Originally posted by Nethriil
So as far as i see gw2 is a pvp game right? I find it a bit Odd that the focus is on pvp as i d Think the major player base plays pve. This is atleast from my experience in wow where less than 1% of the population pvps. Anyway i enjoy wow arena so i will Play gw2

I've heard the 1% number thrown around as the number of folks that belong to a raiding guild ...Ive never heard 1% being used to describe folks that pvp ,might want to check your numbers on that call

Originally posted by Baddogbill

Originally posted by Nethriil
So as far as i see gw2 is a pvp game right? I find it a bit Odd that the focus is on pvp as i d Think the major player base plays pve. This is atleast from my experience in wow where less than 1% of the population pvps. Anyway i enjoy wow arena so i will Play gw2

I've heard the 1% number throwen around as the number of folks that belong to a raiding guild ...Ive never heard 1% being used to descripe folks that pvp ,might want to check your numbers on that call

 I've actually heard that 98% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Regarding the OP: I don't think it's fair to judge the game based upon what it is in the way you're doing it.

What it isn't is a sandbox game.

What you want is a sandbox game.

It's perfectly okay for GW2 to not be a sandbox game.

There are plenty of elements which are evolutionary, and even a few that are revolutionary (haven't been seen in MMOs before).

But if you don't care about the type of content that it's offering, you're not going to want to see that. So if the videos do nothing for you, then it's just better to move on and find a game which fits your needs. I believe Mortal Online does the sandboxy thing really lwell?

I also love sandbox but you have to be aware of something, first their pvp is usually beyond retarded, totally unbalanced, nobody to fight, you have to wander in the word for an eternity to find anyone that will be so scared to fight back they'll probably just run to the nearest town. And second they are like monumental time sink, to do anything (farming) you need to pour in them your entire live, that is also the reason why the pvp suck, because the time spend playing those games are all what is pvp about or almost. I mean i love sandbox and all, but those aspects are just the worst part in them, they have other really nice aspect though, but still those are the worst to me. And well GW2 seam to deal very well with those problems. So ye i'm not sure those will miss me a lot when playing GW2, but probably because i'll still have my little house in the forest protected by his thick brick wall and his trees i planted myself, his small farm and all this, ye in an other game ;D and no its not Archeage for those wondering.

OP needs to hang out with us over in the ArcheAge threads instead of pointing out that GW2 is not a sandbox.

Originally posted by Creslin321

Originally posted by Baddogbill

Originally posted by Nethriil
So as far as i see gw2 is a pvp game right? I find it a bit Odd that the focus is on pvp as i d Think the major player base plays pve. This is atleast from my experience in wow where less than 1% of the population pvps. Anyway i enjoy wow arena so i will Play gw2

I've heard the 1% number throwen around as the number of folks that belong to a raiding guild ...Ive never heard 1% being used to descripe folks that pvp ,might want to check your numbers on that call

 I've actually heard that 98% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Millions of statistics are also overstated.

You do realise things like 'Housing' can be added after launch right ?

I have faith in Arenanet and they will do all they can to cater to their playerbase. If enough people want it, they will put it.

As for GW2 itself, I 100% agree with Loke666's post. It is an EVOLUTION of MMOs. Every aspect is evolutionary of this game.

Their approach to most things however is revolutionary, since its new. 

Sure public quests have been around since WAR. But have they been linked into story chains across the map? No? That is revolutionary since it hasn't been done before.

Originally posted by maxiime223

mini games are only fun for a while you know... I want player housing, cooking, building, agriculture.

You want a sandbox, which this is not and never claimed to be. Archage, Salem, etc., that way ->

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by anigous

Anyone who has played an MMORPG other than WoW will notice one thing about Guild Wars 2. Rather than the game of the year everyone is making it out to seem, it's just natural progression.

Certain non-targeting skills? Movement while casting? Events? Exploring? These are all things that GW2 is taking from other games, and the first time you play Guild Wars 2; you'll just feel like you played a better MMORPG. To be honest, the lack of player created content, player economy, and some non-combat or non-exploration forms of entertainment put me off. 

1=GW2 is a evolution of themeparks and should be seen like that.

2=What you seems to be looking for is a game the evolves sandboxes instead, that game will be World of darkness online..

Sandboxes and themeparks or not better or worse than the other type but some people prefer one or the other (I kinda like both). Find the right for you.

IS it me or did you essentially just write the op's post back to him? :P

1. yep that's basically what he said

2. Has CCP even mentioned the types of things they will incorporate into WOD? IE social game-play?

Originally posted by Dragonantis

GW2 is a pretty good evolution in the chain of MMO's, its not a carbon copy clone like others, its trying its best to create the future of gaming, and I think its gotten a good start.

