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General Discussion  » In WvW, siege weapons cost gold. Gems buyers have a WvW advantage

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  Meowhead

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3/28/12 5:03:38 PM#21

This is really only that meaningful when gold is the meaningful barrier to siege weapon purchases.

From the looks of it, supply is a much bigger concern, and the gold for siege weapons is relatively low.

  gladosrev2

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3/28/12 5:04:33 PM#22
Originally posted by Betakodo

Prices - http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Blueprints-ventor.png

What's the next excuse? WvW isn't PvP so it doesn't have to be fair? Siege weapons can be used against players or the all mighty fort door. Hell, every gem buyer can buy the most expensive, and the only mobile siege weapon, the siege golem (A gundam!).

For those that don't already know, you can buy gems in the cash shop, then trade them for gold with other players.

Roflmao - 30 silver for a blueprint, please go buy a million xD This is not Pay to Win this is Pay to Loose! You loose *because* you pay with real money for such blueprints, easily obtainable for gold by any free player.

As others have mentioned, supply is the actual problem here, that takes actual time in game, not the blueprints. At those rates all you need to do is kill a few mobs or sell one item in the market to buy as many of these as you like, no need to use gems and loose by paying real money. People, get some sense..

And even if you could buy siege weapons drectly from the shop, it does not matter, because the bonuses you get from WvW are insignificant in PvE, the few % won't be noticeable at all. And paying this much for the machines would still put you on the 'loosing' side, no matter if you actually take over a keep, because you are wasting real money on something easily obtainable in game. I would take huge pleaseure destroying the enemy's siege weapons, knowing he paid for it lol. So it's all good.

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  Skarecrow7

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3/28/12 5:04:55 PM#23

YES!  ANOTHER cash shop is evil thread!

 

You know, I am not a fan of the Cash shop and everything in it, but since I have yet to see how it works (since the game is not out yet) AND everything is still not settled (thus the nda that has been broken), I cant say too much.  Unfortantly every other thread is some chicken little screaming how the cash shop is going to destroy the game they have yet to play.  And if you say something like "hey, lets calm down and wait and see what happens instead of posting thread #1024 on how the cash shop is evil" then you are labled a fanboi.  If you dont want to play the game, fine.. but please let us who do be able to find a thread that isnt full of pitch forks and villiagers.

  Naqaj

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3/28/12 5:05:19 PM#24
Originally posted by Betakodo
Originally posted by romanator0

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Supply

Doesn't matter how much gold you have. You can't do shit without supply. Do your research next time.

Oh yeah, I'm sure people won't just go and GET the supply. The limiting reagent here is the GOLD. You can get supply from resource camps. Even says so in your link. [Mod Edit]

You can only get supply from camps you actually control, you need a lot more than you can carry, you need someone to defend the build site while you're off getting the supply, you need someone to actually use the equipment, you need someone to defend it ...

And you need to be stupid enoug to spend cash on something you're already getting just by playing.

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3/28/12 5:05:51 PM#25
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  Wolvards

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3/28/12 5:07:37 PM#26
Originally posted by Mavacar
10th of April can't get here soon enough ^^

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  Cinge

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3/28/12 5:07:56 PM#27
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Cinge
Originally posted by romanator0

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Supply

Doesn't matter how much gold you have. You can't do shit without supply. Do your research next time.

Not really roadblock, your side is going to want to hold/keep supply objectivies anyhow(to upgrade keeps, rebuild  doors etc).

 

His point still stands, someone who buys gems with $  and trades to gold can buy more Seige weapons.

 

Its funny watching all the people with GW2 sigs race to white knight any thread/post that may even be a "Slight" negative towards the game.

Blueprints you mean....which are useless by themselves 

It doesn't matter, its still a advantage by using out-of-game means.

 

Example :

 

One side has 2,500 supply but hardly anyone has the money for weapons(which from what i've seen and read can be the case in the early going). So they are just using player damage to kill the door.

 

The other side  has 1000 supply but someone bought a bunch of gems using $ and has a bunch of gold, he can buy a bunch of siege blueprints or give money to guildmates to buy each some and now they will take keeps/objectives infinately faster then the other group.

 

Trying to sweep the entire thing under the rug and say it can't or will not be a problem is retarded. It can obviously be a issue, especially in the early going.

 

Also based on game footage money doesn't seem to just flow in, hell was watching the guy do level 30 DEs and quest and rewards were like 2 silver currency. Now look a the cost of the "Good" siege blueprints 42s and 1g5s.

