Originally posted by Druft

Originally posted by melangel

Originally posted by Druft

Yeah right :D Such a poor child to have over 20 accounts for grinding money in even and then crying about suicide to the biggest griefer in EVE...  Such stupid hypocracy... Someone would talk about a random dude with 20 accounts to same online game all grinding money, most people would just call him a useless **** and tell him to get help... Now because he gets killed in the game and whines about his life being bad, suddenly everyone is "awwww, poor player"... Yah right...

Trying to justify this in any way is not helpful in the slightest.

 

Seeing as you said you are not an EVE player... Tell me what is the most horrible thing about this case?

The fact that 1 person got drunk and gave another players character name to other people and told them to spam that person? Since thats all that happened really...

Originally posted by melangel

Originally posted by Druft

Seeing as you said you are not an EVE player... Tell me what is the most horrible thing about this case?

The fact that 1 person got drunk and gave another players character name to other people and told them to spam that person? Since thats all that happened really...

I'm not even going to answer your question. Perhaps you can search hard and answer it yourself. The man in question admited his wrong doing, apologised and I agree people should move on. The ones who can't admit that he admitted wrong doing are the ones I worry about more.

 

What he did was wrong, yes and he admitted he was wrong, yes.(in his way...)(http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-march "I'm a jedi like obi-wan kenobi") But was the thing he did worth all the attention it has been getting as the most horrifying this sliced bread? No, not really.

Originally posted by RefMinor
I disagree fundamentally with this article, using a public platform which was being broadcast over the internet to call on people to harrass someone who may have mental health issues with the stated aim of trying to get him to commit suicide, even if said in poor jest, is inexcusable and is in no way diminished by associated misreporting or the glee taken by his in game enemies. The writer of this article should be ashamed at having written this.

Oh my, let it go.... I think you have managed to put across your rage about it all in the last 'over 9000!' posts you have made about the subject.

Perhaps make moaning about it part of your sig or something.

Originally posted by Druft

What he did was wrong, yes and he admitted he was wrong, yes.(in his way...) But was the thing he did worth all the attention it has been getting as the most horrifying this sliced bread? No, not really.

Now you are into the what if's I'm afraid. I've little doubt he's had some what if's of his own swimming around his head. Perhaps CCP has as well or the other person involved has also. What if it had never been said? What if it had never been broadcast? What if the other person had never written what he did to the OP in game? What if this had never become big news? What if it had just all gone away quietly? It's pointless to think that way because it is what it is now. And that's not going to change by pages of discussion.

Its amazing how people manage to find ways to do the wrong thing even in a self contained, apparently harmless medium like an mmo.

This reminds me somewht of the story of the funeral in a pvp server in wow. Seems we are capable of hurting people no matter how, where or when.

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

Originally posted by RefMinor
I disagree fundamentally with this article, using a public platform which was being broadcast over the internet to call on people to harrass someone who may have mental health issues with the stated aim of trying to get him to commit suicide, even if said in poor jest, is inexcusable and is in no way diminished by associated misreporting or the glee taken by his in game enemies. The writer of this article should be ashamed at having written this.

Oh my, let it go.... I think you have managed to put across your rage about it all in the last 'over 9000!' posts you have made about the subject.

 

Perhaps make moaning about it part of your sig or something.

Eve the most hardcore game out there.

Life's are ruined in a split second.

Moments of victory are shared between brothers.

Miners smoking pot all day while bashing rocks hours on end.

What The Mitany did was not something to be proud of, and he said he was sorry.

He used his position in a bad way and should be punished a little.

But things like this and much worse things happens evryday in eve....so i dont understand the fuzz about it tbh.

Ive lost ships worth months of farming in a blink of an eye by not playing it save.

Eve aint no home for cry baby's and weak at hart players, its a dog eat dog world and even the hunted get hunted.

Take it like a man and move on.

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

Originally posted by RefMinor

Oh my, let it go.... I think you have managed to put across your rage about it all in the last 'over 9000!' posts you have made about the subject.

 

Perhaps make moaning about it part of your sig or something.

 

After every post I let it go, but then someone seems to wait a while and then makes a dumb post and the circle repeats.

So you think repeating yourself ad nauseam is going to actually make people change their minds on here then? Perhaps commendable, certainly delusional.

Maybe the "circle wouldn't repeat" if you just ignored what you consider to be dumb posts after the nth time of trying to explain the same view point?