It may not be a carbon copy of another game, but it is a frankenstein of elements of dead and dying gamees that have been used before.  To say it is a foundation for the future is laughable.

Originally posted by Mardin

Originally posted by Dragonantis

GW2 is a pretty good evolution in the chain of MMO's, its not a carbon copy clone like others, its trying its best to create the future of gaming, and I think its gotten a good start.

It may not be a carbon copy of another game, but it is a frankenstein of elements of dead and dying gamees that have been used before.  To say it is a foundation for the future is laughable.

To say it's a frankenstein of elements is laughable.

They've been building this game from the ground up for years now. Implying that this game is some kind of hack is just making an arse of yourself. While they are taking elements from other games, they are only including elements that not only make sense, but also fit into their design scheme. Unlike some other games that basically just grab whatever is popular and try and bandaid it into their game.

Originally posted by aesperus

Originally posted by Mardin

Originally posted by Dragonantis

GW2 is a pretty good evolution in the chain of MMO's, its not a carbon copy clone like others, its trying its best to create the future of gaming, and I think its gotten a good start.

It may not be a carbon copy of another game, but it is a frankenstein of elements of dead and dying gamees that have been used before.  To say it is a foundation for the future is laughable.

To say it's a frankenstein of elements is laughable.

They've been building this game from the ground up for years now. Implying that this game is some kind of hack is just making an arse of yourself. While they are taking elements from other games, they are only including elements that not only make sense, but also fit into their design scheme. Unlike some other games that basically just grab whatever is popular and try and bandaid it into their game.

Hello again Aesperus!  I was about to post a rebutle, then I realized you basically admitted the same point.  Thanks for backing me up!

The OP's post is this:

*starts playing battlefield 3*

'I don't like this game that much because it's not like tribes: Ascend, therefore i don't think anyone will'

Same overarcing genre, but vastly different sub-genres.

Same as 'themepark' versus 'sandbox'. Although GW2 is definitely an evolution of the former, which inevitably makes it feel more like the latter, but with the advanatges retained from themepark designs. OP, this is not the game you're looking for, and you're not the kind of player GW2 is looking for.

Originally posted by anigous

Anyone who has played an MMORPG other than WoW will notice one thing about Guild Wars 2. Rather than the game of the year everyone is making it out to seem, it's just natural progression.

 

Certain non-targeting skills? Movement while casting? Events? Exploring? These are all things that GW2 is taking from other games, and the first time you play Guild Wars 2; you'll just feel like you played a better MMORPG. To be honest, the lack of player created content, player economy, and some non-combat or non-exploration forms of entertainment put me off. 

This post is new and interesting and contributes in a meaningful way to the discussion.

Originally posted by Unlight

Originally posted by anigous

Anyone who has played an MMORPG other than WoW will notice one thing about Guild Wars 2. Rather than the game of the year everyone is making it out to seem, it's just natural progression.

 

Certain non-targeting skills? Movement while casting? Events? Exploring? These are all things that GW2 is taking from other games, and the first time you play Guild Wars 2; you'll just feel like you played a better MMORPG. To be honest, the lack of player created content, player economy, and some non-combat or non-exploration forms of entertainment put me off. 

This post is new and interesting and contributes in a meaningful way to the discussion.

Sarcasm lvl 100! 

Maybe one day everyone will understand and accept that sandbox and theme park are two completely separate subgenres and stop complaining, "There's nothing to do in this sandbox game!" or "There's no player-created content in this theme park game!"

It's like complaining that that there's no FFA Deathmatch in TF2. It's just a poorly thought out suggestion.

Originally posted by anigous

Anyone who has played an MMORPG other than WoW will notice one thing about Guild Wars 2. Rather than the game of the year everyone is making it out to seem, it's just natural progression.

 

Certain non-targeting skills? Movement while casting? Events? Exploring? These are all things that GW2 is taking from other games, and the first time you play Guild Wars 2; you'll just feel like you played a better MMORPG. To be honest, the lack of player created content, player economy, and some non-combat or non-exploration forms of entertainment put me off. 

I'm not sure if you were praising the game or bashing it....... I'll go for both.

Originally posted by EvilestTwin

Originally posted by maxiime223

mini games are only fun for a while you know... I want player housing, cooking, building, agriculture.

And a lot of people don't want to spend 10 hours of grinding just so they can have 1 hour of fun.   

To be fair if accumulating the reources it takes is actaully fun then I don't see a problem with that. Sometimes there's a greater sense of satisfaction when something does take longer but doesn't feel tedious.