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  rojoArcueid

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"It is double pleasure to deceive the deceiver". - Niccolo Machiavelli

3/29/12 7:48:23 PM#21

cash shop for NA is not far away. They have to make sure to have everything settled in case the sub model dont work as intended.

  Deron_Barak

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3/29/12 8:27:33 PM#22
They should anyways and hopefully will for release. If people want to spend extra money on vanity items I'm cool with that. I won't buy them but hopefully EME/BHS puts the money to good use.

Just not worth my time anymore.

  L3nnyGp

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3/29/12 8:44:45 PM#23
Originally posted by Deron_Barak
Originally posted by Sector13

Another attempt to bleed money from their small niche of a fanbase. Make you pay and sub and add a cash shop, wow, why even bother with P2Ps anymore?

Because the purchases aren't required?

One reason is because at the end of the day, its always about the money. It makes sense that a company would want to make money one way or another (P2P w/ CS  or B2P w/ CS), not many buisnesses / companies do things for the hell of it or for their amusement (free / fun).

...Not one, no matter how much you may look up to them...

As long as the cash-shop for TERA  remains cosmetic, then I don't have a problem with it (Especially for that mount, sexy!). It's ultimately up to the individual player, whether they use the CS or not...If you got the money, more power to you.

 

  Mehve

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3/29/12 9:04:07 PM#24

So far, EME has simply said "Beyond typical stuff like character transfers and name changes, we haven't even decided, we're more worried about just releasing the game". And  there MAY be some truth to that. This is a PR issue they likely don't want to deal with at this time at all.

Don't like it, though. I don't draw a line between "Cosmetic" and anything else. It's content, plain and simple. And for every PvP keener, there's a clothes-horse who places equal value on appearances. I purchased a box, and I'll be paying a subscription for this game. One of the reasons was for the very impressive visuals that have been repeatedly advertised and promoted.

I REALLY don't want to be told that some of that is being held back, in lieu of even more money.

Edit: My other concern is more long-term, the stuff that typically shows up in these add-on cash shops is usually stuff that SHOULD have been sold for a boat-load of in-game money, effectively nerfing a potential gold-sink aimed specfically at people with excess money.

A Modest Proposal for MMORPGs:
That the means of progression would not be mutually exclusive from the means of enjoyment.

  Beacker

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3/29/12 9:36:02 PM#25
Originally posted by NBlitz
Curses. They try and pull that shit over here like they did with AION while it was still sub based, and I'm out and done with this game.

Why should it matter to you if they put one in? It is just cosmetic stuff to change your look. No different than paying extra for some barbie doll clothing. Cosmetic stuff is fine with me. That is all Aion did was release skins and that is fine. Maybe some people want to buy those skins then sell them on the auction hall for gold? Maybe someone who wants this stuff but not want to spend RL money will buy from someone who put it up on the broker. Either way nothing is wrong with that and it is not going to hinder your game.

 

Now if they went the way of Age of Conan where you can buy PVP gear that would be a big no no. No one is forcing you to buy any vanity/cosmetic gear but do understand that gaming is a hobby. There are people out there who don't mind spending more money on thier character to achieve a certain look. People spend money on hobbies that is just how it is. Go ahead and cancel your game then it is a stupid reason to because EME wants to make some money on the side with cosmetic items. But guess what?! That money is going to help fund even further content and development.

  Beacker

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3/29/12 9:39:35 PM#26
Originally posted by Sector13

Another attempt to bleed money from their small niche of a fanbase. Make you pay and sub and add a cash shop, wow, why even bother with P2Ps anymore?

No one is forcing you to buy items from the cash shop  you know. It is not going to hinder your game in any way. I really do not understand why people complain about cash shops especially vanity/cosmetic ones. If you owned a company and had a way to make some extra cash wouldn't you do that? Obviously there is a market for it. Some people do not mind spending extra money on this sort of thing.

  Sector13

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3/29/12 10:06:32 PM#27
Originally posted by Deron_Barak
Originally posted by Sector13
Originally posted by Deron_Barak
Originally posted by Sector13

Another attempt to bleed money from their small niche of a fanbase. Make you pay and sub and add a cash shop, wow, why even bother with P2Ps anymore?

