Originally posted by corpusc

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

 My guess is TERA will go F2P in 6-12 months after launch, as they should have, considering it is everywhere else.

 

this is true of just about all MMOs released these days.  and its BY DESIGN.

they fully INTEND to go f2p after they milk as much as they can out of box sales & initial subscriptions (which pretty much always drop from launch day).  standard business practice.

thats because no one wants to play in an empty server:p

Originally posted by corpusc

Originally posted by Mannish

I followed Dragon Nest for years and when it first came out I was really enjoying it till the instanced gameplay just totally killed it for me. This is 2012 and no mmo should be instanced anymore and if it is I will not even touch it. People saying Dragon Nest is just as good or better then TERA is truly laughable. Go enjoy your instance linear gameplay / instanced arena pvp while I am exploring an beautifal open seemless world where pvp can happen anywhere and everywhere at any given time.

 

feel pretty much the same.   game seemed really great at first, until i got up to like level 6 or so, and i'm like "oh yeah......its all (except cities) instanced......that's why despite the great combat the world feels so lifeless.  

also the world design seemed a little too A to B tunnelly. 

 

man i would loveDNest if it was open world everywhere, and let you run in one direction for a long time without being railed by tunnels.

 

because of this, its ridiculous to compare it (or Vindictus) to Tera.   people like me won't ever play DN or Vindictus cuz they they aren't MMOs.

You can't get DN and vindictus combat because it would cause so much lag. The thing is highspeed internet isn't a common thing yet, until everyone have high speed internet any game like that would be impratical in open world. Having 4 people flying all over the map is one thing, even in DN when you get to lot of people it lags. Imagine open world like Tera when you get over 100+ people in 1 area all doing high speed movement flying all over the place.... ya can't even play at all.

Originally posted by corpusc

how does the PVP system work in DN?

 

is there a level requirement to participate?

 

are there enough players that you can find opponents at/near your level to fight?

DN pvp is only arena, you can set room by lvl if you wish but ya like people said to even remotely compete with people you have to gear your self out like crazy. Ranked pvp is only for people at lvl cap. pretty much how ever fps works really. only unbalanced lol like most f2p games.

No.. just... no...

Originally posted by rexzshadow

Originally posted by corpusc

Originally posted by Mannish

I followed Dragon Nest for years and when it first came out I was really enjoying it till the instanced gameplay just totally killed it for me. This is 2012 and no mmo should be instanced anymore and if it is I will not even touch it. People saying Dragon Nest is just as good or better then TERA is truly laughable. Go enjoy your instance linear gameplay / instanced arena pvp while I am exploring an beautifal open seemless world where pvp can happen anywhere and everywhere at any given time.

 

feel pretty much the same.   game seemed really great at first, until i got up to like level 6 or so, and i'm like "oh yeah......its all (except cities) instanced......that's why despite the great combat the world feels so lifeless.  

also the world design seemed a little too A to B tunnelly. 

 

man i would loveDNest if it was open world everywhere, and let you run in one direction for a long time without being railed by tunnels.

 

because of this, its ridiculous to compare it (or Vindictus) to Tera.   people like me won't ever play DN or Vindictus cuz they they aren't MMOs.

You can't get DN and vindictus combat because it would cause so much lag. The thing is highspeed internet isn't a common thing yet, until everyone have high speed internet any game like that would be impratical in open world. Having 4 people flying all over the map is one thing, even in DN when you get to lot of people it lags. Imagine open world like Tera when you get over 100+ people in 1 area all doing high speed movement flying all over the place.... ya can't even play at all.

Originally posted by corpusc

how does the PVP system work in DN?

 

is there a level requirement to participate?

 

are there enough players that you can find opponents at/near your level to fight?

DN pvp is only arena, you can set room by lvl if you wish but ya like people said to even remotely compete with people you have to gear your self out like crazy. Ranked pvp is only for people at lvl cap. pretty much how ever fps works really. only unbalanced lol like most f2p games.

White geared Guardian<-(Tank) vs a Geared Crusader<--(Considered the ez mode pvp class at the time)

I don't know from under where these cheap advertisers are crawling out of. First it was C9, then it was RaiderZ and now it's DN? Give me a break.

