Originally posted by smh_alot

Originally posted by RefMinor

 

I don't want to have to play a poor SPRPG in order to get to a husk of an MMO.

 

Shrug. Not really an answer on my post. I said that it's important that leveling to level cap should be made entertaining as well, and that the story based approach to quest leveling as seen in AoC's Destiny quests, and SWTOR/TSW/GW2 (Personal Story) quests is a more fun way to level than textwall quests or mob grinding. If you prefer textwall quests and mob grinding as main method of leveling, well, good for you I guess.

It is important. But swtor actively turned me off questing by putting in such a shallow story.

They also recycled the majority of the "content" so that levelling an alternative becomes an extremely dull process as you've done most of the quests before. 

If they want to use story as their main draw then they need to do more work. And also come up with a way to get end game story going

got, kk

lol @ the dude trying to be critical about the OP playing for 3 months.

As a PvP player, you need to spend a significant amount of time leveling a character to endgame (since this is where the competitive PvP takes place, ok tanner?)  this is where you can actually judge whether or not a game has the proper tools to be a solid PvP game.  To actually master game mechanics a lot of players try out each different character once or at least spend some time researching it. 

3 months isn't a long time either - not sure how much time the OP put in, but it takes almost an hour a night (90 or so hours) to get to endgame.  Then you have to gear up in PvP, etc.

It takes a while to make a judgement, hence why I finally cancelled my account after 2.5 months.

But thanks for the input tanner, it was welcome.

OP I think you are right on whether or not those playing the game right now want to agree.  I also spent 3 months leveling and spending time on endgame and came to the same conclusions.  To Tanner, we played 3 months so we could experience leveling as well as spend some time at end game.  I don't find this a very surprising amount of time at all.

The leveling experience was enjoyable for the most part but once you have done that with 1 character, it's hard to redo that with another one considering you are going through 70% of the same quests on the same planets.  Crafting burns more resources than you actually get out of it, instanced PvP against the same people gets old, and running the same easy (and buggy) raids gets old too.

No one has really mentioned the biggest killer of this game, the population.  I unsubbed before this really became an issue on my server but even when I was playing it was a constant LFG spam session in general chat most nights.  I have a buddy that still plays on that server and he can't even do most of the content now because of population issues.

I also wish I would not have wasted the $100 I spent playing this game and 300+ hrs of my life.  It's all hindsight of course.  I guess I just wanted to see what the endgame was like so I kept grinding it out hoping it would get better.  I'll wait and see what GW2 has to offer (at least no sub fee).

Originally posted by dibban
Cna i ahve yo stuff?

Made it rain on some n00bs before I left, handed out 200k to about 5-6 people on the starter planets.  The reactions were great but I made them duel me just for fun.

Originally posted by Soopaman

Rift has its good and bad points. It seems that ppl are looking for a one size fit all MMO. Personally I dont think one size fit all MMO will ever exist.

I've certainly never found that MMO either, then again I'm just looking for a fun game to play. I 'm not out to live a second life in a video game.

I'll never understanding posting cancel threads on this website, or any other website that isn't an affiliation to the actual game. You think BioWare or EA are going to read this? Be useful and post it on their forums when you cancel,[mod edit]

Originally posted by Valentina

I'll never understanding posting cancel threads on this website, or any other website that isn't an affiliation to the actual game. You think BioWare or EA are going to read this? Be useful and post it on their forums when you cancel, otherwise stfu.

I'm curious why this hasn't already been moved over to the Reviews & Impressions section where it actually belongs.

Actually OP you made me realize my main problem with this game, you are right it didn't really add any new game mechanics to the table... which every other game that copied WoW at least did that.

Ugh and I loved SWTOR...  really did... but I feel like I beat the game and I'm done with it... no MMO has ever given me a sense of completion like SWTOR did.

Originally posted by Zarynterk

I aint mad at ya homie... The game is a 5 out of 10 at best... the instancing is ridiculous and the PVP is a complete joke. They would have been better served just giving us an updated version of SWG lol, me thinks people would be much, much happier.

I can honestly say SWG2, 'SWG done well, working, quality' would have been a lot better imho.

Originally posted by Valentina

I'll never understanding posting cancel threads on this website, or any other website that isn't an affiliation to the actual game. You think BioWare or EA are going to read this? Be useful and post it on their forums when you cancel, otherwise stfu.

Sauron,hear me.

Its time to forge new Star Wars MMO.

just to rule them all..

Thanks in advance mr Sauron.

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by RefMinor

 

It didn't help really that SOE dropped wow in space onto an unsuspecting sandbox crowd whilst chasing WoW like numbers, thus going from 250k to 50k very fast, as the original players left but the WoW crowd carried on enjoying WoW and didn't switch to NGE.

If SWG was doing well they would have never considered the NGE in the first place.

As a long time -PREcuSWG fanboi.... this. ANyway, @OP how did it take you 3 months to figure out the mechanics in SWTOR? They're the same basic mechanics we've seen in every major release since 04.

