Originally posted by wormywyrm

"The Miami Herald in its Tuesday editions reported that it had obtained a Miami-Dade Schools Police Department report that showed the slain teenager was suspended in October for writing obscene graffiti on a door at his high school. During a search of his backpack, the report said, campus security officers found 12 pieces of women’s jewelry, a watch and a screwdriver that they felt could be used as a burglary tool."

So it turns out that this kid has been suspended from school 2 times before he was on suspension for the drugs when he got shot.  One of them for having women's jewelry a 'friend' gave him, but he refused to say what friend.  And people are going out to protests chanting 'I am Trayvon Martin' without educating themselves about the case at all with all the info thats been posted in this thread so far.  It is so sad.

Tacit agreement is better than none, I suppose, or not really, since we all knew damn well WHY he was in a gated community in the first place.

 That community had been victim to burglary and the guy was trying to put a stop to it. He got attacked, he panicked and shot the guy ... and we now have a hate crime.

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

 

 

Tacit agreement is better than none, I suppose, or not really, since we all knew damn well WHY he was in a gated community in the first place.

 That community had been victim to burglary and the guy was trying to put a stop to it. He got attacked, he panicked and shot the guy ... and we now have a hate crime.

 

 

 

 

Cant Americans just bust some knee caps instead of killing a person?

OMG

If I hear one more thing on this Treyvon Martin ordeal, I will shoot myself.  I am so sick of it. 

im sick and tired of the racisl bs behind it. white or black killing white or black i could careless what was the friggin intent is all i care about. its simple walk away. once me and a couple of friends got lost in the sf bay area we ended up in oakland at 2am. we got pulled over and told to follow them to the freeway because and this was a black cop saying white people shouldnt be in this area at this hour of the morning.

should i have called racism or be thankful? damn people and this color issue i hate it.i dont care what color anyone is you threaten my friends or my family i will defend them with my life. we all bleed red.

Originally posted by lyonman24

im sick and tired of the racisl bs behind it. white or black killing white or black i could careless what was the friggin intent is all i care about. its simple walk away. once me and a couple of friends got lost in the sf bay area we ended up in oakland at 2am. we got pulled over and told to follow them to the freeway because and this was a black cop saying white people shouldnt be in this area at this hour of the morning.

should i have called racism or be thankful? damn people and this color issue i hate it.i dont care what color anyone is you threaten my friends or my family i will defend them with my life. we all bleed red.

I think that cop was doing you a favor.

Their parents are not amused.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9173820/Parents-of-murdered-British-students-criticise-Barack-Obama.html

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

 

 

Tacit agreement is better than none, I suppose, or not really, since we all knew damn well WHY he was in a gated community in the first place.

 That community had been victim to burglary and the guy was trying to put a stop to it. He got attacked, he panicked and shot the guy ... and we now have a hate crime.

 

 

 

 

Cant Americans just bust some knee caps instead of killing a person?

   Well it's smarter to bring more than fists to a potential gunfight. If everyone has a gun, or somebody reaches for your gun, you'd be stupid not to shoot him first. 

Originally posted by lyonman24

im sick and tired of the racisl bs behind it. white or black killing white or black i could careless what was the friggin intent is all i care about. its simple walk away. once me and a couple of friends got lost in the sf bay area we ended up in oakland at 2am. we got pulled over and told to follow them to the freeway because and this was a black cop saying white people shouldnt be in this area at this hour of the morning.

should i have called racism or be thankful? damn people and this color issue i hate it.i dont care what color anyone is you threaten my friends or my family i will defend them with my life. we all bleed red.

   I've also been to Oakland,Ca. It's more than likely that that cop saved your life. Be very, very grateful.

   People almost die weekly there and it's not unusual to hear gunfire daily. It's amazing that I've lived in so many shitty places and haven't been robbed yet, but I'm a very careful person.

   If you recklessly drive around those areas, you're asking for trouble.

Originally posted by kobie173

 

Clearly that picture illustrates that Trayvon Martin deserved to be followed through a neighborhood and shot dead.

Pure character assassination of a dead kid.

   You make it sound as if he were murdered i.e. Zimmerman had followed him with the intent of killing him. If he had, then why did he call the police?

   Completely neglecting Trayvons intentions, it's not obvious that Zimmerman had murdered him. If Zimmerman had had a criminal record, we certainly would have heard about it by now and if Zimmerman had been connected to Trayvon in some way the police would have launched a real investigation (if it had been drug related).

The fact that he not only called in Trayvon, but also remained at the crime scene implies that it was not likely premeditated. What really rules out first degree murder entirely is that Trayvon managed to get in a scuffle with the shooter before he was killed; if Zimmerman had intended to kill him he would have shot him before he got close enough to get the chance.

