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  Dragonantis

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4/03/12 10:16:56 AM#41

Everyone pays for thier actions one way or another. This man is no different.

  n3v3rriv3r

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4/03/12 10:18:19 AM#42

"some" and you didnt... oh how cute


  Dinasty

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4/03/12 10:20:40 AM#43

I took nothing away from this article at all. The author is quite the windbag for sure.


 


For one, he should get a permanent ban. This "temp ban" is a freaking joke, CCP is a failure here.


And two, who gives a crap if it affects his real life? If you're a pathetic enough person to dish out the douchbaggery, whether it be in the virtual world or real, be ready and willing to face the consequences... period.


  RefMinor

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4/03/12 10:20:44 AM#44
Originally posted by SkexRelbore

Originally posted by Ecoces


Originally posted by SkexRelbore




It's called playing the game.




http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html




"Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.






 



um playing the game is one thing, going to a party for the game and telling the people there to harrass this guy and try to get him to commit suicide IS cyber bullying.


I can't believe people are defending this guy. you guys really make the rest of us gamers look bad by confirming the whole gamer stereotype of being bottom feeding no life losers.



 


No it's not. It may constitute harrassment but it's not cyberbullying.  Cyberbullying is a very specific thing that takes place between minors not adults.


Calling this incident "Cyberbullying" is a missuse of the term. 


Oh and I guess I didn't make it clear enough that the quote you decided to reply too is a cut and past from the stopcyberbullying website.


Talk about making gamers look bad. 


 

And The National Crime Prevention Council defines it as "when the Internet, cell phones or other devices are used to send or post text or images intended to hurt or embarrass another person" Other researchers use similar language to describe the phenomenon with no age definition.

 

We can all produce quotes and definitions, as someone who deals with workplace grievances I can produce many studies of workplace bullying which by definition cannot be limited to children and yet are still defined as bullying.
  Talonsin

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4/03/12 10:23:17 AM#45
Originally posted by SkexRelbore

http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html


"Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.

 

You are so wrong on so many counts that it would take me much longer than I am willing to spend to help you sort out your mixed up ideas.  Let me start by posting this:

 

The term "cyberbullying" was first coined and defined by Canadian educator and anti-bullying activist Bill Belsey, as "the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others." 

 

The website you quoted is devoted to stopping teen cyberbullying hence they use the word teen it in their definition.  Most adults are not committing suicide from cyberbullying like teens are so the organization you quoted focuses on young adults.  Your analogy about James Earl Jones is complete nonsense since Mr. Jones did not ask people to email an emotionally unstable person and tell them to commit suicide.  A better analogy would be if Mittani found a kid with down syndrome who liked to eat boogers and then asked thousands of people to mail the kid boogers because he thought it was funny.  Either way, Mittani personally and NOT IN GAME asked thousands of real people (MANY OF WHOM ARE IN HIS ALLIANCE AND DO WHATEVER HE SAYS) to convince a known emotionally unstable person to take his own life. 

You can paint it any way you like but it was wrong and regardless of the apology, shows what kind of person Alex truely is.

 

 

  haplo602

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4/03/12 10:24:47 AM#46

Ross: Learn to write. If a person NOT familiar with the story tries to read your piece, they have no clue what you are talking about. Even one familiar with the story has trouble extracting any meaning from you piece.


 


To the topic at hand: This is just stupid overreaction. It's the usual metagaming scenario we can see often ingame and on the forums.


  Madimorga

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4/03/12 10:25:05 AM#47
While I don't play Eve, I often read your column. You have a richly beautiful style that shows great respect for the written word and for the intelligence of your readers.

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  haplo602

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4/03/12 10:27:08 AM#48

Originally posted by Talonsin


Originally posted by SkexRelbore


http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html




"Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.


 



You are so wrong on so many counts that it would take me much longer than I am willing to spend to help you sort out your mixed up ideas.  Let me start by posting this:


 


The term "cyberbullying" was first coined and defined by Canadian educator and anti-bullying activist Bill Belsey, as "the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others." 


