Must be April fools already.

Originally posted by moosecatlol

Must be April fools already.

Out of the top of my head, the top AAA MMO titles that have come out since WoW are LotrO, Aion, AoC, WAR, Rift, Vanguard and SWTOR. There have been other interesting titles, but those I'd consider the big ones.

I don't see why the OP must've been joking, I can see why someone would opt SWTOR to be the best one since WoW to have come out, even if it isn't my number 1 option. Makes sense enough to me.

Originally posted by StoneRoses

Originally posted by Loke666

I don't see it ever getting 10 million players, do you even understand how many players that are?

TOR is already the second largest MMO who ever came out, few games before it have topped even one million players and none have kept them past a month.

But TOR is too close to a singleplayer game to ever have that many players, it is mainly focused on telling a story but both the PvP and endgame are far from perfect and still need a lot of work.

If the game would have been F2P or B2P 10 millions are possible, but I don't see it happening now, I don't see it come up to 10 million boxes sold ever. You can actually count the PC games that sold that well on the fingers on your left hand (The Sims (1, 2 & 3), World of Warcraft, Half-Life 2, StarCraft and Battlefield 2), yeah, I count all the sims as one game but they each sold over 10 million copies.

TOR is not a bad game but I think it will be hit rather hard when GW2 releases. While GW2 have less of a story it offers as least as much other stuff without a monthly fee.

/sigh

WTF is wrong with folks!

Why is it always about numbers? To be honest, of all your post this right here suprises me the most.

Also to mention again how some of you continue to label it as a SIngleplayer game.

-Flashpoints

-World Bosses (at various lvls)

-Heroic Missions

-Operations

-Pvp (Premades)

The players make the choice to engange with other fellow players in game not the game itself.

The very exact and same tool used in even before WoW is still there; Chat Box.

 

Almost everything you listed stands largely  vacant on every server, with only a handful of players running that content at any given time.

Almost everyone is silently soloing their hearts out.

Best MMO ever until lvl 50.

2 major flaws with your post OP.

1.  You don't make such claims after 1 day of playing.

2.   Playing the numbers game "10 million" is highly shunned upon.

With that said, I can understand why you would like this game having only played WoW before it.  It has many positive things going on with it and it really is a solid game from my point of view.  It has a lot to offer and a wide range of things to do to a certain degree.

Do I still play it?  Nope I beat it...3 times...in about a month and half.  That's where it went south for me.   MMO's should not ever have that feeling of being "complete".  That's why it really does feels more co-op than massive.  

Major flaw with your post OP, this is not a real MMO.

I stopped reading after he said WOW had a good community. Obvious troll is obvious

Originally posted by korent1991

Think I got it! He's a EA employee. This is the last day of one of those fiscal quarter things so he's worried about his job, which has driven him to extremes.

In his defense he claims to know TOR is the best game since WoW but ok, we all know you can't judge a MMO in 10 hours, but you can judge single player games in that amount of time. Maybe that's what he really meant?

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by StoneRoses

Originally posted by Loke666

I don't see it ever getting 10 million players, do you even understand how many players that are?

TOR is already the second largest MMO who ever came out, few games before it have topped even one million players and none have kept them past a month.

But TOR is too close to a singleplayer game to ever have that many players, it is mainly focused on telling a story but both the PvP and endgame are far from perfect and still need a lot of work.

If the game would have been F2P or B2P 10 millions are possible, but I don't see it happening now, I don't see it come up to 10 million boxes sold ever. You can actually count the PC games that sold that well on the fingers on your left hand (The Sims (1, 2 & 3), World of Warcraft, Half-Life 2, StarCraft and Battlefield 2), yeah, I count all the sims as one game but they each sold over 10 million copies.

TOR is not a bad game but I think it will be hit rather hard when GW2 releases. While GW2 have less of a story it offers as least as much other stuff without a monthly fee.

/sigh

WTF is wrong with folks!

Why is it always about numbers? To be honest, of all your post this right here suprises me the most.

Also to mention again how some of you continue to label it as a SIngleplayer game.

-Flashpoints

-World Bosses (at various lvls)

-Heroic Missions

-Operations

-Pvp (Premades)

The players make the choice to engange with other fellow players in game not the game itself.

The very exact and same tool used in even before WoW is still there; Chat Box.

 

Almost everything you listed stands largely  vacant on every server, with only a handful of players running that content at any given time.

Almost everyone is silently soloing their hearts out.

 

Really? Every single server is vacant? Sounds like you're just pulling something out your ass. Out the 3 servers I have toons on, they're all alive and kicking.

Originally posted by Isasis

I avoided playing SWTOR because of all the hate it gets, but yesterday I bought it and played all day. And wow! This just overtook WoW for me.

Get back to us in a month.

Some people like to eat chalk too.

Originally posted by Dinasty

Some people like to eat chalk too.

Some people also like food, music and movies that others don't.

Simple, but sometimes astonishing fact of life

Wow, how easily please you are, hmm?  A game designer's wet dream :D

Originally posted by StoneRoses

Really? Every single server is vacant? Sounds like you're just pulling something out your ass. Out the 3 servers I have toons on, they're all alive and kicking.

 

So you have a toon on the 3 high population servers that are left?  I can tell you such things are a rarity on Krayiss Obelisk.  Haven't heard much different on the offical forums either, everyone begs for server merges or transfers.

Originally posted by Jason2444

For me SWTOR was the greatest game ever.... For about a week

Sad, but true.

