have we seen any of the TSW endgame? You believe they are giving away expansions to life subbers in TSW???