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General Discussion  » In WvW, siege weapons cost gold. Gems buyers have a WvW advantage

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  ChuvarHrama

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3/28/12 5:48:11 PM#61

OP im just curious for what company do u work for? Is the pay good for bashing GW2?

  Quizzical

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3/28/12 5:48:51 PM#62

And how much gold do they cost?  If they're cheap enough that hardly ever is any side having to scale back on siege weapons for lack of gold, then it's just a gold sink and not an imbalance problem.

  pb1285n

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3/28/12 5:49:39 PM#63
The flawed logic in this debate is that people think you can buy gold. This is not true.

You can buy gems which can be traded for gold to other players on your server. Buying 1 gem will not add any additional gold into the server economy. A player will still have to earn gold the same way everyone else does in order to buy that gem. So if we are looking at this from a WvWvW standpoint then the balance of power is not altered. If one player buys 1000 gems, he will need to find players who have farmed the gold in the first place in order to trade for the gems. Since they are on the same team in PvP it doesn't matter who has the gold, it all came from a legitimate source, all the gems did was move it around.

This could affect PvP if players from the same server were pitted against each other but that is not the case.

This doesn't take into account the likelyhood that one server purchasing that many more gems then another server to make a huge difference in PvP is incredibly slim.
  Kuppa

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The problem with censorship is ********

3/28/12 5:51:37 PM#64
Originally posted by xeniar
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by xeniar
Originally posted by Kuppa

A simple limit on supply cap or siege weapons "fixes" this incredibly imporant and highly unbalanced issue you guys found.

uh no.

 

im actually more concerned about chumps using siege machines depleting recources wich could vitaly used in other things. that is the problem i see

what part of what I said did you not understand?

putting in a suply cap issnt good because recources could be spend too quickly by chumps with siege machines. now limiting siege machines issnt a good option because said chumps will hog the machines destroying any kind of tactic a server could come up with. hi double edged sword.

Lets keep thinking along with this amaizing problem you guys found. First, chumps doing all the smart things you are talking about is a problem that can still happen without a CS. Second, who the heck is going to help chumps, like you call em, in buidling their SW by giving them their supply.

 

Before you reply, think about the amaizing level of reality that is involved in our little conversation and how VERY probable all of our "scenarios" are. 


  Requiamer

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3/28/12 5:51:42 PM#65
Originally posted by st4t1ck
 

did you read the post? there's a picture of exactly how much it cost

Sorry if it doesn't tell me anything... I have no idea how much they are worth, and how much time you need to spend to get a gold. But if its chump change then good.

  Betakodo

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OP  3/28/12 5:52:04 PM#66

You could easily just buy the siege golem, the only mobile siege weapon and set it up right at a resource camp. Supply is not an issue there, because that is the source of it, then move to the fight.

What's to say the hundreds of people around you won't help you build this stuff with their supply anyways?

  st4t1ck

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3/28/12 5:55:25 PM#67
Originally posted by Betakodo

You could easily just buy the siege golem, the only mobile siege weapon and set it up right at a resource camp. Supply is not an issue there, because that is the source of it, then move to the fight.

What's to say the hundreds of people around you won't help you build this stuff with their supply anyways?

who's to say you dont die during the slow as all hell walk all the way to the tower.  who's to say you own a resource camp around the tower you want to seige.  who's to say there isnt fighting at the resource camp itself?

  Unlight

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3/28/12 5:56:17 PM#68
Originally posted by Cinge

It doesn't matter, its still a advantage by using out-of-game means.

<snip>

So is my three day headstart.  The headstart program is P2W!   The sky REALLY is falling this time!!!

  Kuppa

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The problem with censorship is ********

3/28/12 5:57:11 PM#69
Originally posted by Betakodo

You could easily just buy the siege golem, the only mobile siege weapon and set it up right at a resource camp. Supply is not an issue there, because that is the source of it, then move to the fight.

What's to say the hundreds of people around you won't help you build this stuff with their supply anyways?

Of course! the bottleneck here IS the abundant gold that people are earning constantly and NOT the supply you get from WvW only....got it


  adam_nox

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3/28/12 5:58:12 PM#70

You can't buy or sell supply?  What if players want to just hold onto 10 supply and prevent their side from building unless someone pays them some gems?

  Kuppa

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The problem with censorship is ********

3/28/12 5:58:24 PM#71
Originally posted by st4t1ck
Originally posted by Betakodo

You could easily just buy the siege golem, the only mobile siege weapon and set it up right at a resource camp. Supply is not an issue there, because that is the source of it, then move to the fight.