*You know it's sad but truuuuuuuuuuuue yea-eah*

Originally posted by Isasis

WoW was my first MMO and only one I ever actually played. I tried a lot of others but they all sucked compared to WoW. I even tried EVE, but the community was horrible compared to WoW's community.

 

I avoided playing SWTOR because of all the hate it gets, but yesterday I bought it and played all day. And wow! This just overtook WoW for me. The world (on origin world, and it only gets bigger) is huge. Graphics are top notch, in terms of art style and the customization for characters is amazing. But what really stands this MMO apart from the others is the amazing voice acting. It is better than Tortage in AoC, the only good part of that MMO. I just love going through this huge story that other MMOs just don't have.

 

I mentioned graphics, which are amazing and some of the best of any MMO. But the animations and cut scenes really make it. I've played SWTOR for about 10 hours now and having the most fun I've had in an MMO. My guy is a Sith Sorceror and its amazing going pewpewpew.

 

Also, the community is actually better than WoW's, which a lot of MMOs fail in that regard. There are people all over the place going about their business, chat isn't full of trolls complaining about WoW and getting groups is incredibly easy. This is probably a better grouping game than WoW, which already was good for groups.

 

Anyway I'll end this year as I know a lot are like "tldr"...so to sum it up: Best MMO since WoW, maybe the best MMO ever and everything about SWTOR is amazing. Never have I been so into a story in a game, MMO or not. Will definitely easily have 10 million subscribers or more if they keep coming out with updates.

   Very good post,  I liked Vanilla wow but once it became easy mode I passed on wow.  Dont worry about the haters LOL Many people who comment on here have played a lot of mmo's, just cannot find their niche and thus have become very bitter and only feel good when knocking games other people like. A lot of these haters have not even played swtor they just like coming on mmorpg.com and being negative(yes i know they need a life) other people have played it and will give genuine constructive criticism.   I have found that people who like DA, Me2 and 3 , kotar will like swtor and those that don't like those games will not like swtor.       Because swtor has such a strong story line w voice overs , cut scenes, great sound, companions , plot, and small grouping w social points, I can forgive its relatively weak PvP, they do need to strengthen the Space game and I have a feeling they will by Christmas.    By the way all the people who say I got to lvl 50 in 1 or 2 or 3 weeks are end game speed levelers who under no circumstances are going to enjoy a game like swtor with a strong story line, invariably all those people will have space barred the story and quests and then wonder "what the heck am I doing at lvl 50 so fast"   Isasis people like you, me and many others love reading the story , getting into the political intrigue , the backstabbing, the heroic, who is going to kill who story lines, we also love to play alts and see how they differ.     May the Force be with you!

Took me 5 weeks to get my first 50, in pre-TBC WoW at a similar pace, it took me roughly 3 months to get my first 60, it was that bad but they sped up levelling in WoW since then and you can get up to 85 in less than a month. My second 50 took less than 4 weeks because I skipped planet story (since I've done it already) and only did class story, some side quests and mostly pvp, after 1.2 levelling from pvp is going to be very very very slow (reduced xp and 0 credit earned), Bioware is trying to force you to play the pve game which will push the remaining pvp'ers out.

SWTOR had a great smooth launch, but their ongoing maintenance is terrible, they're changing stuff too soon and half of them are completely unnecessary.

Originally posted by Loke666

I don't see it ever getting 10 million players, do you even understand how many players that are?

TOR is already the second largest MMO who ever came out, few games before it have topped even one million players and none have kept them past a month.

But TOR is too close to a singleplayer game to ever have that many players, it is mainly focused on telling a story but both the PvP and endgame are far from perfect and still need a lot of work.

If the game would have been F2P or B2P 10 millions are possible, but I don't see it happening now, I don't see it come up to 10 million boxes sold ever. You can actually count the PC games that sold that well on the fingers on your left hand (The Sims (1, 2 & 3), World of Warcraft, Half-Life 2, StarCraft and Battlefield 2), yeah, I count all the sims as one game but they each sold over 10 million copies.

TOR is not a bad game but I think it will be hit rather hard when GW2 releases. While GW2 have less of a story it offers as least as much other stuff without a monthly fee.

I wouldnt be surprised if some day all MMOs are B2P, along with cash shops. The MP side of Red Dead Redemption was a damn good time. With the capability of having 1000 or so in zone, it would really be a knockout. A core PVE experience, the option to play on non PVP servers, and lots of different mini games. Bonus that a low lvl can actually kill a high lvl in PVP.

RDR gave us a ton of unlocks for MP  game. A MMO version could add so much more. I havent tried ME3 MP yet(last 2 acheivements I need to unlock are based on it), but from most accounts it is a good experience. ME3 is P2W ala GW2, in that you can either earn credits ingame to unlock features, or outright buy them for money. Something RDR didnt have.

If the day ever comes that TOR goes B2P, or FTP,  I suspect some huge numbers of gamers would be playing. Even more if they follow GW2's example, and release on next gen consoles as well. From what I have read, we should have a new xbox in about 2 yrs. I know for myself, I would play a lot more often if I could get a few hrs in while laying down.

GW2 would be a footnote should BW actually fix the PVP, and go BTP/FTP. I dont think they will ever dedicate the resources to make the PVP like folks claim to want though, so it is a moot thought.

No it's not.

Originally posted by Pyuk

No it's not. IMO

Fixed :)