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  Nethriil

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4/04/12 9:28:22 AM#61
Originally posted by //\\//\\oo
Originally posted by Nethriil
 

 

PAx east this weekend. Open to Play. So lots of feedback from users after this

 

 

The problem is that those events are generally content restrictive. Rarely do you get to explore and do as you please. It still doesn't explain, even if they were to unleash the entire game at the event, why there haven't been any large beta events comparable to those of GW2 and why nobody of the press/entertainment industry e.g. Yogscast/TB etc. has gotten ahold of the game.

 

 

Lots of the press have played the game. Lots of previews. More out NeXT week. Nda
  garbonzo

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4/04/12 9:28:51 AM#62

The bonus for pre-ordering should be company stock, because that's basically what you're doing - giving cash to a corporation so they can develop a product and hope it succeeds. Pre-order customers ought to share in the profits for risking their money on an unknown.

  niceguy3978

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4/04/12 9:29:10 AM#63
Originally posted by scotty899
Originally posted by toddze
Originally posted by scotty899
 

 

 

um...every mmo is a single player game with party options. you can level from 1-max level on your own if you feel the need to. you do not have a crystal ball, you can not predict the future. calm down everything will be ok.

capcom are the scum at the moment with disc locked content on street fighter X tekken. 

 

(FLAME SUIT ON!)

obviously you havnt been in the MMO genre when MMO's were MMO's if you think all MMO's are single player games.

If you think capcom is bad you need to google playstation orbis (ps4) and read what their talking about doing with the games. Makes capcom look like jesus.

hate to once again cloud your crystal ball of all universal knowledge again but UO you could travel about solo if you felt like or make friends and adventure (build a neat house even)  with them just like EQ and so on.  you are not required to play in groups but it is encouraged for a greater experience and explore harder content. im sure you understand.

 

im not keen on any new console with the APPLE like restrictions. on the bright side EA is a close 2nd for americas worst companies hahahahaha. 

Pretty much this.  While I really didn't like UO all that much, it was the only game of its type that I knew of at the time.  I know now that there was Meridian 59 and a couple of other smaller games but I knew Ultima and had looked forward to it for a long time when it launched.  I jumped ship pretty quickly to EQ though as I didn't like the FFA pvp.  In both games I soloed most of the time.  This was mainly due to my introvertish personality.  I would find a group every now and then to grind a bit faster, but while it made life easier, it wasn't a necessity.  Then came along FFXI.  This is the only mmorpg I can think of where grouping was actually required to even level past about 10 or so.  Needless to say, my personality didn't let me get to far in that one.  That was the only game to my knowledge that required players to group to accomplish anything, including killing a crab.

  Nethriil

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4/04/12 9:29:58 AM#64
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Nethriil
Originally posted by //\\//\\oo
Originally posted by Sovrath

IF I could do it again, I'd buy a lifetime sub to LOTRO.

I don't see anything wrong with the title. If anything, I see a lot "right" as it seems like a very casual game that one doesn't have to dedicate all their time to playing.

It really depends on what they are willing to consider a financial success.

NC Soft is big on axing games but Funcom doesn't seem to be like this. As long as they are happy with a smaller share of the mmo pie the game should run for a while.

 

 

 

The problem is that there's so little of the title to see when it's relatively close to release. No Open Beta events planned, VERY few gameplay videos out and the title will be releasing around GW2 or even earlier.

The major internet reviewers haven't been given access to the game, so it's kind of evident that funcom is either lacking confidence, or the title is being pushed to release.

 

 

PAx east this weekend. Open to Play. So lots of feedback from users after this

Yeah, I'll be at PAX so I plan to try it out.

 

@//\\//\\oo

Sovrath review then please :) looking forward to it

I don't mind that there's so little to see. In some ways I prefer it. I'm tired of not having surprises. Movie previews show the highlights to the entire movie, games seem to be huge in letting players know every litle detail.

Maybe it's a generational thing but I don't mind being "surprised". As long as I can try the game beforehand to determine whether it's something I will want to revisit then it's no issue.

 

  GoldenArrow

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4/04/12 9:32:57 AM#65
Originally posted by garbonzo

The bonus for pre-ordering should be company stock, because that's basically what you're doing - giving cash to a corporation so they can develop a product and hope it succeeds. Pre-order customers ought to share in the profits for risking their money on an unknown.

Haven't thought of it that way.

You are basically investing in the company but instead of getting dividends you might be getting a better product.

  Loke666

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Posts: 16745

4/04/12 9:34:57 AM#66
Originally posted by GoldenArrow
Originally posted by Loke666

The thing with life time subs is that they can be a sign of the devs trying to rip of the playerbase.

The typical sign is that they only will sell life time subs before the release like STO, if they have faith in their game they would continue to sell them for years.

Buying a life time sub for a game you never played is either a sign of you having way to much money or being a sucker. Just don´t no matter what.

I am not sure how Funcom are handeling this, but I can tell you that witing until they have a free trial or at least speaking to friends that play the game is the only smart thing to do before getting a life time sub no matter how good the game seems to you.

