Originally posted by gondor2220

Guys stop being so butt hurt over micro transactions, its this or p2p there is no feasible way of keeping the game alive if they are only making revenue from the actual purchase of the sale whilst keeping it f2p, they are keeping f2p as they want people to transfer easily from gw1, that game had micro-transactions and from what i saw it was just cosmetics.

Above i saw a coment about it maybe taking a week for a hardcore player to get a cape, whilst a softcore player could get it for £5, This is fine in my opinion if its just a cosmetic, from what ive seen they are trying to not make it pay to win, which i trust them not to.

A week of grinding for a cape is a choice of the player and yes i guess it gets rid of the sense of achievement when you see people with the cape who just simply bought it. But you should still feel a personal sense of achievement and not care of how other people acquired it, you would be showing a sense of jealousy and this is why the online community is so harsh towards eachother, its because they see other people more successful then them or with better items/gear then them and automatically lash out on something you feel isn't normal about them.

Overall i believe unless they went p2p (which in the current state of most games is fading away) They will need this microtransaction system to keep the game going, that or you having to pay for each update they release which would otherwise be free.

Then why charge us 60 dollars for the box? other f2p titles seem to make money while not charging for the box. This is what makes it almost offensive. Somehow they've convinced you all that  b2p but really they're selling you a F2P game. It is madness. How do you not get this?

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

"Microtransactions should unite the community"

LOL

Seriously.  That's is just plain, flat out spin-doctoring to cover what is a pretty standard cash shop scheme.

What's the next spin, ANet, "Microtransactions cure cancer and bring world peace"?

GW2 is just like any other F2P game with cash shop, except with a box price for the game.

Go back to your p2p games. Kthxbye.

Lol at all the same Cash Shop Boys spamming.

Get over it guys.

I guess I thought ArenaNet would never stoop to offering xp, faction rep and magic find boosters like most other cash shops do.  I dont have any issues buying extra character slots, costumes or bag storage but offering boosters is just wrong.

Gw2 has a cash shop. DEAL WITH IT! or gtfo ->

Originally posted by Mephster

I guess I thought ArenaNet would never stoop to offering xp, faction rep and magic find boosters like most other cash shops do.  I dont have any issues buying extra character slots, costumes or bag storage but offering boosters is just wrong.

 

I don't agree. I saw that cash shop leak and saw nothing essential that didn't drop/wasn't purchaseable in game as well (boosters and keys are gotten in-game, character slots/costumes/ress stones not at all essential). I'm glad the boosters are there, it's something the average player would never spend money on because getting exp/karma/items is already ridiculously easy. The only people that will spend that money and thus fund more development are the ones that only play a little here and there between work and family, and want to keep up with their friends. Once again, not necessary thanks to scaling up/down, but still people will buy those scrolls.

If anything, I'm more concerned that the cash shop isn't going to make Anet enough money once people realize how irrelevant everything in there is.

Originally posted by Ekiim

Man poor people like to whine a lot. Get a friggin job and get off the welfare, geesh.

 

many people against the cash shop would prefer a monthly sub.  truth is, a cash shop is a way to make MORE money than a monthly sub, while allowing many more people to play the game.  They know eventually most people who play long enough will spend money.

The thing that's most upsetting to me is how anet said they wouldn't have to do this, that box price was all they needed.  I was skeptical and was shouted down by fanboys.  Now that this happens, I complain and I'm still shouted down by fanboys.  Just can't win.

Originally posted by adam_nox

Originally posted by Ekiim

Man poor people like to whine a lot. Get a friggin job and get off the welfare, geesh.

 

many people against the cash shop would prefer a monthly sub.  truth is, a cash shop is a way to make MORE money than a monthly sub, while allowing many more people to play the game.  They know eventually most people who play long enough will spend money.

 

The thing that's most upsetting to me is how anet said they wouldn't have to do this, that box price was all they needed.  I was skeptical and was shouted down by fanboys.  Now that this happens, I complain and I'm still shouted down by fanboys.  Just can't win.

Point out just one thing in that item mall that you "have" to buy in order to play at the same level as everyone else. Just one.

Originally posted by gaeanprayer

Originally posted by adam_nox

Originally posted by Ekiim

Man poor people like to whine a lot. Get a friggin job and get off the welfare, geesh.

 

many people against the cash shop would prefer a monthly sub.  truth is, a cash shop is a way to make MORE money than a monthly sub, while allowing many more people to play the game.  They know eventually most people who play long enough will spend money.

