Originally posted by Ankur

Originally posted by Tamanous

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by Sylvarii

Originally posted by azrael466

 but I warn everyone who wants to buy this game to be aware this has happened before. It was a game called SWTOR..

Yeah, it was a game called swtor which you bought and supported.In fact you supported it so much that you accused anyone who didn't share you over the top support for the game a troll.

You keep keep your warning because it can't be taken seriously.

Many Tor supporters either dissapeared or are trolling other games now like they are the living example of a game gone wrong, oh wait....

Anyways, he seems to be looking foward to TSW judging by his avatar. Hope he doesn't get his hopes up.

So many people can't seem to get past their schoolyard mentality. You don't have to pick sides and everyone with differing opinions doesn't mean they are trolls from other games.

I agree this whole my game is better than yours is soemthing that suits to 10 years old.

I don't think there are GW2 supporters coming out saying GW2 is better than your game, sure there may be a few but most of the GW2 supporters are defending the game they choose to support against false and uninformed opinions, most of those opinions are trying to be misrepresented as facts. 

I have ZERO issue debating a problem with GW2 with someone who knows there FACTs, but the fact of the matter is most are just angry (no idea why), or they are trying to get attention by flaming a game that has a lot of informed and vocal supporters. 

If you look at most of the recent GW2 threads, you will see a derth of negative and vague posts made by someone attempting to sensationalize a minor obscure aspect to the game. Those same individuals will then proceed to back up there vague ideas with opinions they consider fact. 

I do not think GW2 is any better than any other game coming or released, but what i do know is that GW2 will be anticipated by me and my family and will be pre-purchased on April 10th.

Originally posted by Ankur

Another pissing conetst between GW2 and SWTOR fans? irony is that both sides think they are better and more righteous than each other. Calling each other trolls and immature and doing exactly the same thing for which they are accusing each other.

*shakes head*

 But it is amusing to watch from the sidelines...

My 2 cents:

Yes, both TOR and GW2 suffer from the same over-hype as seems to infect so much of game marketing today. Must be a generational thing I don't get. The OP makes a valid point: games today get so over-hyped that, no matter how good they are, the fail to live up tp the high expectations frenzy that the PR guys whip the customer base into. Does this mean they are bad games? No. Just means they are victims of their own hype. I think this was the major flaw with TOR and one that I bet Bioware and EA (ok, maybe not EA) are looking back at with second thoughts. 

What I find more amusing here is how radical elements at both ends of the spectrum (haters/rabid fans) attack each other over the slightes perceived slight to their viewpoint....

But do carry on!

Originally posted by FlawSGI

Originally posted by Ankur

Another pissing conetst between GW2 and SWTOR fans? irony is that both sides think they are better and more righteous than each other. Calling each other trolls and immature and doing exactly the same thing for which they are accusing each other.

*shakes head*

 Nice!, the voice of reason has entered the discussion and offered us his valuable input to the topic... oh wait... he didn't. I didn't see a pissing contest between the two games fans really. I've seen more negative comments thrown at TSW than at SWTOR. Please step off the soapbox and stop shaking your head long enough to read the thread before flinging holier than thou comments around. 

Maybe the game will be a disappointment to the OP though I doubt he was ever really intenting on playing it. I fail to see how it can disappoint since the team has let the media and the public follow the game through the majority of it's development. All the information, videos, dev team comments, etc.. is out there if someone cared to look.

If i was holier than thou i would join one camp and flame others all day long. I am neutral and MMO fan in general so yeah i shared my thoughts on sad state of these forums which have recently blown up to ridiculous level of hypocricy. And if you didn't see a pissing contest you didn't read it all.

My post was as valuable as yours or you are also one of those who believes his opinion holds more value over others?

Originally posted by Voiidiin

Originally posted by Ankur

Originally posted by Tamanous

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by Sylvarii

Originally posted by azrael466

 but I warn everyone who wants to buy this game to be aware this has happened before. It was a game called SWTOR..

Yeah, it was a game called swtor which you bought and supported.In fact you supported it so much that you accused anyone who didn't share you over the top support for the game a troll.

You keep keep your warning because it can't be taken seriously.

Many Tor supporters either dissapeared or are trolling other games now like they are the living example of a game gone wrong, oh wait....

Anyways, he seems to be looking foward to TSW judging by his avatar. Hope he doesn't get his hopes up.

So many people can't seem to get past their schoolyard mentality. You don't have to pick sides and everyone with differing opinions doesn't mean they are trolls from other games.

I agree this whole my game is better than yours is soemthing that suits to 10 years old.

I don't think there are GW2 supporters coming out saying GW2 is better than your game, sure there may be a few but most of the GW2 supporters are defending the game they choose to support against false and uninformed opinions, most of those opinions are trying to be misrepresented as facts. 

 

I have ZERO issue debating a problem with GW2 with someone who knows there FACTs, but the fact of the matter is most are just angry (no idea why), or they are trying to get attention by flaming a game that has a lot of informed and vocal supporters. 

 

If you look at most of the recent GW2 threads, you will see a derth of negative and vague posts made by someone attempting to sensationalize a minor obscure aspect to the game. Those same individuals will then proceed to back up there vague ideas with opinions they consider fact. 

 

I do not think GW2 is any better than any other game coming or released, but what i do know is that GW2 will be anticipated by me and my family and will be pre-purchased on April 10th.

Jesus man, i have slow day at work, financial year closing and all.. i mean really really slow days at work and spend majority of time here going through various MMORPG forums and i have seen GW2 fans trashing Rift, SWTOR, TSW, Tera, AA..you name it and they are there. So nope i really don't believe that they are as few as you want me to believe.

I would never accuse just one side but it does get tiring to see this happening on daily basis. 

Originally posted by azrael466

Originally posted by Sylvarii

Originally posted by azrael466

 but I warn everyone who wants to buy this game to be aware this has happened before. It was a game called SWTOR..

Yeah, it was a game called swtor which you bought and supported.In fact you supported it so much that you accused anyone who didn't share you over the top support for the game a troll.

You keep keep your warning because it can't be taken seriously.

You must have me confused for someone else.

I don't call anyone a troll, because no one knows what a troll is anymore. "Oh no someone disagreed with me they must be a troll".

 

Either that, or you're just an idiot. I can't really tell.

You had an arguement up until here.

Which is where you proved his case.

It's just the nature of people,especially Gamers, to get all hyped about the next huge thing. It must be terrifying to be a developer. It is like being one of those Rain Makers in those old Westerns whom the entire thirsty town is counting on to bring some water from the sky with fireworks and drums, and save their wretched lives (the nervous guys,usually drunks, the whole town ends up wanting to hang). Based on recent games released Gamers have a right to expect a lot of disappointment,and they are a cynacle bunch. But you have never seen anyone happier and more expressive about it in life than a group of Gamers fawning over their Precious when a game comes together like it should. Smiles.

Originally posted by Games888

GW2 is going to own TSW so bad the TSW fanboy is already in a panic mode.

 

 

GW2 is no threat to TSW nor is TSW a threat to G2.

These games cater totally different gamers and while GW2 is going to be the massive mainstream "MMORPG".

TSW will get smaller, yet loyal and solid MMORPG fanbase. Probably around 500k-1mil subscribers. This of course would require Funcom to succeed in the launch unlike with Age of Conan. TSW will most likely go F2P/w CS later on but I'm expecting atleast a 2-3 year lifespan as P2P game. This is rather guesswork since I haven't gotten my hands on the game yet.

The "VS" debats for GW2 are rather uselss since GW2 is going to raise it's own "MMORPG" genre and probaly reign it for a quite awhile.

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

Originally posted by Volkon

Could you imagine a game that once you've logged in and tried it you found yourself so taken by what they've done as a whole that you simply couldn't find the will anymore to log into and play other games? That's the real threat that GW2 is to the subscription genre... time-competition. Yes, you can keep active subs to Eve, for example, but if what you experience in GW2 proves to be so refreshing, so encompassing that you don't bother playing those subscription games you WILL cancel those subs in time. Why pay for what  you're not using or suddenly don't care about anymore?

 

 

Once you play through GW2 you will be so bored out of your mind that you'll squeal back to your MMORPGs with actual carrots to keep playing. GW2 isn't a threat to P2P mmorpgs, it will only lower subs for 1-2 months if even that.

Short answer: No I couldn't imagine a game like that.

some people play P2P games for 2 months having paid more than $60 before going back to a prior game.

I don't think if anyone gets at least 1-2 months enjoymnet if not more, they will feel they go ripped off.