Played SWTOR since release, cancelled last week and went back to DAoC (yes really!). I played WoW, AO, Shadowbane, DAoC and SWTOR and I can say that the main thing that sets SWTOR apart from the others is that it never ever felt like an MMO. I never needed anyone to do anything in the game whatsoever, leveled 2 characters to 50 (sage and sentinel) on my own without ever grouping with anyone.

I play MMO's for the PvP aspect so me cancelling my subscription is no surprise, the PvP in SWTOR was mediocre at best. Warzones don't cut it, instancing PvP makes it sterile and takes out any element of surprise from the game. I didn't get much of a chance to experience Ilum, it was pretty much dead on my server (Ajunta Pall).

I wish I had more time to type what I think about the state of MMO's nowadays but I don't!

Heh. The funny thing is that you have people saying how you can play SWTOR completely solo and how big of a problem that is and at the same time in the same thread people complaining about how some can't play most of the content because the lack of finding groups.

It pays to be a thoroughbred allround sceptic outsider and that I take all posts from everyone with a healthy dose grain of salt

Originally posted by cutthecrap

Heh. The funny thing is that you have people saying how you can play SWTOR completely solo and how big of a problem that is and at the same time in the same thread people complaining about how some can't play most of the content because the lack of finding groups.

It pays to be a thoroughbred allround sceptic outsider and that I take all posts from everyone with a healthy dose grain of salt

I think everyone will agree that the game is easy enough to do solo and most server populations now require you to do that now.  Basically you can skip heroics and level by alternative single player methods (because you have your companion) or instanced PvP.  Most people I knew got all of their gear through instanced PvP not flashpoints and raids which require groups.  The problem there is that a lot of server populations are diving so low that it's hard to even get said matches in an hour of queing.

Originally posted by cutthecrap

Heh. The funny thing is that you have people saying how you can play SWTOR completely solo and how big of a problem that is and at the same time in the same thread people complaining about how some can't play most of the content because the lack of finding groups.

It pays to be a thoroughbred allround sceptic outsider and that I take all posts from everyone with a healthy dose grain of salt

Both kinda makes sense to me.

Most of us don't play a MMO to solo, we play them to be social. If I just want to solo I play a singleplayer game.

I don't think" it is great that you can solo most things since there are so few players" really is a good argument for anything.

Now, I think that it is good that there is some solo content in a MMO but if people can solo most of it that means it gets harderto find groups, many people who probably would like to get a group decides to solo since it is easier than wait for a group. Guildwars have the same issue now, when I started I always PUGed and had more fun but now I often solo stuff since it is so much work to find a group in many places.

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Originally posted by ktanner3

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Originally posted by RefMinor

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Originally posted by Soopaman

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Originally posted by trash656

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Originally posted by Zarynterk

I aint mad at ya homie... The game is a 5 out of 10 at best... the instancing is ridiculous and the PVP is a complete joke. They would have been better served just giving us an updated version of SWG lol, me thinks people would be much, much happier.

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thanks my friend, and yes I agree with you. SWG PRE NGE was the best MMO I had ever played.

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If SWG was such a great game prior to pre NGE. Why did the game fail so badly. Its not like SWG was a great game. It had lots of problems that needed to be fixed. You cant compare the 2 because they are not the same.

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It didn't help really that SOE dropped wow in space onto an unsuspecting sandbox crowd whilst chasing WoW like numbers, thus going from 250k to 50k very fast, as the original players left but the WoW crowd carried on enjoying WoW and didn't switch to NGE.

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If SWG was doing well they would have never considered the NGE in the first place.

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TLDR: SWG was doing well 2003-2004, 2005 with combat upgrade was the start of the downfall and the NGE brought out the coffin ready to go. It was the company's mistake.

Agree 100% I posted a review myself trying to be non bias and not whining. Yet some how people always seem to think because your writing a "Here is why I'm quiting speech"  feel it's a QQ or your just another sub that is a waste of time having around. If you were to post this on SWOTR Community site it would be locked instantly! The devs don't like when the truth is right in there face.

Just to mention also SWOTR Just admited on there community site there is only 1.2mill subs atm. They even tried to say that they were so "overwhelmed" with subs the other day they had to get additional help. Im going to call the "Shanigans Flag" on this one. For anyone doubting this game isn't going down hill fast go to the community site and look under general discussion. People are asking where are the merges? Or transfers? or the people?...I can honestly say it's Bad. I logged in last night to try and just do a 3 win daily and at 6p.m Est. on a East Coast server and it took 45mins to get half a que going for huttball... Save your money and just walk away from this game. I regret ever spending time or $$$ on it. Just another MMO that took our cash and ran with it. 

Also fanbois...Save your QQn this game will be dead like the rest of them in a few months. I wanted it to be more but when the Devs don't care and a company like EA is running things unless $$$$ is being made they don't want anyone working or improving s**t!