Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by RefMinor
Man, he used an official CCP platform to call for the in game harassment of someone with mental health issues with the express purpose of driving him to commit suicide, this was publically broadcast as part of the CCP coverage of their official event. I am not really sure how it can A. Be justifiable. B. not be against their catch all ToS or C. In CCP's interests (especially with their new partners such as Sony's publicly stated policies on cyber bullying) to keep this clusterfuck rolling down the hill gaining bad publicity.

 

Alex Gianturco, the Mittani, needs to step up and step down fast.

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I take it you've never visited the Something Awful.com forums to gain an understanding that he'll be considered a hero to the Goons, not a villian.

And as far as EVE goes, likely he controls the real life  cash assets of the Goonswarm (which are very considerable), so will be hard to depose him.  

 

See, since I'm kinda a prick, I'd ban his account and any account that had ever logged in from the same IP as his known accounts. If nothing else, just to watch the financial (in game) chaos and hope for delicious cries of nerdrage.

Harsh...of course this is why people have passion about EvE...

True justice from CCP would be permanently ban this guy from the game.

Sieze all assests associated with GS.

Disband the corp.

Interestingly enough, I could see the power struggle that ensued after that  to fill that vacuum as good for the game.

Well I agree if there are signs of GS abusing people in Real Life such as more than one of its members with all that happend then they shoudl ban, or suspend everyones account from Goon Squad unti investigation of all EveMail/Logs are done, and if harassment is found other than in game things such as Player Killing Ban those accounts.

The same type of harassment has been going on in Gamers First sandbox MMORPG called Fallen Earth by Exile (A tech clan) which is similar clan just like Goon Swarm, and I have documented evidence of harassment on myself with hundreds of snapshots, I have mailed it to G1, and yet another person is being stalked even after I changed my faction in game because they think that this person is me, and are witch hunting, and causing so much drama, even effecting others who have mental health issues as well with their harassment.

So really I do hope that CCP deals with the people involved in Goon Swarm, because online bullying in SandBox titles is getting worse, and I really do hope lawyers of this guy wins where he has mental issues or was just pretending to because it shows what online gamers are willing to do to others outside of a game.

If you want to get revenge in a game such as Player Killing, it is fine, but to do constant harassment in a MMO title to the point where a player can no longer enjoy the game and take the stalking outside the service there should be serious concequences for it. Also the fact that he was drunk and doesnt remember what he said I laugh because it smells like a troll, and even if he was drunk out of his mind then he must have wanted some kind of revenge on the person.

Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh

True justice from CCP would be permanently ban this guy from the game.

Sieze all assests associated with GS.

Disband the corp.

Interestingly enough, I could see the power struggle that ensued after that  to fill that vacuum as good for the game.

Good for the game in what sense? Losing thousands of subs?

Originally posted by niceguy3978

Question, is being criminal worse than being a vegetarian?

Yep, but if they are fish/egg vegitarians it only makes them sub-human.

Originally posted by Kuro1n

Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh

True justice from CCP would be permanently ban this guy from the game.

Sieze all assests associated with GS.

Disband the corp.

Interestingly enough, I could see the power struggle that ensued after that  to fill that vacuum as good for the game.

Good for the game in what sense? Losing thousands of subs?

Ohhh, you are right!!!!!!!

Sorry.

I retract my statement

[Mod Edit]

Has everyone watched what was said in context and in it's entirety. Was it funny, probably not all that, but I didn't find it all that offensive either and I really didn't get the impression he was bullying the guy. The feeling I did get was a bunch of pretty sad people getting drunk, perhaps to forget something (I'll stop there avoiding another warning/ban).

It was a mistake to give out the guys char name but if you watch you can see this was a stupid mistake done after his presentation. So while many think there are good reasons the goons should have various nasty think happen to them, my real impression was that this guy probably should learn how to handle his drink. It would be pretty difficult to take anything this guy said seriously, he's a geek posterboy, quite embarassing in all. tbh the whole panel and watching the vid is cringe worthy, maybe it's just me, you ever get the feeling you stepped into the wrong room..?

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by RefMinor
Man, he used an official CCP platform to call for the in game harassment of someone with mental health issues with the express purpose of driving him to commit suicide, this was publically broadcast as part of the CCP coverage of their official event. I am not really sure how it can A. Be justifiable. B. not be against their catch all ToS or C. In CCP's interests (especially with their new partners such as Sony's publicly stated policies on cyber bullying) to keep this clusterfuck rolling down the hill gaining bad publicity.

 

Alex Gianturco, the Mittani, needs to step up and step down fast.

Agreed. There has to be consequences for this kind of behaviour as it is far beyond hardcore PvP behaviour. Cyber bullying is something real, one that has shown to lead to suicide in some cases. And knowingly doing it against someone who is allegedly suicidal already?

There is no excuse really... at the very least the Goons, or whatever these idiots are called, need to stay away from this guy.

I take it you've never visited the Something Awful.com forums to gain an understanding that he'll be considered a hero to the Goons, not a villian.

And as far as EVE goes, likely he controls the real life  cash assets of the Goonswarm (which are very considerable), so will be hard to depose him.  

 

Don't see how any of that is relevant. He did that was simply put wrong, un-ethical and against the TOS. For this there should be consequences, period. Question is if CCP has the balls to do something, seeing as this guy seems to be a prominent figure. I am guessing not.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by RefMinor
Man, he used an official CCP platform to call for the in game harassment of someone with mental health issues with the express purpose of driving him to commit suicide, this was publically broadcast as part of the CCP coverage of their official event. I am not really sure how it can A. Be justifiable. B. not be against their catch all ToS or C. In CCP's interests (especially with their new partners such as Sony's publicly stated policies on cyber bullying) to keep this clusterfuck rolling down the hill gaining bad publicity.

 

Alex Gianturco, the Mittani, needs to step up and step down fast.

Agreed. There has to be consequences for this kind of behaviour as it is far beyond hardcore PvP behaviour. Cyber bullying is something real, one that has shown to lead to suicide in some cases. And knowingly doing it against someone who is allegedly suicidal already?

There is no excuse really... at the very least the Goons, or whatever these idiots are called, need to stay away from this guy.

I take it you've never visited the Something Awful.com forums to gain an understanding that he'll be considered a hero to the Goons, not a villian.

And as far as EVE goes, likely he controls the real life  cash assets of the Goonswarm (which are very considerable), so will be hard to depose him.  

 

Don't see how any of that is relevant. He did that was simply put wrong, un-ethical and against the TOS. For this there should be consequences, period. Question is if CCP has the balls to do something, seeing as this guy seems to be a prominent figure. I am guessing not.

What ToS? The ToS is only there ingame not in real life.

Originally posted by kcannon

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by RefMinor
Man, he used an official CCP platform to call for the in game harassment of someone with mental health issues with the express purpose of driving him to commit suicide, this was publically broadcast as part of the CCP coverage of their official event. I am not really sure how it can A. Be justifiable. B. not be against their catch all ToS or C. In CCP's interests (especially with their new partners such as Sony's publicly stated policies on cyber bullying) to keep this clusterfuck rolling down the hill gaining bad publicity.

 

Alex Gianturco, the Mittani, needs to step up and step down fast.

Agreed. There has to be consequences for this kind of behaviour as it is far beyond hardcore PvP behaviour. Cyber bullying is something real, one that has shown to lead to suicide in some cases. And knowingly doing it against someone who is allegedly suicidal already?

There is no excuse really... at the very least the Goons, or whatever these idiots are called, need to stay away from this guy.

I take it you've never visited the Something Awful.com forums to gain an understanding that he'll be considered a hero to the Goons, not a villian.

And as far as EVE goes, likely he controls the real life  cash assets of the Goonswarm (which are very considerable), so will be hard to depose him.  

 

Don't see how any of that is relevant. He did that was simply put wrong, un-ethical and against the TOS. For this there should be consequences, period. Question is if CCP has the balls to do something, seeing as this guy seems to be a prominent figure. I am guessing not.

What ToS? The ToS is only there ingame not in real life.

Well refminer I have replied to you in the other thread so as not to clutter up this shit thread with off topic chat.

Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh

True justice from CCP would be permanently ban this guy from the game.