  Banisco

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3/28/12 5:08:05 PM#28
Originally posted by Naqaj
Originally posted by Betakodo
Originally posted by romanator0

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Supply

Doesn't matter how much gold you have. You can't do shit without supply. Do your research next time.

Oh yeah, I'm sure people won't just go and GET the supply. The limiting reagent here is the GOLD. You can get supply from resource camps. Even says so in your link. [Mod Edit]

You can only get supply from camps you actually control, you need a lot more than you can carry, you need someone to defend the build site while you're off getting the supply, you need someone to actually use the equipment, you need someone to defend it ...

And you need to be stupid enoug to spend cash on something you're already getting just by playing.

Welcome to a internet full of kids wich range from 11-18.

  RizelStar

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3/28/12 5:08:41 PM#29
Originally posted by L0C0Man

They also said that you can't carry more than 10 supply on you, and that any siege weapon (the golem is supposed to be the more expensive) will cost more supply than what a single person can carry.

As for the price of the blueprints, no idea how expensive they are. This is a screenshot on the wiki:

However no idea how easy/hard it is to get that kind of money in the game

 

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  fiontar

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3/28/12 5:09:09 PM#30

OMG, you can buy things with gold! People who farm gold will have an advantage in WvW!!! We have to limit the ability to earn gold, or this game will be so imbalanced!

As if other games don't have people who buy gold for $$$ from gold sellers, or people don't funnel cash from wealthy character to alts to give the new characters a leg up.

I swear some people seem to want a communist economic system in their MMOs all of a sudden...

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  Cinge

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3/28/12 5:09:19 PM#31
Originally posted by Naqaj
Originally posted by Betakodo
Originally posted by romanator0

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Supply

Doesn't matter how much gold you have. You can't do shit without supply. Do your research next time.

Oh yeah, I'm sure people won't just go and GET the supply. The limiting reagent here is the GOLD. You can get supply from resource camps. Even says so in your link. [Mod Edit]

 

And you need to be stupid enoug to spend cash on something you're already getting just by playing.

This is the whole point to cashshops, lol. If quite a few people didn't do what you call "Stupid" games wouldn't have them and they would all be P2p.

  Cinge

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3/28/12 5:12:34 PM#32
Originally posted by fiontar

OMG, you can buy things with gold! People who farm gold will have an advantage in WvW!!! We have to limit the ability to earn gold, or this game will be so imbalanced!

As if other games don't have people who buy gold for $$$ from gold sellers, or people don't funnel cash from wealthy character to alts to give the new characters a leg up.

I swear some people seem to want a communist economic system in their MMOs all of a sudden...

The difference is the person farming is PLAYING the game and gaining a advantage by in-game means.

 

If you can't see the difference, then I pity you.

  Maelkor

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3/28/12 5:13:40 PM#33

Overall the game is what it is. If this game doesnt appeal to you or you dont think it will appeal to you simply dont play it. Its that simple. While the devs may change a few things as beta goes on and they hear from the fanbase - they will not be changing anything major or they face the chance of breaking the game beyond repair right before release.

 

  Ankur

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3/28/12 5:14:06 PM#34
Originally posted by Naqaj
Originally posted by Betakodo
Originally posted by romanator0

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Supply

Doesn't matter how much gold you have. You can't do shit without supply. Do your research next time.

Oh yeah, I'm sure people won't just go and GET the supply. The limiting reagent here is the GOLD. You can get supply from resource camps. Even says so in your link. [Mod Edit]

You can only get supply from camps you actually control, you need a lot more than you can carry, you need someone to defend the build site while you're off getting the supply, you need someone to actually use the equipment, you need someone to defend it ...

And you need to be stupid enoug to spend cash on something you're already getting just by playing.

And how do you expect Anet to make money? wouldn't you want to support your dear Anet?

  Banisco

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3/28/12 5:15:33 PM#35
Originally posted by Cinge
Originally posted by fiontar

OMG, you can buy things with gold! People who farm gold will have an advantage in WvW!!! We have to limit the ability to earn gold, or this game will be so imbalanced!

As if other games don't have people who buy gold for $$$ from gold sellers, or people don't funnel cash from wealthy character to alts to give the new characters a leg up.

I swear some people seem to want a communist economic system in their MMOs all of a sudden...

The difference is the person farming is PLAYING the game and gaining a advantage by in-game means.

 

If you can't see the difference, then I pity you.

The diference is that one has gold because he plays a lot and the other has gold because hes "special". If you are one of those who think that time=power, then i pity you.