Anyone who wanted to play those (Vind, DN) have played those games or will be (C9, RaiderZ). They're dead in the water and using TERA to leverage them is just cheap.

They are DUNGEON CRAWLERS. Instanced up the wazoo and brutal cash shops. If you like that, FINE, go ahead and play them. What's that? You won't? Oh that's right, because hardly anyone is playing them, ha.

And still on the TERA combat business? Oh brother. If you like the feeling of swinging your axe as if it were a pencil, play the F2P cash shop ones. If you like feeling combat has actual heft and there are tactics involved, play TERA.

If you like this fuckery on your screen (http://youtu.be/XueFEmNqhLk?t=2m33s) then stick to DN or whatever.

If you like this other kind of fuckery on your screen (http://youtu.be/po28_6gq0z0?t=4m6s) then play TERA.

*using grandpa voice* Get off my TERA lawn you F2P cheap combat kiddies 

STAY AWAY FROM NEXON GAMES.  They start off well enough, but after they get the initial mass of players they switch gears and suddenly everything is pay2win and content takes longer and longer to come out.   The NA branch is especially notorious for pretty much ignoring account hacking/botting/exploiting.

There was a MASSIVE hack way on Vindictus last September to November and the forums mods outright denied it at first, deleting threads that cropped up complaining about it.   At the end they admitted that there was a serious breach, but they basically did nothing until the Korean fix rolled over.   Nobody got their accounts/items back either.

Then there's the rampant botting/hacking/exploiting on the servers which the NA devs pretty much do nothing about.   When they do ban people they seemingly ban a ton of legit players while letting a lot of hackers off scott free.   Servers go down for maintenance once a week but have been getting progressively worse since last August or so.   The couple of times they took the server down for emergency maintenance to 'stablize' them, they ended up even worse than before.

Avoid Nexon at all costs.   

I have played both games, and I agree on what most have been saying about Nexon games. F2P + Cash shop = Pay 2 Win.

But combat wise, DN is like, and in some cases better, than TERA. What got me irked is that TERA is advertising their game as if it were a brand new practice. Maybe mainstream players have never heard of it, but the action MMORPG has been out for a very long time, even if it is not very well known.

I do hope TERA does well, only in hopes that other developers make a game from the ground up based on action, and steer away from enhancements and even leveling. They should do something along the lines of Monster Hunter, where you get all the skills you will ever get the moment you start the game, and only with time and practice do you get well enough to continue doing the more difficult challenges of the game. Only way to get gear is to use the drops from the monsters you defeat to make better gear, which in turn makes certain other encounters easier by the way of being able to deal more damage, mitigate more, or give you higher avoidance. If an MMO does come out like that (cause Capcom is keeping MH:Frontier as a Japan only MMO), it will definately be a big pull for myself at least, and I wont mind paying a monthly subscription for it.

Originally posted by Sephastus

I have played both games, and I agree on what most have been saying about Nexon games. F2P + Cash shop = Pay 2 Win.

But combat wise, DN is like, and in some cases better, than TERA. What got me irked is that TERA is advertising their game as if it were a brand new practice. Maybe mainstream players have never heard of it, but the action MMORPG has been out for a very long time, even if it is not very well known.

I do hope TERA does well, only in hopes that other developers make a game from the ground up based on action, and steer away from enhancements and even leveling. They should do something along the lines of Monster Hunter, where you get all the skills you will ever get the moment you start the game, and only with time and practice do you get well enough to continue doing the more difficult challenges of the game. Only way to get gear is to use the drops from the monsters you defeat to make better gear, which in turn makes certain other encounters easier by the way of being able to deal more damage, mitigate more, or give you higher avoidance. If an MMO does come out like that (cause Capcom is keeping MH:Frontier as a Japan only MMO), it will definately be a big pull for myself at least, and I wont mind paying a monthly subscription for it.

well only problem is lot of people like the feeling of progression aka lvling up getting new skill and armor. I guess could work based on pure gear progression, but than it feel like just 1 instance grind after other. because there is no need for open world since your just farming dungeons for gear progression. Even if its open world bosses like BAM in tera thats all you have, is just BAM after BAM after BAM.

Ehh the combat in DN did not feel that much more fluid than TERA. I am not a big fan of TERA but I would play it over DN any day. DN is just too silly looking for me to get into it. TERA has a much more immersive world.

This thread is crazy.

I played Dragon Nest and Vindictus for about a month each, and enjoyed my time on both, but comparing them to TERA is ridiculous.  You might as well compare Diablo to Shadowbane.

Originally posted by marzatplay

Having BETA tested TERA this past weekend I have to admit I enjoyed Dragon Nest more then TERA. To be honest, TERA is Dragon Nest in an open world really but I just didn't have as much fun in TERA. I've played lots of themepark MMO's and currently playign RIFT. I just don't see myself subbing to TERA.

Dragon Nest certainly is worth the download if you like TERA. Playing TERA I kept thinking how Dragon Nest did the combat better, and made the gameplay overall more fun. In Dragon Nest you don't have those kill 10 of these and 10 of those. The biggest downfall to Dragon Nest however is that it is an instanced game similar to the original Guild Wars, but once you get used to it, it's very addicting.

I have not played Dragon Nest in 2 months while I'm subbed to RIFT again, but those were my thoughts during this BETA weekend for TERA. I don't think I'll be buying TERA and subbing when I can play a better game in Dragon Nest for free. Don't get me wrong, there is a cash shop in Dragon Nest but the only thing you really need to buy  is more inventory space and it's is not a P2W cash shop (although it is over priced on a lot of fluff items).

I honestly didn't come here to promote Dragon Nest or give a bad review about TERA. I think they're both good games, but I found myself having more fun when I did play Dragon Nest in the past. I only subbed to RIFT for the 1 year anniversary celebrations. I'll be going back to Dragon Nest before GW2 comes out.

Anyone else played Dragon Nest and can compare what they thought about TERA vs Dragon Nest?

Tera is all about end game...so you really can't compare it at this point.

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Originally posted by gaeanprayer
Graphics-wise, TERA is far greater than DN. But I don't particularly care about that (I still spend a lot of time playing snes/genesis games), and in terms of gameplay the only thing TERA has over DN is that it's open-world.

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Originally posted by gaeanprayerOtherwise, the combat is far more action-packed in DN, not to mention the skills are more extravagent and satisfying (I'll take dropping a gigantic pulsing relic over a few balls of sparkly holy power any day), and the "themepark" mechanics are presented better. And it's free.

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Originally posted by gaeanprayer
I should point out however, that it's far better to compare RaiderZ to TERA than DN. They're much more similar in that they're 'action-mmos' in an open-world setting with very high-end graphics (RaiderZ is absolutely beautiful, and f2p). 

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Anyone else see the logical fallacies in this? ;p

Originally posted by ChromeBallz

 

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Originally posted by gaeanprayer
Graphics-wise, TERA is far greater than DN. But I don't particularly care about that (I still spend a lot of time playing snes/genesis games), and in terms of gameplay the only thing TERA has over DN is that it's open-world.

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Originally posted by gaeanprayerOtherwise, the combat is far more action-packed in DN, not to mention the skills are more extravagent and satisfying (I'll take dropping a gigantic pulsing relic over a few balls of sparkly holy power any day), and the "themepark" mechanics are presented better. And it's free.

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Originally posted by gaeanprayer
I should point out however, that it's far better to compare RaiderZ to TERA than DN. They're much more similar in that they're 'action-mmos' in an open-world setting with very high-end graphics (RaiderZ is absolutely beautiful, and f2p). 

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Anyone else see the logical fallacies in this? ;p

That Raiderz looks horrible? I mean its like literaly mabinogi lvl graphic which isn't very high at all.

@OP

First, Nice sig.

Second, DN is a good game... say it with me now... for a F2P title.  The only thing you could possibly compare between the two games is the combat fluididty(not sure this is a word).  By now most people know about the stop in movement for certain skills. Many people have pointed out the reasons for it and what you can change about your character as you progress to remove some of them (see Archer's "charged shot".  Early on you cannot move while it's "charging").

