Originally posted by lethys

 The only people in his defense are peopel who are in his corp, whcih is obviously going to be what happens because those are his friends who then claim they "know" him. 

No not the only people in his corp are defending him, I personally have never been in a goon corp /alliance and never even been blue to them ingame, however many people can see the good which has come from him being chairman of CSM last year and do not wish the drunken remarks to destroy the momentum that he has brought into the CSM.

And for those saying there was prior malice, there was none. Yes the mail was posted but no name was added into the presentation. These mails are posted to multiple places daily

Originally posted by lethys

I read what the guy said as well as the thread with his apology, and honestly I think that he should resign.  The only people in his defense are peopel who are in his corp, whcih is obviously going to be what happens because those are his friends who then claim they "know" him.  This guy went over the line because it's a video game formal event.  I'm heavily in favor of free speech but there's a time not to do this kind of thing.

 

And the first amendment bars speech that endagers lives in a direct fashion.  What would happen if the kid really did kill himself afterwards?  He should step down, he's an obnoxious baby and has zero sense of responsibility.  His apology is so easily faked.  Sincerity is very easily faked by those who can manipulate in the first place and apologies are worthless in most cases.  There's one good thing to do, which is at the very least to resign from whatever position he's in and at the most suffer a ban of a week or two.

 

And no, it's not a big deal  that he gave the kid some in-game money.

I agree.

Freedom of speech?

To keep that, we must be responsible with it. If as a society we continuously abuse it, we will lose it.

And what's more, Freedom of speech does not mean you have freedom from consequences. But I guess that is really tied in with being responsible,

As far as In game money.....HA! He'll be lucky if he doesn't end up having to give him some out of game money.

Originally posted by kcannon

Originally posted by lethys

 The only people in his defense are peopel who are in his corp, whcih is obviously going to be what happens because those are his friends who then claim they "know" him. 

No not the only people in his corp are defending him, I personally have never been in a goon corp /alliance and never even been blue to them ingame, however many people can see the good which has come from him being chairman of CSM last year and do not wish the drunken remarks to destroy the momentum that he has brought into the CSM.

 

And for those saying there was prior malice, there was none. Yes the mail was posted but no name was added into the presentation. These mails are posted to multiple places daily

Originally posted by kcannon

No I can not possibly understand the grief people could possibly go through, I have only ever known one person who commited suicide and I only knew him when I was young and at the time did not fully take it in. I do still think of this person however I had no real bond with him.

 

This I will leave here. It is not a troll post of any sort

Yes?

Originally posted by kcannon

Originally posted by lethys

 The only people in his defense are peopel who are in his corp, whcih is obviously going to be what happens because those are his friends who then claim they "know" him. 

No not the only people in his corp are defending him, I personally have never been in a goon corp /alliance and never even been blue to them ingame, however many people can see the good which has come from him being chairman of CSM last year and do not wish the drunken remarks to destroy the momentum that he has brought into the CSM.

 

And for those saying there was prior malice, there was none. Yes the mail was posted but no name was added into the presentation. These mails are posted to multiple places daily

Regardless of how any of us feels,

This man's irresponsibility has kicked up a PR sh!7 storm both personally and for CCP.

It can't go unaddressed and a semi-public apology may not be enough.

If all he ends up needing to do is to resign from EVE permanently. He's still going to be one lucky SOB.

I wouldn't be surprised if at this moment, he's transferring large amounts of in game wealth to his trusted friends in game.

So when he comes back as an annonymous "noob" he'll be an EVE success story........... again.

Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh

I wouldn't be surprised if at this moment, he's transferring large amounts of in game wealth to his trusted friends in game.

So when he comes back as an annonymous "noob" he'll be an EVE success story........... again.

Oh yes, he most certainly is, even if he doesn't resign, he will be harrassed ingame so he will give his account up.

Originally posted by AdamTM

Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh

I wouldn't be surprised if at this moment, he's transferring large amounts of in game wealth to his trusted friends in game.

So when he comes back as an annonymous "noob" he'll be an EVE success story........... again.

Oh yes, he most certainly is, even if he doesn't resign, he will be harrassed ingame so he will give his account up.

Could not see this happening over this, Go back and read the history of The Mitanni enough people have tried before and I cant see him ever being Harrassed out of game

Originally posted by Puremallace

I guess you can file this article under the wtf column

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/

 

EVE Online's annual Fanfest is an opportunity for players from across the world to share stories of the year's big events, political actions, and epic battles won and lost. Each year, player speakers from the game's biggest and most influential alliances are invited to take part in the Alliance Panel at Fanfest, where they can talk about their organisation and what it's done over the preceding year. Massively got a hold of a copy of this year's Alliance Panel, and unfortunately it was marked by something more distressing than the usual political ego-buffing and mass consumption of alcohol.

GoonSwarm alliance speaker and second-time CSM chairman Alexander 'The Mittani' Gianturco gave a talk on some of the year's most memorable alliance activities, from shutting down Ice Mining operations across several regions to scamming people with fake supercapital ship trades. As part of the talk, Alex aired a private correspondence in which a victim revealed that he'd been severely depressed following a divorce and expressed suicidal thoughts. "We're sure that he's not dead," Alex flippantly remarked during the talk, before adding that "he might have committed suicide."

Read on for the full details of what Alex said to encourage the event's thousands of viewers to engage in cyber-bullying, as well as the response from CCP.

While a flippant remark that the victim may have killed himself could possibly be seen as drunken banter intended to embellish the impact of the story, later in the talk Alex actually gave the name of the pilot and encouraged players to harass him in order to make him commit suicide. "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [REMOVED]," Alex said, adding that "he has his own corp. Find him." The entire talk was watched by a packed room of Fanfest attendees and streamed live to thousands of players at home. Alex told players to "deal with it" when complaints surfaced on the EVE forum.

With people still heading home from Fanfest, CCP responded to tell us they are investigating the issue and will get back to us with the results as soon as they can. Public Relations specialist Ned Coker told Eurogamer that CCP is "undertaking a full internal review of this panel as well as the process used for vetting the panel's materials," adding that "Even though this panel was billed as unfiltered by CCP, we expect public presentations to be courteous and professional towards others." Ned also confirmed that "CCP will be very vigilant in monitoring any behaviour directed towards the individual named in the presentation."

I don't get the point of fanfest anyways. A bunch of guys spend large amounts of money to fly across the planets and drink and party with other guys. 

Originally posted by kcannon

Originally posted by AdamTM

Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh

I wouldn't be surprised if at this moment, he's transferring large amounts of in game wealth to his trusted friends in game.

So when he comes back as an annonymous "noob" he'll be an EVE success story........... again.

Oh yes, he most certainly is, even if he doesn't resign, he will be harrassed ingame so he will give his account up.

Could not see this happening over this, Go back and read the history of The Mitanni enough people have tried before and I cant see him ever being Harrassed out of game

Originally posted by AdamTM

Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh

I wouldn't be surprised if at this moment, he's transferring large amounts of in game wealth to his trusted friends in game.

So when he comes back as an annonymous "noob" he'll be an EVE success story........... again.

Oh yes, he most certainly is, even if he doesn't resign, he will be harrassed ingame so he will give his account up.

Harassed how? This dude literally stomps his feet -in game- and 1000 goons in disposable battleships come over the horizon. My alliance roamed in goon controlled space frequently the past few weeks and they form up defense fleets within 30 minutes that actually zerg the shit out of you until you have no ships left. Your best bet at that point is to beat whatever they have on the field and break out before more show up.

They are pretty big ass hats but despite public perceptions they are pretty damn well organized and Mr Cyberbully is the one that honed them into a fine tuned war machine. (in game)

Originally posted by Uronksur

I don't get the point of fanfest anyways. A bunch of guys spend large amounts of money to fly across the planets and drink and party with other guys. 

Well for one its not just guys theres plenty of females there, also this is the one time of year that players can talk face to face with the devs of the game that they love. This is also when CCP show off all the new stuff they want to put in their games. Its just the same as Blizzcon

Its a Goon Thing.

So many people support Mittens, even though the guys a proven w*nker.  CCP have to back down on this, they allow the voting of the CSM's, if that fails cause some asshat got drunk, its thier fault.

Personally I'd just destroy Goons holdings, they have already proved what they are.. basically a bunch of cowards hiding behind the internet and a guy who cant control his ego :)

All the scamming and dumb sh*t they pull.. have they ever heard the phrase "Just cause one can do a thing, does not mean one should"

Im not a carebear by any stretch, but damn, these guys need help.

Originally posted by kcannon

Originally posted by Uronksur

I don't get the point of fanfest anyways. A bunch of guys spend large amounts of money to fly across the planets and drink and party with other guys. 

Well for one its not just guys theres plenty of females there, also this is the one time of year that players can talk face to face with the devs of the game that they love. This is also when CCP show off all the new stuff they want to put in their games. Its just the same as Blizzcon

If there are really "plenty" there, they need to stop using only pictures that contain only men with maybe the rare, single elusive female in their Fanfest advertisements. By the way, I'm not counting venue employees.

As for the rest of it, that's fine I guess. I'm just not that rich or wildly into a game that I'm going to spend around a thousand dollars to fly around the world just for that.

Originally posted by WilyWeasel

Personally I'd just destroy Goons holdings, they have already proved what they are.. basically a bunch of cowards hiding behind the internet and a guy who cant control his ego :)

 

All the scamming and dumb sh*t they pull.. have they ever heard the phrase "Just cause one can do a thing, does not mean one should"

 

Im not a carebear by any stretch, but damn, these guys need help.

You can't just destroy an alliance's holdings there will be a power vacuum, accusations of devs playing favorites (whoever benefits from an alliance being banned is the favorite etc). The point of the game is egos and alliance pride, CCP encourages it. Goons are just trying to push the limits of it to stand out among all the other alliances, attention whoring isn't a bannable offense.

Originally posted by Calfis

Originally posted by WilyWeasel

Personally I'd just destroy Goons holdings, they have already proved what they are.. basically a bunch of cowards hiding behind the internet and a guy who cant control his ego :)

 

All the scamming and dumb sh*t they pull.. have they ever heard the phrase "Just cause one can do a thing, does not mean one should"

 

Im not a carebear by any stretch, but damn, these guys need help.

You can't just destroy an alliance's holdings there will be a power vacuum, accusations of devs playing favorites (whoever benefits from an alliance being banned is the favorite etc). The point of the game is egos and alliance pride, CCP encourages it. Goons are just trying to push the limits of it to stand out among all the other alliances, attention whoring isn't a bannable offense.

I agree, there would be a vacuum, but thats what Eve needs right now.  

Besides.. Attention whoring may not be a bannable offence, but inciting people to violate the codes of conduct is.. even though most normal people would frown on verbally assaulting someone with mental health issues.

There has been an outpouring of defence for Mittens stupidity..  Which even he has said was wrong in his apology.. what does that say for Goons members..

If they defend him that blindly they are even stupider than I thought.. I even read some of the posts on the Eve forum saying "Well if he does kill himself its one less ass**** in the world"

I mean.. folks.. thats just wrong.

Originally posted by Morbidquiem

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Yamota

Sickening indeed. One of the main reasons for me not playing this "game" is that it seems less to be a game and more a platform for sociopaths to try and grief, scam and by any means hurt other players. This is not FFA PvP, this is something entirely else. PvP, FFA or not, is still about a game and Eve Online is more a social experiment on how people would behave if there was no laws, moral or otherwise.

 

This is an idiot who needs to be shown that his actions are unacceptable, the game is the game just that a game where the rules or lack of ate clear to anyone joining.

As hard as it will be for CCP to actually do something they probably need to. Letting this just fester on wont be good in the long run. We like the fact that we have such freedom in the game and that it allows us to play as we like. The bad guy or the good guy, but it's NOT cool to bring those things to the outside world and try to exploit them.

I don't know if Mintanni or whatever what's the dude to commit suicide I am not saying that. What is the point is that he's taking an action that is well know to be frowned upon in the online community, EVE is it's own thing but people shouldn't forget that the world opperates on a different set of morales..

No matter how warped those may be also..

He's wrong.. Just wrong

They won't do anything from the looks of it at this point.  CCP is dam quick to drop the banhammer when they are going to drop it.  Had it been the average person, they would of been gone by now.  Goons have been in full force since yesterday spamming the hell out of those threads using every angle that they can think of in an attempt to provide wiggle room for CCP.

Top that off with the fact that Alex could very well call for mass unsub, yeah.  As stated one thing Goons are is well organized and they've pretty much got CCP by the balls.  A monster of their creation, so to speak. I bet the number of unsubs last year, over monovclegate, doesn't even come close to the financial damage that a goon walkout do.  They laid off how many people over that again?

Originally posted by WilyWeasel

Originally posted by Calfis

Originally posted by WilyWeasel

Personally I'd just destroy Goons holdings, they have already proved what they are.. basically a bunch of cowards hiding behind the internet and a guy who cant control his ego :)

 

All the scamming and dumb sh*t they pull.. have they ever heard the phrase "Just cause one can do a thing, does not mean one should"

 

Im not a carebear by any stretch, but damn, these guys need help.

You can't just destroy an alliance's holdings there will be a power vacuum, accusations of devs playing favorites (whoever benefits from an alliance being banned is the favorite etc). The point of the game is egos and alliance pride, CCP encourages it. Goons are just trying to push the limits of it to stand out among all the other alliances, attention whoring isn't a bannable offense.

I agree, there would be a vacuum, but thats what Eve needs right now.  

Besides.. Attention whoring may not be a bannable offence, but inciting people to violate the codes of conduct is.. even though most normal people would frown on verbally assaulting someone with mental health issues.

There has been an outpouring of defence for Mittens stupidity..  Which even he has said was wrong in his apology.. what does that say for Goons members..

If they defend him that blindly they are even stupider than I thought.. I even read some of the posts on the Eve forum saying "Well if he does kill himself its one less ass**** in the world"

I mean.. folks.. thats just wrong.

If CCP was to forcefully close goonswarm then there will be a much larger uproar. CCP pride themselves on not interfering ingame and this will be alot worse for CCP. Goonswarm is being Goonswarm, CCP have no need to close the alliance

Originally posted by WilyWeasel

Originally posted by Calfis

Originally posted by WilyWeasel

Personally I'd just destroy Goons holdings, they have already proved what they are.. basically a bunch of cowards hiding behind the internet and a guy who cant control his ego :)

 

All the scamming and dumb sh*t they pull.. have they ever heard the phrase "Just cause one can do a thing, does not mean one should"

 

Im not a carebear by any stretch, but damn, these guys need help.

You can't just destroy an alliance's holdings there will be a power vacuum, accusations of devs playing favorites (whoever benefits from an alliance being banned is the favorite etc). The point of the game is egos and alliance pride, CCP encourages it. