From my understanding this is only available to those who sub.  So how is this pay 2 win exactly?  Isn't that the usual complaint from the hybrid games, they have things in the cash shop that is only available in the cs.  This seems like the opposit.  This is something only available to those who sub.  So, in other words, the subscribers actually get access to everything in the game for once.

pay 2 win usually means gaining an advantage by plowing unseemly amounts of cash into the cash shop for ridiculou8s advantages.

paying 15 beans a month is NOT pay to win.  it's incentivising people to sub.  if they made a +10% chance for those items to drop consumable, and put those in the item shop and allowed people to buy enough of them so that those boxes dropped 100% of the time, then you'd have p2w..  this is more like sub2win which i think is exactly their point.

look at it this way, if you are f2p then the folks who are paying the 15 a month are paying so YOU don't have to, so if they get some more loot boxes or free SC or whatever it's no biggy.  they are paying their money and you aren't.

Originally posted by TruthXHurts

Originally posted by khelbon

Now this is a perfect example of Pay to Win.  Shameful.

 

Until you step up and host the servers for free I challenge you to explain to us simple minded fools how these F2P games are supposed to make money?

 

By releasing content worth paying for? Instead of taking the easy way out and making it pay to win.

Originally posted by Shawn964

Originally posted by BrodieBroos



Jesus what do you guys want a free mmo?! It's not pay to win its f2p. These items you can't buy off the store there is just a chance of a drop for THOSE OF US PAYING $14 A MONTH. You want a free mmo go play that minecraft mmo coming out until then stop your bitching, and stop being cheap and sub to a game.

 

need to remember, for some people, its not because they are cheap but cant afford.

 

Then perhaps they should be persuing a different hobby.

Can someone please explain to me how it is pay 2 win if the good stuff isn't actually in the cash shop?

unistalling... anyway this boring game i dont care

the "good stuff" is in lock boxes,..the only way to get into lock boxes is to buy keys or sub, the "good stuff" is going to be far superior to the free stuff , soooo the people that have "the good stuff" are going to have a  superior advantage over the free players, thus it becomes pay to win, can not get clearer of a line between f2p and p2w, its not a large amont of money but that does not change the p2w status

Originally posted by fenrisblue

the "good stuff" is in lock boxes,..the only way to get into lock boxes is to buy keys or sub, the "good stuff" is going to be far superior to the free stuff , soooo the people that have "the good stuff" are going to have a  superior advantage over the free players, thus it becomes pay to win, can not get clearer of a line between f2p and p2w, its not a large amont of money but that does not change the p2w status

The problem is this was never a real f2p game, it was a freemium game, it has always had a sub and in freemium games those that sub have an advantage over those that do not. This is how the freemium model tends to work. Its more like a free trial then truely f2p.

Originally posted by fenrisblue

the "good stuff" is in lock boxes,..the only way to get into lock boxes is to buy keys or sub, the "good stuff" is going to be far superior to the free stuff , soooo the people that have "the good stuff" are going to have a  superior advantage over the free players, thus it becomes pay to win, can not get clearer of a line between f2p and p2w, its not a large amont of money but that does not change the p2w status

 

My understanding of p2w has always been that you can buy your way to the top through cs purchases.  Since the sub comes with the keys to pen the box, I don't see how this is p2w.  It is basically pay to be closer to on par with subscribers.  You can't get ahead of them through the cs.  The sub gives you access to everything, thus by definition isn't p2w unless you consider the sub as p2w which every sub game out there would fall into that category.

Edit:  If they were selling boxes themselves in the cs then I would agree that it is pay 2 win, or even if the only way to get a key was the cs I would agree, but seeing as how subscribers have access to everything, I don't see how it is p2w.

Bah, double post.

Silly Freebie seekers.. Learn your place.

50 Million real dollars to make this game (even if you don't like it) and you want it all to be free and even?.... How and Why would any game company care about what you think, if you are not contributing to the prolonged existence of the game? You free players are in game to be "food for" or "assist" those people who actually pay for the game. that's how life is and how ALL games that require money to create should be. There is NO free anything if you look deep enough.

I am glad they have a free introduction to the game, my kids get to play and I don't have to pay. If they really get into it, then I buy a sub because it works for them. When they loose interest, they move on to the next game..

There NEEDS to be a real benefit to paying for something and in these types of games it's competing with players in your same level of game play. Free players ARE NOT in the same game play level as PAID players, just so you know the roles.

Yes, I am a small business owner.

Peace