Sieze all assests associated with GS.

Disband the corp.

Interestingly enough, I could see the power struggle that ensued after that  to fill that vacuum as good for the game.

 

Why would you disband an 8000 man alliance because the CEO said something stupid while drunk? Would you disband the United States if Obama made fun of autistic kids? (The sovereignty mechanics make GS essentially a nation because it holds territory in the persistent game world).

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by kcannon

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by RefMinor
Man, he used an official CCP platform to call for the in game harassment of someone with mental health issues with the express purpose of driving him to commit suicide, this was publically broadcast as part of the CCP coverage of their official event. I am not really sure how it can A. Be justifiable. B. not be against their catch all ToS or C. In CCP's interests (especially with their new partners such as Sony's publicly stated policies on cyber bullying) to keep this clusterfuck rolling down the hill gaining bad publicity.

 

Alex Gianturco, the Mittani, needs to step up and step down fast.

Agreed. There has to be consequences for this kind of behaviour as it is far beyond hardcore PvP behaviour. Cyber bullying is something real, one that has shown to lead to suicide in some cases. And knowingly doing it against someone who is allegedly suicidal already?

There is no excuse really... at the very least the Goons, or whatever these idiots are called, need to stay away from this guy.

I take it you've never visited the Something Awful.com forums to gain an understanding that he'll be considered a hero to the Goons, not a villian.

And as far as EVE goes, likely he controls the real life  cash assets of the Goonswarm (which are very considerable), so will be hard to depose him.  

 

Don't see how any of that is relevant. He did that was simply put wrong, un-ethical and against the TOS. For this there should be consequences, period. Question is if CCP has the balls to do something, seeing as this guy seems to be a prominent figure. I am guessing not.

What ToS? The ToS is only there ingame not in real life.

 

  1. You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.  

 

2. You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)  

 

3. You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies  

 

4. You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.  

 

5. You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site.  

 

  Well Rules 1 to 5 right at the top of the ToS would appear to cover most of the bases. As I replied to you in the other thread yesterday, why don't you tell us how these don't cover his actions

Did he personally take any action while logged into the game itself that violated the above.  I don't think game TOS's cover actions that occur outside in real life.

Yes, I know he called for action against this player by others, but again, while perhaps a matter for the courts to one day decide, I don't see where CCP has much of a leg to stand on.

Time to revise the TOS I suppose. (someone let the folks over at Mortal Online know)

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by kcannon

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by RefMinor
Man, he used an official CCP platform to call for the in game harassment of someone with mental health issues with the express purpose of driving him to commit suicide, this was publically broadcast as part of the CCP coverage of their official event. I am not really sure how it can A. Be justifiable. B. not be against their catch all ToS or C. In CCP's interests (especially with their new partners such as Sony's publicly stated policies on cyber bullying) to keep this clusterfuck rolling down the hill gaining bad publicity.

 

Alex Gianturco, the Mittani, needs to step up and step down fast.

Agreed. There has to be consequences for this kind of behaviour as it is far beyond hardcore PvP behaviour. Cyber bullying is something real, one that has shown to lead to suicide in some cases. And knowingly doing it against someone who is allegedly suicidal already?

There is no excuse really... at the very least the Goons, or whatever these idiots are called, need to stay away from this guy.

I take it you've never visited the Something Awful.com forums to gain an understanding that he'll be considered a hero to the Goons, not a villian.

And as far as EVE goes, likely he controls the real life  cash assets of the Goonswarm (which are very considerable), so will be hard to depose him.  

 

Don't see how any of that is relevant. He did that was simply put wrong, un-ethical and against the TOS. For this there should be consequences, period. Question is if CCP has the balls to do something, seeing as this guy seems to be a prominent figure. I am guessing not.

What ToS? The ToS is only there ingame not in real life.

 

  1. You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.  

 

2. You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)  

 

3. You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies  

 

4. You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.  

 

5. You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site.  

 

  Well Rules 1 to 5 right at the top of the ToS would appear to cover most of the bases. As I replied to you in the other thread yesterday, why don't you tell us how these don't cover his actions

Did he personally take any action while logged into the game itself that violated the above.  I don't think game TOS's cover actions that occur outside in real life.