Originally posted by Ankur

Originally posted by FlawSGI

Originally posted by Ankur

Another pissing conetst between GW2 and SWTOR fans? irony is that both sides think they are better and more righteous than each other. Calling each other trolls and immature and doing exactly the same thing for which they are accusing each other.

*shakes head*

 Nice!, the voice of reason has entered the discussion and offered us his valuable input to the topic... oh wait... he didn't. I didn't see a pissing contest between the two games fans really. I've seen more negative comments thrown at TSW than at SWTOR. Please step off the soapbox and stop shaking your head long enough to read the thread before flinging holier than thou comments around. 

Maybe the game will be a disappointment to the OP though I doubt he was ever really intenting on playing it. I fail to see how it can disappoint since the team has let the media and the public follow the game through the majority of it's development. All the information, videos, dev team comments, etc.. is out there if someone cared to look.

If i was holier than thou i would join one camp and flame others all day long. I am neutral and MMO fan in general so yeah i shared my thoughts on sad state of these forums which have recently blown up to ridiculous level of hypocricy. And if you didn't see a pissing contest you didn't read it all.

My post was as valuable as yours or you are also one of those who believes his opinion holds more value over others?

 I don't think my opinion holds more value than others, but I do try to keep my opinion related to the topic and not by making others opinions sound like something out of the schoolyard. Your post had ZERO to do witht he topic and I still didn't see the pissing contest. If you think this is a pissing contest then you haven't been reading the forums long because this is nothing. I don't see game A being compared to game B and claims that game A are better. I do see people using examples for the most part and I don't see that as the same. Your holier than though came across by making yourself out to be better than the ther people in the discsussion and has nothing to do with you picking a side. Try reading your original statement again and you'll see what I mean.

Originally posted by Ankur

Originally posted by Voiidiin

Originally posted by Ankur

Originally posted by Tamanous

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by Sylvarii

Originally posted by azrael466

 but I warn everyone who wants to buy this game to be aware this has happened before. It was a game called SWTOR..

Yeah, it was a game called swtor which you bought and supported.In fact you supported it so much that you accused anyone who didn't share you over the top support for the game a troll.

You keep keep your warning because it can't be taken seriously.

Many Tor supporters either dissapeared or are trolling other games now like they are the living example of a game gone wrong, oh wait....

Anyways, he seems to be looking foward to TSW judging by his avatar. Hope he doesn't get his hopes up.

So many people can't seem to get past their schoolyard mentality. You don't have to pick sides and everyone with differing opinions doesn't mean they are trolls from other games.

I agree this whole my game is better than yours is soemthing that suits to 10 years old.

I don't think there are GW2 supporters coming out saying GW2 is better than your game, sure there may be a few but most of the GW2 supporters are defending the game they choose to support against false and uninformed opinions, most of those opinions are trying to be misrepresented as facts. 

 

I have ZERO issue debating a problem with GW2 with someone who knows there FACTs, but the fact of the matter is most are just angry (no idea why), or they are trying to get attention by flaming a game that has a lot of informed and vocal supporters. 

 

If you look at most of the recent GW2 threads, you will see a derth of negative and vague posts made by someone attempting to sensationalize a minor obscure aspect to the game. Those same individuals will then proceed to back up there vague ideas with opinions they consider fact. 

 

I do not think GW2 is any better than any other game coming or released, but what i do know is that GW2 will be anticipated by me and my family and will be pre-purchased on April 10th.

Jesus man, i have slow day at work, financial year closing and all.. i mean really really slow days at work and spend majority of time here going through various MMORPG forums and i have seen GW2 fans trashing Rift, SWTOR, TSW, Tera, AA..you name it and they are there. So nope i really don't believe that they are as few as you want me to believe.

I would never accuse just one side but it does get tiring to see this happening on daily basis. 

Of course, you fail to mention how these forums draws fans from all the others to trash this game.  Your claim of being unbiased holds no water.  I just wonder if you're even capable of seeing it.  I think you might actually believe you're being completely equitable with your criticism.

Originally posted by jeremyjodes

If you think it will be more then the facts show it to be, then your bursting your own little bubble. it will have no sandbox elements. TOR will never have them Wow will never have them. they simply want to make a tightly controled themepark with the focus being on top end raid gear. this is a fact for many of the themeparks coming and here.

GW2 is mainly PVP centric MMO themepark. your fooling yourself if you think it will have real housing. they simply don't want something they can't control in these MMOs. and thats players being able to create content.