 

The thing that's most upsetting to me is how anet said they wouldn't have to do this, that box price was all they needed.  I was skeptical and was shouted down by fanboys.  Now that this happens, I complain and I'm still shouted down by fanboys.  Just can't win.

Point out just one thing in that item mall that you "have" to buy in order to play at the same level as everyone else. Just one.

Better do your research.  RvRvR advantages can be increased by $$$ spent.  But the pay2win aspects aren't necessarily the worst part.  I think the "mystic key" is the most crass thing in my opinion.

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Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Better do your research.  RvRvR advantages can be increased by $$$ spent.  But the pay2win aspects aren't necessarily the worst part.  I think the "mystic key" is the most crass thing in my opinion.

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Hmmm, if that's the case. Maybe I WILL make this game P2P.
heheh.
Many people don't understand...In many games, the power to be had is in fact NOT in the cash shop.
It's in the game. Everyone has access to the same stuff.

But it's in the "Items of convenience" that help Cash Shop players use the items of power more conveniently.

Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Originally posted by gaeanprayer

Originally posted by adam_nox

Originally posted by Ekiim

Man poor people like to whine a lot. Get a friggin job and get off the welfare, geesh.

 

many people against the cash shop would prefer a monthly sub.  truth is, a cash shop is a way to make MORE money than a monthly sub, while allowing many more people to play the game.  They know eventually most people who play long enough will spend money.

 

The thing that's most upsetting to me is how anet said they wouldn't have to do this, that box price was all they needed.  I was skeptical and was shouted down by fanboys.  Now that this happens, I complain and I'm still shouted down by fanboys.  Just can't win.

Point out just one thing in that item mall that you "have" to buy in order to play at the same level as everyone else. Just one.

Better do your research.  RvRvR advantages can be increased by $$$ spent.  But the pay2win aspects aren't necessarily the worst part.  I think the "mystic key" is the most crass thing in my opinion.

You should do your research, there's nothing in that item mall that gives you an advantage in WvWvW. Stop avoiding the questions, if you have an issue with something point out the specific thing. All the people whining keep throwing out vague, general notions as a catch-all net but never have anything specific to point out. I've actually seen the leak, have you? Not a single thing there is specific to PvP and nothing gives you an advantage in The Mists. The only thing you could possibly be referring to is exp scrolls you help you level faster, than give you a boost to exp for 1 hour, woiuld be phenomenally expensive to use all the way to level cap, AND I could give you a video of someone who doesn't even have all his skill slots open completely dominating others in WvWvW, cementing the idea this is all based on skill.

Not only are you calling it "RvRvR" but you're evidently unaware those mystic keys are dropped/purchasable ingame as well. I doubt I'm the one that needs to do more reading.

It's funny that people in p2p or f2p games expect that just playing the game hours on end support the games ongoing development. You want to play you pay somehow some way content does not grow on trees and people do not work for free. If you don't have the funds or refuse to purchase items fine just don't bitch about it just be thankful someone doing it. Personally I like options and microtransactions gives you that.

Thank for the Article, it surelly quells some of the controversy going on about Microtransactions in GW2 :)

As long as they stick to these principles we are fine, and many players will be having fun in GW2.

The main concern here is Power selling of course in PvP, leveling Speed Enhancements or even Stat Buffs for PVE etc...are not an issue.

Just please Leave PvP alone so it is seen as Fair to all and thus Fun to all.

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Originally posted by KingGator
 
Somehow they've convinced you all that  b2p but really they're selling you a F2P game. It is madness. How do you not get this?

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Quality is the word that answers that one, go look at any free title and see the roadblocks deliberately placed to make you use the shop, enjoy the mechanics that only work effectively when you've paid, enjoy the runs to the dungeons that are severely limited either by access or power to play items, enjoy the generally poor graphics in a world that hardly ever makes any sense and enjoy the limited (and often gender locked) character creation, that is f2p my friend, there's enough of them out there, go take a look.

The quality of Gw2 pits it way above any title built as F2P that I can think of and plants it firmly in the realms of sub based triple A titles except it has no sub.

Originally posted by mmoDAD

It all depends on the balance. If it takes Hardcore Player A an entire week of mob killing to earn a certain cape OR Softcore Player B $5.00 via Paypal, then the balance is bs.

MicroTransactions is the worst thing that has ever happened to gaming. However, I can eat here simple because there is no monthly fee.

 

Totally disagree that it's BS in this instance.

You want that special magic sword? Two choices.

Play for a week to get it 

OR Pay 5US.

Two choices. You choose. Those that enjoy grinding for items can continue to do so, and those that do not can pay.