Because the purchases aren't required?

They aren't required in F2Ps either but people still complain about them ... or is TERA different just because it's the game you happen to like atm?

Come now Sector, you knew what I was refering to.  In case you didn't here is a short explaination:

P2W, otherwise known as "Play to Win", is a term used when an MMO's items shop contains items that give a tactical advantage to the buyer over players that choose not to buy them.

Items from a shop that do not fit this description are refered to as "Vanity Items".  These can be special looking mounts, weapons and armor that are for looks and other items of a "visual only" nature.

"Required" has to do with being at a disadvantage if you don't purchase P2W items, that's why people complain about them though they should expect it from a F2P title.  If an MMO with a sub model does it they will never get my business.  I don't think any company is stupid enough to try considering it's harder to release a sub game and any bad publicity can be disasterous.

Depends where you draw the line with P2W and Required. There are plenty of F2Ps that only have vanity and convinence items but people still call them P2W. I don't see how a Chronoscroll is any different from a P2W item but people are more then willing to defend it for some stange purpose. The idea that there are items in the game that are only available by paying IRL money should be considered a bad thing ... but since it doesn't make your character better then it's ok? Don't see how that is any different then DLC, especially in a game you have to buy and then pay a sub for. They expect you to pay for even more content on top of that. Wow, it must be nice to be in love with a game so much that you don't mind that they rip you off. I wish I had that kind of money to just throw away.

  Beacker

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3/29/12 10:28:17 PM#28
Originally posted by Sector13
Originally posted by Deron_Barak
Originally posted by Sector13
Originally posted by Deron_Barak
Originally posted by Sector13

Another attempt to bleed money from their small niche of a fanbase. Make you pay and sub and add a cash shop, wow, why even bother with P2Ps anymore?

Because the purchases aren't required?

They aren't required in F2Ps either but people still complain about them ... or is TERA different just because it's the game you happen to like atm?

Come now Sector, you knew what I was refering to.  In case you didn't here is a short explaination:

P2W, otherwise known as "Play to Win", is a term used when an MMO's items shop contains items that give a tactical advantage to the buyer over players that choose not to buy them.

Items from a shop that do not fit this description are refered to as "Vanity Items".  These can be special looking mounts, weapons and armor that are for looks and other items of a "visual only" nature.

"Required" has to do with being at a disadvantage if you don't purchase P2W items, that's why people complain about them though they should expect it from a F2P title.  If an MMO with a sub model does it they will never get my business.  I don't think any company is stupid enough to try considering it's harder to release a sub game and any bad publicity can be disasterous.

Depends where you draw the line with P2W and Required. There are plenty of F2Ps that only have vanity and convinence items but people still call them P2W. I don't see how a Chronoscroll is any different from a P2W item but people are more then willing to defend it for some stange purpose. The idea that there are items in the game that are only available by paying IRL money should be considered a bad thing ... but since it doesn't make your character better then it's ok? Don't see how that is any different then DLC, especially in a game you have to buy and then pay a sub for. They expect you to pay for even more content on top of that. Wow, it must be nice to be in love with a game so much that you don't mind that they rip you off. I wish I had that kind of money to just throw away.

The Chronoscroll is suppose to be used to take away from the RMT. Also I don't see it being a big deal since Person A can purchase it for real money and then person B can then pay for it with ingame gold. Essentially you can be the person buying the scrolls for ingame gold you farm and never pay for a sub thus it is free. What is wrong with that? Chronoscrolls are not pay to win by any means. Some people would rather purchase a scroll and sell it to make some money in game. Others just want to spend ingame gold only. Both sets of players benefit really and it is not making either of these people pay to win.

http://tera.enmasse.com/news/posts/introducing-chronoscrolls  There is a link to educate yourself on them.

 

  Deron_Barak

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3/29/12 10:56:14 PM#29
The only thing I don't like about Chronoscrolls is that there doesn't seem to be a cap to how many you can own or a "cooldown" once you do. Time will tell if it does what it's supposed to do.