EvE is the last true sandbox after SWG pre-NGE

We will never see another AAA sandbox in our life time. No game company wanst to take the risk moving away from the standard thempark template.

 

You also won't be able to get your Masters degree in nuclear physics through the Asuran colleges, but no one expected that either. So what exactly is your point... it won't be what we didn't expect it to be?

Originally posted by Games888

GW2 is going to own TSW so bad the TSW fanboy is already in a panic mode.

 

 

FunCom

Nuff said

Originally posted by Unlight

Originally posted by Ankur

Originally posted by Voiidiin

Originally posted by Ankur

Originally posted by Tamanous

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by Sylvarii

Originally posted by azrael466

 but I warn everyone who wants to buy this game to be aware this has happened before. It was a game called SWTOR..

Yeah, it was a game called swtor which you bought and supported.In fact you supported it so much that you accused anyone who didn't share you over the top support for the game a troll.

You keep keep your warning because it can't be taken seriously.

Many Tor supporters either dissapeared or are trolling other games now like they are the living example of a game gone wrong, oh wait....

Anyways, he seems to be looking foward to TSW judging by his avatar. Hope he doesn't get his hopes up.

So many people can't seem to get past their schoolyard mentality. You don't have to pick sides and everyone with differing opinions doesn't mean they are trolls from other games.

I agree this whole my game is better than yours is soemthing that suits to 10 years old.

I don't think there are GW2 supporters coming out saying GW2 is better than your game, sure there may be a few but most of the GW2 supporters are defending the game they choose to support against false and uninformed opinions, most of those opinions are trying to be misrepresented as facts. 

 

I have ZERO issue debating a problem with GW2 with someone who knows there FACTs, but the fact of the matter is most are just angry (no idea why), or they are trying to get attention by flaming a game that has a lot of informed and vocal supporters. 

 

If you look at most of the recent GW2 threads, you will see a derth of negative and vague posts made by someone attempting to sensationalize a minor obscure aspect to the game. Those same individuals will then proceed to back up there vague ideas with opinions they consider fact. 

 

I do not think GW2 is any better than any other game coming or released, but what i do know is that GW2 will be anticipated by me and my family and will be pre-purchased on April 10th.

Jesus man, i have slow day at work, financial year closing and all.. i mean really really slow days at work and spend majority of time here going through various MMORPG forums and i have seen GW2 fans trashing Rift, SWTOR, TSW, Tera, AA..you name it and they are there. So nope i really don't believe that they are as few as you want me to believe.

I would never accuse just one side but it does get tiring to see this happening on daily basis. 

Of course, you fail to mention how these forums draws fans from all the others to trash this game.  Your claim of being unbiased holds no water.  I just wonder if you're even capable of seeing it.  I think you might actually believe you're being completely equitable with your criticism.

See...the moment you percieved a little unbias into my post you come running to defend your GW2 camp's honor...like  a white knight in shining armor. Even though i clearly mentioned that i would never accuse one side but it does get tiring when people say only 'few GW2 fans trash other games'.

I think you missed that part.

Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh

Originally posted by GoldenArrow

Originally posted by Volkon

Could you imagine a game that once you've logged in and tried it you found yourself so taken by what they've done as a whole that you simply couldn't find the will anymore to log into and play other games? That's the real threat that GW2 is to the subscription genre... time-competition. Yes, you can keep active subs to Eve, for example, but if what you experience in GW2 proves to be so refreshing, so encompassing that you don't bother playing those subscription games you WILL cancel those subs in time. Why pay for what  you're not using or suddenly don't care about anymore?

 

 

Once you play through GW2 you will be so bored out of your mind that you'll squeal back to your MMORPGs with actual carrots to keep playing. GW2 isn't a threat to P2P mmorpgs, it will only lower subs for 1-2 months if even that.

Short answer: No I couldn't imagine a game like that.

some people play P2P games for 2 months having paid more than $60 before going back to a prior game.

I don't think if anyone gets at least 1-2 months enjoymnet if not more, they will feel they go ripped off.