 


The website you quoted is devoted to stopping teen cyberbullying hence they use the word teen it in their definition.  Most adults are not committing suicide from cyberbullying like teens are so the organization you quoted focuses on young adults.  Your analogy about James Earl Jones is complete nonsense since Mr. Jones did not ask people to email an emotionally unstable person and tell them to commit suicide.  A better analogy would be if Mittani found a kid with down syndrome who liked to eat boogers and then asked thousands of people to mail the kid boogers because he thought it was funny.  Either way, Mittani personally and NOT IN GAME asked thousands of real people (MANY OF WHOM ARE IN HIS ALLIANCE AND DO WHATEVER HE SAYS) to convince a known emotionally unstable person to take his own life. 


You can paint it any way you like but it was wrong and regardless of the apology, shows what kind of person Alex truely is.


 


 



 


And if this was done on the forums and not at fanfest, would that make a difference ? The message would be the same, the audience would be the same, the participants would be the same. But nobody would give a damn.


  Faelan

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4/03/12 10:30:47 AM#49

Originally posted by bunnyhopper


Originally posted by Faelan


I'm so done with EVE. Not just the community which really showed its true colors this time around, but CCPs vision of the game which is so incompatible with what I want out of the game. Just a shame there's no good sandbox or space MMO alternative. But perhaps that's good for CCP, if you know what I mean.



There's no good sandbox space alternative because without the ffa, looting and political backstabbing there would be fuck all depth to the game in comparison to EVE. If you know what I mean.



 


I don't see why sandbox can't be done without FFA PvP. It would be different. It may not have the kind of depth you're looking for, but I'm sure it could be done with other kinds of depth that doesn't revolve around Internet drama and people being d*ckheads. But this is nor really a discussion suitable for this thread, so I'll leave it at that.


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  SkexRelbore

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4/03/12 10:46:05 AM#50

Originally posted by RefMinor

 


Hitting someone's ships in game is not bullying, using a public platform to call on people to do so in game with the stated aim of trying to get him to kill himself is a form of bullying, quite simple, comparing it to an actor in form of passive entertainment is a specious argument. I have no hatred of the Mittani, I don't regularly play eve, but both myself and the Mittani can see his actions were very wrong, but others seem hell bent on justifying or minimising them.

 


 


Do you even read what you are replying to? As I said The Mittani stepped over the line he recognizes that he stepped over that line and took actions to correct his mistake.


But those who are calling this cyberbullying are for one misusing the term (which has a specific definition that makes it clear that it doesn't apply in this case) further those who continue to engage in character assasination of the person behind the character and most especially those who feel justified in making real life threats against the man and his family over the actions of his in game persona are doing something much much worse and far more vile than what Alex did when playing the part of The Mittani on the alliance pannel. 


It comes down to what you think Alex's intent was, and whether you think Alex thought that The Wis was sincere in his threat (turned out he wasn't sincere at all BTW) . If he thought it was a sincere threat then yeah it's a pretty awful thing to say. However if he thought The Wis was just blowing smoke then it was just a dumb thing to say.


The question is whether Alex's actions were dumb or evil. Personaly I fall on the thinking it was just dumb side. It was dumb because it should have been obvious how people would take it. It was dumb because of the risk that he may have been wrong on his read of The Wis's intent and the fact that  the downside of being wrong was far greater than the satisfaction of being right.


People do dumb things all the damned time, even otherwise smart people. But we don't tar and feather every person who does so nor do we permanently pin inappropriate labels on them. 


Oh and what's different between an actor playing a role and a gamer role playing a character? The Mittani is a character that Alex plays just as Skex is a Character I play. I'm not a spaceship captain any more than The Mittani is the king of a space empire. The only difference between that an what an actor does is who writes the script. 