How much P2W Chronoscrolls is depends on what you can buy with the gold. Last time I checked people were complaining that crafted items were not as powerful as looted items. Also, items from dungeons are going to be BoP so those two things means that the amount of P2W Chronoscrolls will be is close to nothing.

As far as vanity items go I also thought it was a rip off of subscribers until I thought about the numbers. Would one of the featured items take a whole month to make for one person? Probably not. If BHS sells 200 mounts at 25.00 a pop that's $5,000... I'm sure the items will pay for themselves and more.

Is it nice to get more development than the 15.00 I pay every month? I'm sure it will be.

Just not worth my time anymore.

  Pivotelite

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3/29/12 11:03:21 PM#30
Originally posted by Deron_Barak
The only thing I don't like about Chronoscrolls is that there doesn't seem to be a cap to how many you can own or a "cooldown" once you do. Time will tell if it does what it's supposed to do.

 

They said there will be a cap on how many you can buy per X amount of time I believe, it was in one of Taugrims interviews.

 

Also Sector, anyone who wants to buy gold in any game will and its not that hard to do, at least now people can buy from the source, benefiting the company and someone in game can get a free subscription, benefiting that player and the person that would have instead bought gold is at less risk of being scammed by a third party site. So all in all, it seems much more beneficial than gold sellers providing the gold to gold buyers.

  stormseekaz

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3/29/12 11:04:27 PM#31

*facepalm*  Ugh this makes me so happy that I canceled my En Masse preorder about a week ago...

I'm becoming really afraid that every single game is going to have a cash shop now.  The thing that bothers me most about it is that cash shops prey on people's addictive personalities.  Its a shameful thing for companies to do.

  Deron_Barak

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Posts: 1139

3/29/12 11:28:28 PM#32
A person blaming someone else for their problems is pointless and only hurts themselves.

Just not worth my time anymore.

  rexzshadow

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3/29/12 11:36:09 PM#33
Originally posted by stormseekaz

*facepalm*  Ugh this makes me so happy that I canceled my En Masse preorder about a week ago...

I'm becoming really afraid that every single game is going to have a cash shop now.  The thing that bothers me most about it is that cash shops prey on people's addictive personalities.  Its a shameful thing for companies to do.

Almost every single company does it not just games lol.

  Sector13

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3/30/12 1:38:40 AM#34
Originally posted by Beacker
Originally posted by Sector13
Originally posted by Deron_Barak
Originally posted by Sector13
Originally posted by Deron_Barak
Originally posted by Sector13

Another attempt to bleed money from their small niche of a fanbase. Make you pay and sub and add a cash shop, wow, why even bother with P2Ps anymore?

Because the purchases aren't required?

They aren't required in F2Ps either but people still complain about them ... or is TERA different just because it's the game you happen to like atm?

Come now Sector, you knew what I was refering to.  In case you didn't here is a short explaination:

P2W, otherwise known as "Play to Win", is a term used when an MMO's items shop contains items that give a tactical advantage to the buyer over players that choose not to buy them.

Items from a shop that do not fit this description are refered to as "Vanity Items".  These can be special looking mounts, weapons and armor that are for looks and other items of a "visual only" nature.

"Required" has to do with being at a disadvantage if you don't purchase P2W items, that's why people complain about them though they should expect it from a F2P title.  If an MMO with a sub model does it they will never get my business.  I don't think any company is stupid enough to try considering it's harder to release a sub game and any bad publicity can be disasterous.

Depends where you draw the line with P2W and Required. There are plenty of F2Ps that only have vanity and convinence items but people still call them P2W. I don't see how a Chronoscroll is any different from a P2W item but people are more then willing to defend it for some stange purpose. The idea that there are items in the game that are only available by paying IRL money should be considered a bad thing ... but since it doesn't make your character better then it's ok? Don't see how that is any different then DLC, especially in a game you have to buy and then pay a sub for. They expect you to pay for even more content on top of that. Wow, it must be nice to be in love with a game so much that you don't mind that they rip you off. I wish I had that kind of money to just throw away.

The Chronoscroll is suppose to be used to take away from the RMT. Also I don't see it being a big deal since Person A can purchase it for real money and then person B can then pay for it with ingame gold. Essentially you can be the person buying the scrolls for ingame gold you farm and never pay for a sub thus it is free. What is wrong with that? Chronoscrolls are not pay to win by any means. Some people would rather purchase a scroll and sell it to make some money in game. Others just want to spend ingame gold only. Both sets of players benefit really and it is not making either of these people pay to win.

http://tera.enmasse.com/news/posts/introducing-chronoscrolls  There is a link to educate yourself on them.

I love that fans keep linking like I don't know what they are. Though it seems you guys would rather be ignorant the understand the meaning of P2W is. It's facepalm worthy to see how you can defend this practice and not at least quesiton it. A person pays money for an in game item for gold, spending real money for in game gold that gives them an advantage over other players ... that's what P2W is ... but whatever, trying to convince blind fans is no different then talking to brick walls, but at least brick walls serve an actual purpose in life.

  Sector13

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3/30/12 1:45:07 AM#35
Originally posted by Pivotelite
Originally posted by Deron_Barak
The only thing I don't like about Chronoscrolls is that there doesn't seem to be a cap to how many you can own or a "cooldown" once you do. Time will tell if it does what it's supposed to do.

 

They said there will be a cap on how many you can buy per X amount of time I believe, it was in one of Taugrims interviews.

 

Also Sector, anyone who wants to buy gold in any game will and its not that hard to do, at least now people can buy from the source, benefiting the company and someone in game can get a free subscription, benefiting that player and the person that would have instead bought gold is at less risk of being scammed by a third party site. So all in all, it seems much more beneficial than gold sellers providing the gold to gold buyers.

So, a company says RMT through them is ok, so RMT is ok all of a sudden? It's just a company using another method to get money from you instead of another source. I swear, BHS and EME are just going to throw anything in the cash shop and not care cause you guys are so loyal over this game that it's not even funny. They can do anything and you'll find a way to defend it. They could give away max level characters and you guys would find a reason to defend it.

  Ganathar

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3/30/12 4:19:11 AM#36

I don't like the idea of TERA having a cash shop, even if it's only for cosmetic items. However we are getting ahead of ourselves, EME dosen't have to put this CS in the NA version. http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/EMEs-Response-to-Koreas-Item-Shop-Announcement?page=1#post-191786

I just hope they don't put it in the game. Sure it won't affect me much but still...

  Xasapis

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3/30/12 4:24:11 AM#37

The only thing that we know is included for now in the western version is the chronoscrolls, which is the EVE's Plex equivalent or GW2 ... something equivalent.

TSW, we know for a fact that it'll include some sort of cash shop. Tera, not so much.

  Shroom_Mage

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It's all or nothin'!

3/30/12 5:39:50 AM#38

Don't know if this is indicative of anything, but...

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftera.hangame.com%2Fshop%2Fpopup%2FtcatInfoAdd.nhn&act=url

If I'm understanding Google's (poor) translation correctly, they appear to be selling non-cosmetic items for T-cats.

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  rexzshadow

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3/30/12 6:03:27 AM#39
Originally posted by Shroom_Mage

Don't know if this is indicative of anything, but...

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftera.hangame.com%2Fshop%2Fpopup%2FtcatInfoAdd.nhn&act=url

If I'm understanding Google's (poor) translation correctly, they appear to be selling non-cosmetic items for T-cats.

there seem to be some convience item like prevent crystal from breaking, on the spot rez item, reset cooldown on dungeon, make none enchantable item enchantable, guild hp and mp buff, and i think an item that locks your item so it can't be traded? So far nothing game breaking, the equips be total waste of money considering how easy they are to get. Still i prefer hats instead =X

  User Deleted
3/30/12 6:07:46 AM#40

LMAO this is soooo ironic in so many ways. Hi, TERA fans, yeah that's right your game now has a store as well. yep.

I await the day they add potions or scrolls for minor game enhancements so we can see the ten thousand posts about it in the forums about the evils of have 1 hour experience enhancement and how it will be game breaking, rape and pillage and cause whole cities to become a pillar of dust.

Yeah that post about the items, am i missing something or are they actually selling weapons. Kinda makes me smile a bit more if they are considering GW2 isn't 

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