Yes, I know he called for action against this player by others, but again, while perhaps a matter for the courts to one day decide, I don't see where CCP has much of a leg to stand on.

Time to revise the TOS I suppose. (someone let the folks over at Mortal Online know)

The poll itself isn't correct as the guy didn't kill himself.

I also don't think that "justice" is everyone jumping on the aggressor and making them a victim.

Originally posted by Laughing-man

The poll itself isn't correct as the guy didn't kill himself.

I also don't think that "justice" is everyone jumping on the aggressor and making them a victim.

We are in the age of the internet lynch mob.

Originally posted by mrw0lf

Has everyone watched what was said in context and in it's entirety. Was it funny, probably not all that, but I didn't find it all that offensive either and I really didn't get the impression he was bullying the guy. The feeling I did get was a bunch of pretty sad people getting drunk, perhaps to forget something (I'll stop there avoiding another warning/ban).

It was a mistake to give out the guys char name but if you watch you can see this was a stupid mistake done after his presentation. So while many think there are good reasons the goons should have various nasty think happen to them, my real impression was that this guy probably should learn how to handle his drink. It would be pretty difficult to take anything this guy said seriously, he's a geek posterboy, quite embarassing in all. tbh the whole panel and watching the vid is cringe worthy, maybe it's just me, you ever get the feeling you stepped into the wrong room..?

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/

As part of the talk, Alex aired a private correspondence in which a victim revealed that he'd been severely depressed following a divorce and expressed suicidal thoughts. "We're sure that he's not dead," Alex flippantly remarked during the talk before adding that "he might have committed suicide.

later in the talk Alex actually gave the name of the pilot and encouraged players to harass him in order to make him commit suicide. "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [redacted]," Alex said, adding that "he has his own corp. Find him."

Just wondering what planet you're from, I guess for you to think giving out contact information, a PM in which someone admits they are suicidally depressed after a recent divorce and encouraging the player base to heckle the guy into killing himself isn't offensive. You do understand that this is criminal in many countries, right?

Originally posted by Uronksur

Originally posted by mrw0lf

Has everyone watched what was said in context and in it's entirety. Was it funny, probably not all that, but I didn't find it all that offensive either and I really didn't get the impression he was bullying the guy. The feeling I did get was a bunch of pretty sad people getting drunk, perhaps to forget something (I'll stop there avoiding another warning/ban).

It was a mistake to give out the guys char name but if you watch you can see this was a stupid mistake done after his presentation. So while many think there are good reasons the goons should have various nasty think happen to them, my real impression was that this guy probably should learn how to handle his drink. It would be pretty difficult to take anything this guy said seriously, he's a geek posterboy, quite embarassing in all. tbh the whole panel and watching the vid is cringe worthy, maybe it's just me, you ever get the feeling you stepped into the wrong room..?

 

 

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/

As part of the talk, Alex aired a private correspondence in which a victim revealed that he'd been severely depressed following a divorce and expressed suicidal thoughts. "We're sure that he's not dead," Alex flippantly remarked during the talk before adding that "he might have committed suicide.

 

later in the talk Alex actually gave the name of the pilot and encouraged players to harass him in order to make him commit suicide. "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [redacted]," Alex said, adding that "he has his own corp. Find him."

 

Just wondering what planet you're from, I guess for you to think giving out contact information, a PM in which someone admits they are suicidally depressed after a recent divorce and encouraging the player base to heckle the guy into killing himself isn't offensive. You do understand that this is criminal in many countries, right?

 

If he wanted to avoid harassment he can easily sell an in game character for in game money and play one of the other many characters I am sure he has, EVE allows you to go after other players with a sort of e-vendetta. You say something wrong to the wrong person you might find a fleet at your doorstep the next day, its just part of the game. For sure individual players are targeted for various reasons every day. Also if you look at this person's profile he is taking this with a cooler head than many of you guys. EVE players are pretty tough I don't think you can easily bully them like you do kids in other MMOs, often they write -fake- sob stories to get someone off their back, not saying this is what this player did here with Mittani but its probably one of the things that went thru Mittani's head while he was being a very mean mean person.