EVE is a GAME, It is a game that takes place in a setting where immmortals try to destroy and undermine each other to their own profit. It's a ruthless world where the most valuable commodity is trust. In this world The Mittani is the leader of most despised group of bad guys in the game who are known for scamming, suicide ganking and general asshattery. 


The alliance pannel is an extension of that game. The people on it are all there in their respective "roles" so it's not particularly suprising or unexpected that there would be some bleed over of in game persona's. It was an alliance pannel with a presentation about the alliance as such Alex was clearly in the "role" of The Mittani (again the wizard's hat should be your first clue that the context was in character).


Understand, I'm not justifying what Alex did, it was dumb everyone pretty much admits it was dumb. But it wasn't evil and it wasn't cyberbullying. 


 


 


  keddren

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4/03/12 10:57:01 AM#51

Originally posted by Talonsin














 Either way, Mittani personally and NOT IN GAME asked thousands of real people (MANY OF WHOM ARE IN HIS ALLIANCE AND DO WHATEVER HE SAYS) to convince a known emotionally unstable person to take his own life







Except that's bullshit.  The story broke days after the event in question.  When contacted, the victim (who the author of this piece misidentified as a scam victim, by the way) said that he had not heard about the incident and that he had not been contacted by anyone.  








So it turns out you're wrong and stupid and should feel bad about spreading disinformation.








 







Edit: fuck me the formating on this comment system is retarded.





 




 

  Opapanax

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4/03/12 10:57:29 AM#52

I don't know what to say about this article. It's a view I think that leans more towards the thinking of the Mintanni himself. I'm not going to knock you for that it..


But you glazed over the fact that Mintanni tried to make something that is an issue on the interwebz of the United States and abroad. He attempted to make that act of cybrer-bullying look e-cool or just alright to do in general.


It is fair to say that art imitates life and all that. It's fair to say that Mintanni could be seen as a sort of proxy for CCP, but it's not like it's all been one sided. He gets to fly to Iceland and chill with some IRL game developers of his most beloved IP.


So it's not like Mintanni is spoon feeding CCP anything they couldn't garnish from someone else with just as much love for the game and there are many. I don't mind him being banned for 30 days it was fair. They could've thrown him completely to the "wolves" if that's how Mintanni and others really feel. They could've opened up some other loop-holes in their system to punish him further.


I'm gonna judge the reaction CCP and others had thats goes different for everyone, but cyber-bullying and tryna make the shit seem like something made up or the joked about amongst a large audiance is not right.. He's not a damn comedian.


 


We can watch Hunger Games in theaters Full HD, but Bully gives your kiddies nightmares? 


LoL.. Goes to show how wild stuff is out here.


PM before you report at least or you could just block.

  BigHatLogan

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4/03/12 11:02:47 AM#53

Killing someone in a game is not cyberbullying no matter how crazy they are.  Getting other people to kill someone in a game is not cyberbullying either. 





 

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  wickymagee

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4/03/12 11:06:53 AM#54

While I by no means condone The Mittani's behavior he has appologized and tried to make restitution for what he did.  We now need to let this matter go and move on.


  Opapanax

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4/03/12 11:08:44 AM#55

That's the thing here. He was trying to incite the gentlement to hurt himself OUT of game.. and OOC (Out of Character)..


PM before you report at least or you could just block.

  SkexRelbore

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4/03/12 11:09:19 AM#56

Originally posted by Talonsin


 

You are so wrong on so many counts that it would take me much longer than I am willing to spend to help you sort out your mixed up ideas.  Let me start by posting this:


 


The term "cyberbullying" was first coined and defined by Canadian educator and anti-bullying activist Bill Belsey, as "the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others." 