So now we're at second degree murder, tops.

Trayvons assault of Zimmerman prior to the shooting makes it VERY easy to argue that it was a voluntary manslaughter, since any combination of fear, panic and adrenaline are really sufficient to warrant a defense.

Therefore it's at most a voluntary manslaughter and at least self-defense. You and your friends can stop rallying against the hate crime of the decade, please. Although I'm sure any rational person in Zimmermans position would have done the same; had Trayvon been anything other than black it never would have made headlines.

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

Originally posted by kobie173

 

Clearly that picture illustrates that Trayvon Martin deserved to be followed through a neighborhood and shot dead.

Pure character assassination of a dead kid.

   

   You make it sound as if he were murdered i.e. Zimmerman had followed him with the intent of killing him. If he had, then why did he call the police?

 

 

   Completely neglecting Trayvons intentions, it's not obvious that Zimmerman had murdered him. If Zimmerman had had a criminal record, we certainly would have heard about it by now and if Zimmerman had been connected to Trayvon in some way the police would have launched a real investigation (if it had been drug related).

The fact that he not only called in Trayvon, but also remained at the crime scene implies that it was not likely premeditated. What really rules out first degree murder entirely is that Trayvon managed to get in a scuffle with the shooter before he was killed; if Zimmerman had intended to kill him he would have shot him before he got close enough to get the chance.

So now we're at second degree murder, tops.

 

 

Trayvons assault of Zimmerman prior to the shooting makes it VERY easy to argue that it was a voluntary manslaughter, since any combination of fear, panic and adrenaline are really sufficient to warrant a defense.

 

 

Therefore it's at most a voluntary manslaughter and at least self-defense. You and your friends can stop rallying against the hate crime of the decade, please. Although I'm sure any rational person in Zimmermans position would have done the same; had Trayvon been anything other than black it never would have made headlines.

 

 

 

 

 

You are accusing me of saying things I never said. Learn to read, please.

It kinda makes me think of car accidents.  Sometimes one person causes them... but a lot of the time it is the result of two drivers not being fully aware of their surroundings.  Often one can be responsible for the accident but both could have prevented it if they had made better choices.

I was rear ended by someone recently...  I was in my 4 wheel drive truck and we were driving in the snow.  I stopped for a fire truck and when I did I felt my tires slip a little bit despite having 4 wheel drive on.  I didn't look in my rear view mirror once, and if I had, I would have seen the truck behind me sliding into me.  He had been driving a little too close and did not have snow chains on or 4 wheel drive.  He was at 'fault' but I feel that I messed up too.  Neither of us will make the mistake again, probably.  It is sad that Trayvon had to die instead of learning a lesson.  I am sure zimmerman has learnt a lesson, lol.  If he tried to go on a neighborhood patrol at this point I think he'd be killed by d.a. activists...

To me it's a shame that it happened. Did it have to, or need to happen? Did it avert some unforseen future trajedy? Did it cut off a life destined for good things?

Whatever the answers to any of those, or other questions, it happened. Who was right ? Who was wrong? I dont know, I wasn't there.

Did the dead guy see a gun and then fight for his life? Did the shooter see a threat then leave his property with a firearm, to protect his neighbors?

Lots of things I dont like about this deal.

Personally I got no buisness leaving my property with a gun over someone looking suspicious down the street, if thats what happened.

There should be a trial, to determine the legality's of the action, I mean an unarmed person, was killed, and was not in the comission of a crime, prior to his encounter with the shooter, as far as we know.

Bottom line for now, You tote a gun around off your property looking for trouble, nine times out of ten, you'll find it, and likely, someones gonna  be dead.

And dead is bad. In fact, it don't get any worse.

Originally posted by xxtriadxx

It illustrates that he is not 11! like he is in all the media pictures.

 Trayvnon Martin ended up dead because Trayvon Martin decided to attack someone...and that is what all the evidence and witnesses show.....Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin died for it.

Trayvon Martin was stalked by a vigilante for the crime of Walking While Black, defended himself against a perceived threat and got blown away.

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by xxtriadxx

It illustrates that he is not 11! like he is in all the media pictures.

 Trayvnon Martin ended up dead because Trayvon Martin decided to attack someone...and that is what all the evidence and witnesses show.....Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin died for it.

Trayvon Martin was stalked by a vigilante for the crime of Walking While Black, defended himself against a perceived threat and got blown away.

Really? You're stooping to using that phrase? Did you happen to read about the 8 robberies committed in the last 15 months in that neighborhood which all involved "young black males"? Martin fit a profile of a suspicious person and he was followed for that reason alone. Yes, young black male was the profile for robberies in the area. It wasn't young white males, young hispanic males, young asian males, or young black female - all robberies were attributed to young black males. It's nothing racist - its simple statistics.