STO & DCUO never had any potential.

Both aimed to rip off trekkies and comic fans.

Lotro was actually a valid game, this said they did aim to rip off LoTR fans.

TSW has been under development for 10 years and it is certainly an AAA title. If this was a scheme, who would they be trying to ripoff? The AoC fans? 8)

It doesn´t matter, buying a lifetime sub to a game you never even tried is still a bad idea.

LOTRO did continue to sell life time subs until just before it went F2P, STO on the other hand offered it as a "limited offer" before launch.

I don´t know how TSW will do, but you should not decide if you want to buy a life time sub only based on what you been reading about the game, a few vids and maybe 30 minutes hands on at ComicCon.

  User Deleted
 
OP  4/04/12 9:37:07 AM#67
Originally posted by Sovrath

 

 

@//\\//\\oo

I don't mind that there's so little to see. In some ways I prefer it. I'm tired of not having surprises. Movie previews show the highlights to the entire movie, games seem to be huge in letting players know every litle detail.

Maybe it's a generational thing but I don't mind being "surprised". As long as I can try the game beforehand to determine whether it's something I will want to revisit then it's no issue.

 

A generational thing? Are you serious ? You and I have seen the advent of the MMO titan that is WoW and it was wrought with nothing but transparency and word-of-mouth.

WoW with its shitty release (relative to server peformance and queues) and bugs, especially the looting bug, had the gall to have an open beta.

GW1 had an open beta, GW2 will have an open beta. LotRO had an open beta. Even games that are considered shit by many had open betas and MANY events well before release, like AoC.

 

Nearly every game that is thriving today had some form of open beta to lure in players through the quality of the product.

Are you seriously telling me that, after all of the time you've been playing and watching the genre unfold you have absolutely no doubts or concerns?

I'd have a hard time believing you.

 

  GoldenArrow

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4/04/12 9:38:09 AM#68
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by GoldenArrow
Originally posted by Loke666

The thing with life time subs is that they can be a sign of the devs trying to rip of the playerbase.

The typical sign is that they only will sell life time subs before the release like STO, if they have faith in their game they would continue to sell them for years.

Buying a life time sub for a game you never played is either a sign of you having way to much money or being a sucker. Just don´t no matter what.

I am not sure how Funcom are handeling this, but I can tell you that witing until they have a free trial or at least speaking to friends that play the game is the only smart thing to do before getting a life time sub no matter how good the game seems to you.

STO & DCUO never had any potential.

Both aimed to rip off trekkies and comic fans.

Lotro was actually a valid game, this said they did aim to rip off LoTR fans.

TSW has been under development for 10 years and it is certainly an AAA title. If this was a scheme, who would they be trying to ripoff? The AoC fans? 8)

It doesn´t matter, buying a lifetime sub to a game you never even tried is still a bad idea.

LOTRO did continue to sell life time subs until just before it went F2P, STO on the other hand offered it as a "limited offer" before launch.

I don´t know how TSW will do, but you should not decide if you want to buy a life time sub only based on what you been reading about the game, a few vids and maybe 30 minutes hands on at ComicCon.

The offer will continue after launch and you can upgrade any of the versions at any given time into lifetime.

You are most certainly not forced to buy the lifetime without playing the game, that'd be silly :o

  User Deleted
4/04/12 9:47:05 AM#69
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

STO & DCUO never had any potential.

Both aimed to rip off trekkies and comic fans.

Lotro was actually a valid game, this said they did aim to rip off LoTR fans.

TSW has been under development for 10 years and it is certainly an AAA title. If this was a scheme, who would they be trying to ripoff? The AoC fans? 8)

Just want to point out I don't think Funcom is attempting to rip off anyone. I know of only one game personally where a company making an MMO set out to do that though I think there may have been a few others but that was a long time ago. I am  wary due to personal experience of being in more then one  beta test ( NOT this one) with NDA still in effect when money is being taken from the unaware player base. It's awkward to watch really when you KNOW there will be rage afterwards. Some of those betas I KNOW the company may have tried their best but have been way off the mark for whatever reason. Any business wants to get back what it put into a product and in today's MMO market that pretty much spells success. Trhowing the game on f2p w/cash shop after that point and forgetting about it pisses me off but again I have NO experience with Funcom MMO's so I dunno. I think having read your posts today GoldenArrow you seem to be a fairly level headed sort of person and have even advised others to be aware so that's cool :) As consumers we always should be but in the end it's a personal decision. As long as it comes from an informed direction then it's all good.

P.S. Not buying GW2 either just so ya know

  GoldenArrow

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4/04/12 9:54:25 AM#70

Well I'm usually even more level headed than I'm about this subject. 8)

This damn game is too close to my heart so I easily fall into fanboyism or white knighting the game. :>

Truth to be told even though I bought the lifetime there's no rational way I can say why anyone else should (at this point, with the available information). I just hope the game makes it and my gamble pays off ^^

  User Deleted
4/04/12 9:55:56 AM#71
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

Well I'm usually even more level headed than I'm about this subject. 8)

This damn game is too close to my heart so I easily fall into fanboyism or white knighting the game. :>

Truth to be told even though I bought the lifetime there's no rational way I can say why anyone else should, I just hope the game makes it and my gamble pays off ^^

I hope it does then GA :) I think my eldest son will be buying it too but maybe not until release.