 


The website you quoted is devoted to stopping teen cyberbullying hence they use the word teen it in their definition.  Most adults are not committing suicide from cyberbullying like teens are so the organization you quoted focuses on young adults.  Your analogy about James Earl Jones is complete nonsense since Mr. Jones did not ask people to email an emotionally unstable person and tell them to commit suicide.  A better analogy would be if Mittani found a kid with down syndrome who liked to eat boogers and then asked thousands of people to mail the kid boogers because he thought it was funny.  Either way, Mittani personally and NOT IN GAME asked thousands of real people (MANY OF WHOM ARE IN HIS ALLIANCE AND DO WHATEVER HE SAYS) to convince a known emotionally unstable person to take his own life. 


You can paint it any way you like but it was wrong and regardless of the apology, shows what kind of person Alex truely is.


 


 



 


You're an idiot if you think that this incident says anything about what kind of person Alex truely is. Get a grip or go get help. It's a friggin game it's a game that has a well known and well deserved reputation for a certain kind of ruthless play. and those who can't recognize this are the ones who have the real problem.


While I don't know Alex personally what I do know about the man playing The Mittani tells me that you are wrong in your assesment of what kind of person he is. 


The idea that you can judge what kind of person an individual is based on a single incident in an unique circumstance is just stupidity. 


Judging a person based on the behavior of a fictional persona is beyond deluded. 


  Opapanax

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4/03/12 11:09:22 AM#57

Word #LetItGo


PM before you report at least or you could just block.

  WhiteLantern

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4/03/12 11:12:52 AM#58

Every time I read an article about Eve, the words of Billy Corrigan come to mind:


 


 


The world is a vampire..............


I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  keddren

Novice Member

Joined: 3/06/12
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4/03/12 11:16:18 AM#59



Originally posted by RefMinor






Originally posted by SkexRelbore










Originally posted by Ecoces
















Originally posted by SkexRelbore





















It's called playing the game.
















http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html
















"Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.
























 









um playing the game is one thing, going to a party for the game and telling the people there to harrass this guy and try to get him to commit suicide IS cyber bullying.








I can't believe people are defending this guy. you guys really make the rest of us gamers look bad by confirming the whole gamer stereotype of being bottom feeding no life losers.















 








No it's not. It may constitute harrassment but it's not cyberbullying.  Cyberbullying is a very specific thing that takes place between minors not adults.








Calling this incident "Cyberbullying" is a missuse of the term. 








Oh and I guess I didn't make it clear enough that the quote you decided to reply too is a cut and past from the stopcyberbullying website.








Talk about making gamers look bad. 





 




And The National Crime Prevention Council defines it as "when the Internet, cell phones or other devices are used to send or post text or images intended to hurt or embarrass another person" Other researchers use similar language to describe the phenomenon with no age definition.

 




We can all produce quotes and definitions, as someone who deals with workplace grievances I can produce many studies of workplace bullying which by definition cannot be limited to children and yet are still defined as bullying.




 




The NCPC's page on cyberbullying is clearly directed towards teen victims.  





 

  Ozmodan

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Joined: 2/27/07
Posts: 6577

4/03/12 11:24:09 AM#60
Originally posted by SkexRelbore

Originally posted by Ecoces


Originally posted by SkexRelbore




It's called playing the game.




http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html




"Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.






 


um playing the game is one thing, going to a party for the game and telling the people there to harrass this guy and try to get him to commit suicide IS cyber bullying.


I can't believe people are defending this guy. you guys really make the rest of us gamers look bad by confirming the whole gamer stereotype of being bottom feeding no life losers.



 

No it's not. It may constitute harrassment but it's not cyberbullying.  Cyberbullying is a very specific thing that takes place between minors not adults.


Calling this incident "Cyberbullying" is a missuse of the term. 


Oh and I guess I didn't make it clear enough that the quote you decided to reply too is a cut and past from the stopcyberbullying website.


Talk about making gamers look bad. 

Bullying is bullying so quit trying to split hairs.  There has never been a age limit on bullys.   It was quite obvious bullying occurred here.  Stop trying to defend the undefendable.  Trying to attach real world actions to a fictional character is ludicrous, unless of course the originator has significant mental issues.

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