In regards to the article I posted above, should I use the term Walking While White for the two white males who were shot because the guy thought they were "crackas in the projects"? 

Using terminiology like that is race pimping at its finest.

Per the ROC, please refrain from political debates in this thread.  Thanks.

The only problem with this is that people reach for guns to easily.  I mean honestly if he would have had a non-lethal wepaon none of this would have happened.  

I live in louisiana and the cops here pull guns out if you sneeze in thier direction, its ridculous. 

In fact I have personal experience with this.  Me and my friend where contacted by another person via facebook, he wanted to hang out but we didn't know exactly where he lived.  He told us what subdivision he lived in and said he'd be there in about 5 minutes.  Not thinking it a big deal I, I parked my car in front of a house and waited for him.  Now from 2 houses over I see this man walking towards me, I roll down my window and he starts yelling what the hell am I doing parked in the road.  I tell him I'm waiting for a friend and he freaks out, says he was robbed a week before and that he was a cop.  His wife then comes out (who also happened to be a cop) and starts video taping the whole thing and asks me and my friends name.  Now calmly we tell them our names and say why we were there and after about 3-5 minutes of being cursed at my friend starts to roll down his window to try and talk to the wife.  When this happened the guy cop pulled out his gun and put it to my face and at that point I hit the gas and never looked back.  

I know the whole situation could have been avoided if I knew the address of the persons house we were going to, but he lived only 10 minutes away and we both live in suburbs so people parking on the side of the rode isn't really a foriegn thing.  The whole point of me telling you this story though is to get accross the point that we head to lethal force to easily in a supposed civilized country.  It really is disgusting what some people think is justice.

Originally posted by Hauvarn

The only problem with this is that people reach for guns to easily.  I mean honestly if he would have had a non-lethal wepaon none of this would have happened.  

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I know the whole situation could have been avoided if I knew the address of the persons house we were going to, but he lived only 10 minutes away and we both live in suburbs so people parking on the side of the rode isn't really a foriegn thing.  The whole point of me telling you this story though is to get accross the point that we head to lethal force to easily in a supposed civilized country.  It really is disgusting what some people think is justice.

    Look, if people didn't act like stupid animals and commit violent crimes on a daily basis with firearms, cops wouldn't be forced to act like that.

You should see a police officer in a country with no crime; sure, they're assholes, but they are not used to being in constant fear of their lives.

Every state should be like Texas in that respect: If a person assaults you, you should have the right to defend yourself with lethal force. If you see somebody on your neighbors property when you've been given explicit orders to keep everybody out and you can ascertain that whoever it is is up to no good, let them have it.

American prisons are overrun; they have proven that rehabilitation is impossible. 

If capital punishment were doled out indiscriminately, we wouldn't have these problems.

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

   Well it's smarter to bring more than fists to a potential gunfight. If everyone has a gun, or somebody reaches for your gun, you'd be stupid not to shoot him first. 

 

I meant shooting the aggressors knee caps.

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

Originally posted by Hauvarn

The only problem with this is that people reach for guns to easily.  I mean honestly if he would have had a non-lethal wepaon none of this would have happened.  

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I know the whole situation could have been avoided if I knew the address of the persons house we were going to, but he lived only 10 minutes away and we both live in suburbs so people parking on the side of the rode isn't really a foriegn thing.  The whole point of me telling you this story though is to get accross the point that we head to lethal force to easily in a supposed civilized country.  It really is disgusting what some people think is justice.

 

    Look, if people didn't act like stupid animals and commit violent crimes on a daily basis with firearms, cops wouldn't be forced to act like that.

You should see a police officer in a country with no crime; sure, they're assholes, but they are not used to being in constant fear of their lives.

Every state should be like Texas in that respect: If a person assaults you, you should have the right to defend yourself with lethal force. If you see somebody on your neighbors property when you've been given explicit orders to keep everybody out and you can ascertain that whoever it is is up to no good, let them have it.

American prisons are overrun; they have proven that rehabilitation is impossible. 

 

If capital punishment were doled out indiscriminately, we wouldn't have these problems.

 

So shoot first ask questions later? got it. If zimmerman had a tazer he could have incapacitated the teenager, instead he shot him with a gun and killed him.  

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by xxtriadxx

It illustrates that he is not 11! like he is in all the media pictures.

 Trayvnon Martin ended up dead because Trayvon Martin decided to attack someone...and that is what all the evidence and witnesses show.....Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin died for it.

Trayvon Martin was stalked by a vigilante for the crime of Walking While Black, defended himself against a perceived threat and got blown away.

LOL...accoding to who?..Al Sharpton?