That's exactly how it is. GW2 is definately worth your money and your time. I'm just annoyed with this "OH IT'S THE PERFECT AND FINAL GAME, I DON'T NEED ANY OTHER GAMES EVER" kind of mentality around GW2. I expect people to play GW2 for few months rather intensive but they will start looking for another games to satisfy the MMORPG gamer in them. People might not realise this yet but as they say, time will tell :J

Originally posted by azrael466

No, I'm not saying the game is going to be bad, but at this point everyone is acting like GW2 is going to be a savior of the MMO genre. Its going to get hyped beyond belief, everyone is going to buy it thinking its the best thing since sliced bread, and then...Everyones going to get smacked with reality and think it sucks compared to all their little hopes and dreams.

Again, I'm not saying the game is going to be BAD, but I warn everyone who wants to buy this game to be aware this has happened before. It was a game called SWTOR..

+1

I just LOVE how all of those dissapointed SWOTR fans come in here and drone about 'Oh, you don't know what you're in for..'. Just beause they experience a major let down, they become uber cynical and feel they should preach like the followers of Jesus Christ, shoving their belief down everyone's throats. When truth be told, a lot of the Guild Wars 2 fans have been pleased with Guild Wars and look forward to the next evolution of the game, have been waiting for this game a while, and have come from a long history of dissapointment from other games.

Hell, it was the Guild Wars 2 community who warned the SWOTR guys not to fall for the hype, but they did. Now those very same fools who fell for the SWOTR hype are going back to the Guild Wards 2 people and telling them not to fall for the hype.

I find this funny as hell really.

Originally posted by FlawSGI

Originally posted by Ankur

Originally posted by FlawSGI

Originally posted by Ankur

Another pissing conetst between GW2 and SWTOR fans? irony is that both sides think they are better and more righteous than each other. Calling each other trolls and immature and doing exactly the same thing for which they are accusing each other.

*shakes head*

 Nice!, the voice of reason has entered the discussion and offered us his valuable input to the topic... oh wait... he didn't. I didn't see a pissing contest between the two games fans really. I've seen more negative comments thrown at TSW than at SWTOR. Please step off the soapbox and stop shaking your head long enough to read the thread before flinging holier than thou comments around. 

Maybe the game will be a disappointment to the OP though I doubt he was ever really intenting on playing it. I fail to see how it can disappoint since the team has let the media and the public follow the game through the majority of it's development. All the information, videos, dev team comments, etc.. is out there if someone cared to look.

If i was holier than thou i would join one camp and flame others all day long. I am neutral and MMO fan in general so yeah i shared my thoughts on sad state of these forums which have recently blown up to ridiculous level of hypocricy. And if you didn't see a pissing contest you didn't read it all.

My post was as valuable as yours or you are also one of those who believes his opinion holds more value over others?

 I don't think my opinion holds more value than others, but I do try to keep my opinion related to the topic and not by making others opinions sound like something out of the schoolyard. Your post had ZERO to do witht he topic and I still didn't see the pissing contest. If you think this is a pissing contest then you haven't been reading the forums long because this is nothing. I don't see game A being compared to game B and claims that game A are better. I do see people using examples for the most part and I don't see that as the same. Your holier than though came across by making yourself out to be better than the ther people in the discsussion and has nothing to do with you picking a side. Try reading your original statement again and you'll see what I mean.

Let see OP makes a negative post about GW2 and he is flamed for being a SWTOR supporter  in the past and as if this somehow adds more weight to his speculation about GW2. Another gentleman tells us how scared TSW fans are right now of GW2's success. And this is just two examples.

Now please tell me if this is not pissing contest then what it is?  i don't think how i can drag this topic any more into off topic direction. People did a good job already on very first page.

I agree, I'm disapointed that I still cant play :/ I realise it isnt done yet, but I dont want to wait more...

Well said. Oo

Originally posted by TemperHoof

I just LOVE how all of those dissapointed SWOTR fans come in here and drone about 'Oh, you don't know what you're in for..'. Just beause they experience a major let down, they become uber cynical and feel they should preach like the followers of Jesus Christ, shoving their belief down everyone's throats. When truth be told, a lot of the Guild Wars 2 fans have been pleased with Guild Wars and look forward to the next evolution of the game, have been waiting for this game a while, and have come from a long history of dissapointment from other games.

Hell, it was the Guild Wars 2 community who warned the SWOTR guys not to fall for the hype, but they did. Now those very same fools who fell for the SWOTR hype are going back to the Guild Wards 2 people and telling them not to fall for the hype.

I find this funny as hell really.

 

Well thank you for just proving my point.