P.D: i hate cash shops with all my soul and i cant understand that if everybody is ragin about them who the hell will use them.

  Benthon

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3/28/12 5:19:48 PM#36

LOL! A meager 10s for a blueprint that doesn't actually build you anything. Oh gawd, the advantage!

He who keeps his cool best wins.

  User Deleted
3/28/12 5:20:34 PM#37

Love how so many people whine any way possible about the cash shop.

 

If it was P2P, guess what morons, people still buy gold and therefore B2P still wins. And thinking have access to ultimate siege stuff is going to turn the tide of battle? I think not. Sure, speeds up the process MAJORLY to break in, but if there are defenders or of course the 3rd server comes rolling up, makes little difference and as all these others pointed out to those who dont know how to research, just trolling, or complaining about stuff they cant fully comprehend the entire big picture across any game be it any MMO Money Making Payment Model used are amusing and only show they are ignorant.

 

Defense plays more of a part then just sieging to get in. So many pointless complaints but hey, if the game didnt have haters then obviously they arent doing something right.

 

No matter what anyone can argue a situation to make it sound valid, but in the Genre, anyone and alot of people do... buy gold from 3rd party sites, difference is now some more will do it, but it will be a mix across each server so complaining about someone Buying 2 Win when these battles are compareable to Dark Age of Camelot, then let them buy all the gems and trade for all the gold, woopie for a minor advantage in Siegings and/or Defending.

 

It happens in every game B2P, P2P, F2P so all the morons whining should be happy its B2P because the same sh!t would happen so better off not having to pay 2 play, but again as I said before all the whining is moot and irrevelant because you will have people on your server and in guilds equally across most and those who are use to P2P it isnt squat to dish out $15-$20 a month if its a game you love.

 

Everything can be argued either way sounding valid, but in the end what I said in this post is it! /wave trolls and whiners that cant look outside the box then a game they are looking forward to having a cash shop with Gem trading avaliable. Have fun wasting your time being a hater and not getting into what is already in a releasable state.

  Betakodo

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OP  3/28/12 5:20:53 PM#38
Originally posted by Ankur

And how do you expect Anet to make money? wouldn't you want to support your dear Anet?

You do realize the game costs $60 don't you? And the expansions/dlc are going to cost money too. Hell I'm betting they're going with DLC because they don't have to make a box or split the profit with stores like gamestop, but they're still going to keep the prices the same as if they were.

Originally posted by Benthon

LOL! A meager 10s for a blueprint that doesn't actually build you anything. Oh gawd, the advantage!

Yeah, it's not like meleeing a door takes forever. Even with 1 catapult - See press beta video by mmorpg where guy gets excited about auto-attack.

  RizelStar

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3/28/12 5:21:21 PM#39
Originally posted by Ankur
Originally posted by Naqaj
Originally posted by Betakodo
Originally posted by romanator0

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Supply

Doesn't matter how much gold you have. You can't do shit without supply. Do your research next time.

Oh yeah, I'm sure people won't just go and GET the supply. The limiting reagent here is the GOLD. You can get supply from resource camps. Even says so in your link. [Mod Edit]

You can only get supply from camps you actually control, you need a lot more than you can carry, you need someone to defend the build site while you're off getting the supply, you need someone to actually use the equipment, you need someone to defend it ...

And you need to be stupid enoug to spend cash on something you're already getting just by playing.

And how do you expect Anet to make money? wouldn't you want to support your dear Anet?

I guess the word optional don't exist no more.

It's starting to make siince they sell shit you don't need but want right, I know it's crazy.

Shit that you could live without and beat someone who attempt to abuse it as if they could.

Oh so they aren't bullshitting about not [needing] more than just box price. They got a lot of valid wants in the cash shop but don't have one literal need lmao.

 

 

Defense do win the game just so you know money doesn't buy defense either, Gold doesn't supply does lol.

Aye ever heard of that "It sounds good on paper but looks different once played out."

I pray to God this get's attempted.

Haven't used my block list until this day. Foolishness like this reach an all time high, ha and I'm the one talking, but when you stress common sense so heavily and then someone goes and ignores it, then makes a thread and continues to be misinformed on [purpose], that bites my nerves.

I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.

I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.

P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)

Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.

  Kuppa

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The problem with censorship is ********

3/28/12 5:22:07 PM#40

A simple limit on supply cap or siege weapons "fixes" this incredibly imporant and highly unbalanced issue you guys found.


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