What's to say the hundreds of people around you won't help you build this stuff with their supply anyways?

who's to say you dont die during the slow as all hell walk all the way to the tower.  who's to say you own a resource camp around the tower you want to seige.  who's to say there isnt fighting at the resource camp itself?

hey hey hey enough with all your hypotetical crap mister! This is 100% reality scenarios we are talking about here. No corner cases ok!


  Betakodo

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OP  3/28/12 5:59:02 PM#72
Originally posted by st4t1ck

who's to say you dont die during the slow as all hell walk all the way to the tower.  who's to say you own a resource camp around the tower you want to seige.  who's to say there isnt fighting at the resource camp itself?

It will take many non-gundams to destroy one gundam pilot in a siege golem! Who's to say the siege golem will not be part of a gem buyers elite club? Who's to say the resource camp is yours? Who's to say the sky won't fall on us?

  ChuvarHrama

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3/28/12 5:59:33 PM#73
Originally posted by adam_nox

You can't buy or sell supply?  What if players want to just hold onto 10 supply and prevent their side from building unless someone pays them some gems?

You can't be serious... 

  Kuppa

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The problem with censorship is ********

3/28/12 5:59:41 PM#74
Originally posted by adam_nox

You can't buy or sell supply?  What if players want to just hold onto 10 supply and prevent their side from building unless someone pays them some gems?

Your brain is awesome.


  NMStudio

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3/28/12 6:00:32 PM#75
Originally posted by romanator0

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Supply

Doesn't matter how much gold you have. You can't do shit without supply. Do your research next time.

and all of that gold is just going to make that supply more expensive, making it even more necessary for you to buy gems to turn into gold.

This game is going to require money to keep it going, that's a fact of life too many people refuse to see.  B2P is marketting bullshit.  There's no monthly subscription, so the money has to come from somewhere... and it's coming from the cash shop.  And no one will buy from the cash shop unless they've given the reason to do so, so these reasons are built into the very foundation of the game.

I'm not saying i'm against paying cash for gold, that's just fine, but people need to look at it and accept it for what it is. 

All of the bullshit the fanboi's have been saying over and over that the cash should would be "Cosmetic items only" has been completely proven false. 

  NMStudio

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3/28/12 6:02:11 PM#76
Originally posted by ChuvarHrama
Originally posted by adam_nox

You can't buy or sell supply?  What if players want to just hold onto 10 supply and prevent their side from building unless someone pays them some gems?

You can't be serious... 

It's not that far fetched... when we're talking about real cash here, I could make MONEY buy controlling the supply.  People do it in games where the gold has no real value, and this is only going to make it worse.

  ChuvarHrama

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3/28/12 6:02:28 PM#77
Originally posted by NMStudio
Originally posted by romanator0

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Supply

Doesn't matter how much gold you have. You can't do shit without supply. Do your research next time.

and all of that gold is just going to make that supply more expensive, making it even more necessary for you to buy gems to turn into gold.

This game is going to require money to keep it going, that's a fact of life too many people refuse to see.  B2P is marketting bullshit.  There's no monthly subscription, so the money has to come from somewhere... and it's coming from the cash shop.  And no one will buy from the cash shop unless they've given the reason to do so, so these reasons are built into the very foundation of the game.

I'm not saying i'm against paying cash for gold, that's just fine, but people need to look at it and accept it for what it is. 

All of the bullshit the fanboi's have been saying over and over that the cash should would be "Cosmetic items only" has been completely proven false. 

You can't buy supply. You lose.

  pb1285n

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3/28/12 6:02:36 PM#78
NMStudio it is easy to prove someone false if you ignore every logical argument and only respond to the dumb ones.
  Orphy123

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3/28/12 6:02:46 PM#79

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  st4t1ck

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3/28/12 6:04:17 PM#80
Originally posted by NMStudio
Originally posted by ChuvarHrama
Originally posted by adam_nox

You can't buy or sell supply?  What if players want to just hold onto 10 supply and prevent their side from building unless someone pays them some gems?

You can't be serious... 

It's not that far fetched... when we're talking about real cash here, I could make MONEY buy controlling the supply.  People do it in games where the gold has no real value, and this is only going to make it worse.

lol you can only hold 10 of something that is continuously created as long as you own the supply depot.  way to corner the market there

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