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by bunnyhopper

Originally posted by RefMinor

Oh my, let it go.... I think you have managed to put across your rage about it all in the last 'over 9000!' posts you have made about the subject.

 

Perhaps make moaning about it part of your sig or something.

 

After every post I let it go, but then someone seems to wait a while and then makes a dumb post and the circle repeats.

So you think repeating yourself ad nauseam is going to actually make people change their minds on here then? Perhaps commendable, certainly delusional.

 

Maybe the "circle wouldn't repeat" if you just ignored what you consider to be dumb posts after the nth time of trying to explain the same view point?

 

Gee Ross, LEARN to write!  It was painstaking trying to extract the storyline out of that dialog.

I am always amazed that players think they can trust the goons, when they are completely untrustworthy.  As to Eve, as usual, everything gets blown out of proportion.  It is both sad and amusing at the same time.

Originally posted by Zaltark

Eve breeds cyber bullies. Have yal played the game? All you do is gank unknown people.

that is not true. I have played and never ganked anyone - I mined and avoided being ganked.  Is there a contingent of gankers in game - of course would full loot whole word pvp game doesn't have them?  It is not the only thing you can do in game nor does  everyone do it.  That is my experience with the game that I am sharing.  Wonder if you have played the game? Just asking.

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I'm so done with EVE. Not just the community which really showed its true colors this time around, but CCPs vision of the game which is so incompatible with what I want out of the game. Just a shame there's no good sandbox or space MMO alternative. But perhaps that's good for CCP, if you know what I mean.

The reason for this is there is no free speech, and never has been, say something thats not agreed by the masses and you'll be censored so fast your feet won't touch the ground.

Upshot being you don't dare say anything thats not mainstream in fear of being flamed to death.

Here's a qoute for those who know and sums it up rather succinctly:

 "...Go back to bed, America. Your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. Here. Here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed, America. Here is American Gladiators. Here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their fucking skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go, America! You are free to do as we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!.."

If you believe something say it, you can only be wrong, you might even be right, but it's your right to speak and be heard, right or wrong.

EVE is a game about blowing up each others stuff. Someone who can't grasp that really needs to find a new game to play. Anyone who threatens suicide over the loss of assets in this game really really needs to find a new game to play. 

I personally think it was obvious that The MIttani didn't believe that The Wis was sincere in his threats as such I don't veiw his statement so much as an incitement to "bully" someoene with mental health problems but rather as a suggestion to call his bluff. 

The Jager and the circumstances just made it seem meaner than the actual intent.

Further calling someone playing a game in the way the game is designed to be played a "cyber bully" really dminishes the term.

Suicide ganking a guy with a fleet of 20 mackinaws in EVE (can you say botter?) is not cyber bullying. Even telling your alliance and buddies to do so is not cyber bullying.

It's called playing the game.

http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html

"Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.

Neither party in this incident were minors so it was by definition not cyber bullying.

Did The MIttani's actions cross a line? Well The Mittani seemed to think so, so I'll defer to him. He felt bad enough over his actions once he sobered up and everything sunk in that in addition to issuing both a public and private appology and resigning his CSM Chairmanship he also sent the "victim" a substantial sum of in game currency (about $700 worth).  

Honestly the appology and isk should have been enough. But no not for those who only care about this issue as a tool to continue their vendetta's against The Mittani. Those who go on about how awful his behavior was while making threats against his wife and dog in order to "teach him a lesson". 

And there is the fundamental truth of all this. None of the holier than thou bloviators care about the supposed victim in all this, they don't care about bullying or griefing all they see is a chance to tear down a hated enemy.  

Alex plays a bad guy in a video game and for one short moment under very specific circumstances he slipped and let his in game character manifest into his real world words and even then it should have been obvious that he was speaking "in character" he was wearing a wizard's hat FFS! 

The actions of his enemies are many times worse than what The Mittani has done, they've allowed their hatred of the Character cloud their view of the human playing it and have made real life threats against people who have no presense in the game world what so ever because of that hatred. 

Seriously, hating Alex over the actions of The Mittani is like hating James Earle Jones over the actions of Darth Vader. But we've got people playing this game who are so unballanced that they don't see this. And they claim he's the sociopath.

Originally posted by Mothanos

But things like this and much worse things happens evryday in eve....so i dont understand the fuzz about it tbh.

Ive lost ships worth months of farming in a blink of an eye by not playing it save.