  Loke666

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4/04/12 10:00:03 AM#72
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

The offer will continue after launch and you can upgrade any of the versions at any given time into lifetime.

You are most certainly not forced to buy the lifetime without playing the game, that'd be silly :o

That sounds like the option for smart players then, try it out and then decide.

I never said it was a scam, just that it depended on their offer. There are plenty of silly people around who have a STO life timesub and played it for a week. 

  Terranah

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4/04/12 10:00:15 AM#73

It's just another way to make money for them.  Some like this option, so it's there for them.  Lately the way games have been though I would not consider putting box + 3 mo sub up front.  Mmos are a bad risk.

  Buttski

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4/04/12 10:03:28 AM#74

2 rules:

 

1. NEVER buy a collector's edition. You will regret it.

2. NEVER subscribe 4 life.

 

easy huh?

  Terranah

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4/04/12 10:04:49 AM#75
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by GoldenArrow

The offer will continue after launch and you can upgrade any of the versions at any given time into lifetime.

You are most certainly not forced to buy the lifetime without playing the game, that'd be silly :o

That sounds like the option for smart players then, try it out and then decide.

I never said it was a scam, just that it depended on their offer. There are plenty of silly people around who have a STO life timesub and played it for a week. 

I'm one of those silly people, hehe.  I agree in hindsight I was silly, or maybe just overzealous in my love for the IP.  No bragging, I have read easily over 100 Star Trek novels....maybe closer to 200....seen all the episodes and movies many times and have about 80 action figures, autographs etc.  Star Trek has always been one of my obsessions.

 

And yes, I have a Star Trek uniform in my closet.  LOL.

  Sovrath

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4/04/12 10:30:49 AM#76
Originally posted by //\\//\\oo
Originally posted by Sovrath

 

 

@//\\//\\oo

I don't mind that there's so little to see. In some ways I prefer it. I'm tired of not having surprises. Movie previews show the highlights to the entire movie, games seem to be huge in letting players know every litle detail.

Maybe it's a generational thing but I don't mind being "surprised". As long as I can try the game beforehand to determine whether it's something I will want to revisit then it's no issue.

 


Are you seriously telling me that, after all of the time you've been playing and watching the genre unfold you have absolutely no doubts or concerns?

I'd have a hard time believing you.

 

I don't have doubts or concerns.

Granted, we have seen these games from their earlier beginnings, at least with me it was Lineage 2 at launch. Obviously I knew of EQ but have no experience with it in its heyday.

However, my point is that I'm keyed more toward finding out about something and saying, "ok, sounds good, let's see it/experience it and see what it's about" over "ok, sounds good, let's find out every bit of information from start to finish and then I'll play all of it and then I'll make a judgment.

There was a time when things were slower and  "finding out" by indulging in the experience was kind of what you did. Remember, when I was a kid there was no cable or internet or over night delivery or ATM's or stores open on sundays and limited television channels and that was the norm. You didn't find out every bit of information and have everything at yoru fingertips.

You might want to suggest that times are different and people change wiht the times but I tend to see that people react to things in a way that is congruent wiht their upbringing.

However, I'm not dense, I know full well that games do dissapoint. However, I'm rarely dissapointed as they are always in line with what I suspect they will be. Well, except for my very first mmo experience and what I consider my second "looking forward to..." game which was Aion.

SWToR was exactly what I thought it would be and so is Tera.

I have a feeling that The Secret World will also be what I think it will be, instanced adventures sort of like SWToR, with some open world encounters much like public quests.

Players will play out their story and they will be at a loss at end game until new content is added.

Does that sound like it could be close?

  GeezerGamer

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4/04/12 10:31:57 AM#77

In all seriousness. To purchase a lifetime subscription to a game stull under NDA is simply not a good idea.

It's truly a gamble. This game should be far enough along by now where the NDA isn't needed. Is that a marketing attempt. Sort of like the Irony of the secret world still being a secret? Are they trying to protect their investment? Or are they hiding something? There are a lot of IFs. If you want to believe in Funcom, that's your perrogative. They have proven they can create a great MMO. But they have not proven that they can launch one.

Given their past, you cannot fault someone for suggesting to err on the side of caution.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Sovrath

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4/04/12 10:33:04 AM#78
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

In all seriousness. To purchase a lifetime subscription to a game stull under NDA is simply not a good idea.

well, this I would agree with. Unless you actually play the thing and get a sense of it, it would be foolish to do so.

  Fadedbomb

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4/04/12 10:33:21 AM#79

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  Tardcore

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4/04/12 10:38:11 AM#80

Paying a lifetime subscription for a product with an indeterminable lifespan is nothing short of gambling. You'd be better off sinking the same amount of money into lottery tickets or slot machines.

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