The only way that your position makes any sense, is if you consider the "Hardcore" player to be doing an action that is not enjoyable, difficult, and not fun. 

A lot of complaining about people that believe everyone shoudl suffer as they have suffered, and who actually equate whatever they have been doing in their "games" with work and suffering...equating it with difficulty.  If that's what it is, why are you even playing?

How can two paths to the same destination be problematic? I think it awesome that there are those who will stand beside me decked out and able to fight at peak ability, regardless of how they got their items. 

And I WOULD buy XP boosts etc. when leveling an Alt or more than one Alt to have different choices at the end -game content. 

i guess this is the first time you all are finding out that GW2 was going to have microtransactions? must be with all the crying on this forum.

what did you think they were going to sell? stuff that no one wants? this game isn't about stats or "uber l33t gear" its going to help but your skill will be the determining factor on whether you win or lose a fight.

want your "epic purplez" go play WoW or any other MMO that has been released in the last 3 years.

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by gondor2220

Guys stop being so butt hurt over micro transactions, its this or p2p there is no feasible way of keeping the game alive if they are only making revenue from the actual purchase of the sale whilst keeping it f2p, they are keeping f2p as they want people to transfer easily from gw1, that game had micro-transactions and from what i saw it was just cosmetics.

Above i saw a coment about it maybe taking a week for a hardcore player to get a cape, whilst a softcore player could get it for £5, This is fine in my opinion if its just a cosmetic, from what ive seen they are trying to not make it pay to win, which i trust them not to.

A week of grinding for a cape is a choice of the player and yes i guess it gets rid of the sense of achievement when you see people with the cape who just simply bought it. But you should still feel a personal sense of achievement and not care of how other people acquired it, you would be showing a sense of jealousy and this is why the online community is so harsh towards eachother, its because they see other people more successful then them or with better items/gear then them and automatically lash out on something you feel isn't normal about them.

Overall i believe unless they went p2p (which in the current state of most games is fading away) They will need this microtransaction system to keep the game going, that or you having to pay for each update they release which would otherwise be free.

 

 

Then why charge us 60 dollars for the box? other f2p titles seem to make money while not charging for the box. This is what makes it almost offensive. Somehow they've convinced you all that  b2p but really they're selling you a F2P game. It is madness. How do you not get this?

 Other F2P titles are complete shit.

I have  yet to see a game of this quality be F2P.

Haters and fanboi's aside, NO ONE KNOWS what will REALLY be in the cash shop when it launches, saying "we are in for a special treat" is a line of crap, are you part of the CS dev team? no you are not, and neither am i, maybee it is a P2W game, honestly i don't care, i do know one thing, what ever is in the CS i will buy to support ANet, ONLY if the game is good, cause if it IS good, then they deserve a payday beyond box sales, other than that all these forums after forums after forums are SPECULATIONS from BOTH sides of the fence. Give me a picture of the CS that ANet said, "Yes, THIS is what will be in our CS", then i will believe what ever case it is. Only reason i doubt it is P2W is ANet keeps saying over and over what their "goal" is for the CS. but it seems only pro-GW2 people can actually find those sentences, yes i'm excited for GW2, no i'm not pro cash shop, im a little worried, BUT it's not like it's EA we are talking about, so i can give ANet a little bit of credibility.

Originally posted by Gel214th

Originally posted by mmoDAD

It all depends on the balance. If it takes Hardcore Player A an entire week of mob killing to earn a certain cape OR Softcore Player B $5.00 via Paypal, then the balance is bs.

MicroTransactions is the worst thing that has ever happened to gaming. However, I can eat here simple because there is no monthly fee.

 

Totally disagree that it's BS in this instance.

You want that special magic sword? Two choices.

Play for a week to get it 

OR Pay 5US.

Two choices. You choose. Those that enjoy grinding for items can continue to do so, and those that do not can pay.

The only way that your position makes any sense, is if you consider the "Hardcore" player to be doing an action that is not enjoyable, difficult, and not fun. 

A lot of complaining about people that believe everyone shoudl suffer as they have suffered, and who actually equate whatever they have been doing in their "games" with work and suffering...equating it with difficulty.  If that's what it is, why are you even playing?

How can two paths to the same destination be problematic? I think it awesome that there are those who will stand beside me decked out and able to fight at peak ability, regardless of how they got their items. 

And I WOULD buy XP boosts etc. when leveling an Alt or more than one Alt to have different choices at the end -game content. 

Your argument is flawed from the beginning. Cosmetic Gear does not influence stats.