 

yes you losing months of farming time is MUCH worse than some jackass telling everyone they should try to get this guy to commit suicide.

i think what video game players forget is to most people we're dorks, nerds and wastes of society. most people if you told them you spent the weekend getting money in a video game would give you a funny look and treat you as a no life loser. remember that next time you feel like you're better than another player, you're playing a video game you're a button pusher nothing more. thats my favorite comeback when some gaming "pro" tries to insult me

"haha i kicked you're a** ... you suck!"

"grats on being able to push buttons better than i can"

now don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with playing video games but when you get to the point where you think you're some "pro" player or l33t raider or even take it to the extreme that Mittani or whatever his name is did ... you need a reality check.

Originally posted by SkexRelbore

It's called playing the game.

http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html

"Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.

 

um playing the game is one thing, going to a party for the game and telling the people there to harrass this guy and try to get him to commit suicide IS cyber bullying.

I can't believe people are defending this guy. you guys really make the rest of us gamers look bad by confirming the whole gamer stereotype of being bottom feeding no life losers.

Originally posted by SkexRelbore

EVE is a game about blowing up each others stuff. Someone who can't grasp that really needs to find a new game to play. Anyone who threatens suicide over the loss of assets in this game really really needs to find a new game to play. 

I personally think it was obvious that The MIttani didn't believe that The Wis was sincere in his threats as such I don't veiw his statement so much as an incitement to "bully" someoene with mental health problems but rather as a suggestion to call his bluff. 

The Jager and the circumstances just made it seem meaner than the actual intent.

Further calling someone playing a game in the way the game is designed to be played a "cyber bully" really dminishes the term.

Suicide ganking a guy with a fleet of 20 mackinaws in EVE (can you say botter?) is not cyber bullying. Even telling your alliance and buddies to do so is not cyber bullying.

It's called playing the game.

http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html

"Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.

Neither party in this incident were minors so it was by definition not cyber bullying.

 

Did The MIttani's actions cross a line? Well The Mittani seemed to think so, so I'll defer to him. He felt bad enough over his actions once he sobered up and everything sunk in that in addition to issuing both a public and private appology and resigning his CSM Chairmanship he also sent the "victim" a substantial sum of in game currency (about $700 worth).  

Honestly the appology and isk should have been enough. But no not for those who only care about this issue as a tool to continue their vendetta's against The Mittani. Those who go on about how awful his behavior was while making threats against his wife and dog in order to "teach him a lesson". 

And there is the fundamental truth of all this. None of the holier than thou bloviators care about the supposed victim in all this, they don't care about bullying or griefing all they see is a chance to tear down a hated enemy.  

Alex plays a bad guy in a video game and for one short moment under very specific circumstances he slipped and let his in game character manifest into his real world words and even then it should have been obvious that he was speaking "in character" he was wearing a wizard's hat FFS! 

The actions of his enemies are many times worse than what The Mittani has done, they've allowed their hatred of the Character cloud their view of the human playing it and have made real life threats against people who have no presense in the game world what so ever because of that hatred. 

Seriously, hating Alex over the actions of The Mittani is like hating James Earle Jones over the actions of Darth Vader. But we've got people playing this game who are so unballanced that they don't see this. And they claim he's the sociopath.

 

 

Originally posted by Ecoces

Originally posted by SkexRelbore

It's called playing the game.

http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html

"Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.

 

um playing the game is one thing, going to a party for the game and telling the people there to harrass this guy and try to get him to commit suicide IS cyber bullying.

I can't believe people are defending this guy. you guys really make the rest of us gamers look bad by confirming the whole gamer stereotype of being bottom feeding no life losers.

 

No it's not. It may constitute harrassment but it's not cyberbullying.  Cyberbullying is a very specific thing that takes place between minors not adults.

Calling this incident "Cyberbullying" is a missuse of the term. 

Oh and I guess I didn't make it clear enough that the quote you decided to reply too is a cut and past from the stopcyberbullying website.

Talk about making gamers look bad. 

Originally posted by Faelan

I'm so done with EVE. Not just the community which really showed its true colors this time around, but CCPs vision of the game which is so incompatible with what I want out of the game. Just a shame there's no good sandbox or space MMO alternative. But perhaps that's good for CCP, if you know what I mean.

There's no good sandbox space alternative because without the ffa, looting and political backstabbing there would be fuck all depth to the game in comparison to EVE. If you know what I mean.