Comparing anything else TERA has to offer to DN really doesn't seem serious to me.  Yes, the combat is TERA's most noted feature but there is a whole lot more to the game than that.

Dragon nest bored me to tears, the quests were boring, the grind was dull, the classes were boring, the combat was laggy despite the heavy instancing, it was fun for all of a day due to the novelty of it all

TERA is open world, thus making it a million times more fun from the get-go, for 1 reason, OPEN WORLD PVP, real-time combat with the possibility of open-world PVP makes things so much more fun from the outset

Not only that, it requires more than just skill spamming, TERAs combat had a much more interesting, methodical approach, with faster classes should you want it, and it felt great

But the main thing TERA has over DN...THE COMBAT ISN'T LAGGY. Despite me being in the UK and playing on the NA TERA server, despite the fact it's open world and supporting far more players at once, the combat in TERA STILL manages to be more responsive

So what would I rather play? A mashy, instanced game with laggy combat, or a methodical, open-world game with responsive combat? The choice is obvious, if I really wanted to play a DN-style game though, I'd play Vindictus anyways

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Originally posted by rexzshadow

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Originally posted by ChromeBallz
 

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Originally posted by gaeanprayer
Graphics-wise, TERA is far greater than DN. But I don't particularly care about that (I still spend a lot of time playing snes/genesis games), and in terms of gameplay the only thing TERA has over DN is that it's open-world.


 
 

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Originally posted by gaeanprayerOtherwise, the combat is far more action-packed in DN, not to mention the skills are more extravagent and satisfying (I'll take dropping a gigantic pulsing relic over a few balls of sparkly holy power any day), and the "themepark" mechanics are presented better. And it's free.

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Originally posted by gaeanprayer
I should point out however, that it's far better to compare RaiderZ to TERA than DN. They're much more similar in that they're 'action-mmos' in an open-world setting with very high-end graphics (RaiderZ is absolutely beautiful, and f2p). 

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Anyone else see the logical fallacies in this? ;p

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That Raiderz looks horrible? I mean its like literaly mabinogi lvl graphic which isn't very high at all.

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"I don't care about graphics"

immediately followed by

"Dn abilities look cooler"

and

"RaiderZ looks just as good so it's just as good as Tera"

I prefer the Tera

I love both games. To me, they are not games that really compare. Apples and oranges. Yes the combat are similar.

DN / Vindictus is non stop combat from level 1 to max. You can get away with using all your skills from 1 to 9 with little consequences. Of course when you attack bosses you have to be mindful of their attacks on your hp. Also, the higher then you level difficulty dungeons are more demanding and you need to have the best gear to finish the dungeon in one piece.

Tera is more of a strategic action combat mmo. You can't just spam attacks. ( You can for weaker smaller mobs) The point, I believe, to why almost all the skills dont work while running is so that you attack when there is an opening in the monsters attack/defense. Trying to attack a BAM for example, while he is attacking you is foolish. Of course, you really understand this feature at higher levels.

Anyways, both games are great and I would suggest anyone to try both out to see what they like.

Originally posted by rexzshadow

Originally posted by corpusc

 

 

You can't get DN and vindictus combat because it would cause so much lag. The thing is highspeed internet isn't a common thing yet, until everyone have high speed internet any game like that would be impratical in open world. Having 4 people flying all over the map is one thing, even in DN when you get to lot of people it lags. Imagine open world like Tera when you get over 100+ people in 1 area all doing high speed movement flying all over the place.... ya can't even play at all.

 

 

sure you can. 

Planetside  had massive battles, & PS2 is on the way,

and i'm in the beta for another action MMO that has WAY faster action than those even.  where you NEVER have to stop, in many cases you're not even encouraged to (in order to improve your aim, as many of the weapons don't have spreading crosshairs)   this is with many players and many monsters all in a tight little area.

beyond that, all the players also have jump jets, so they have tons of VERTICAL movement as well.  AND.... the mobs even have these long, lunging leaps.

Tera's rooting was a design decision.

but thanks for the DN info.

Tera is really cool, I just like the action-combat. I enjoyed Vindictus, but at the end game it just became to much grindy and repetetive. I only wish Tera would not be so expensive else I would buy it instant.  ( yay first post ^^ )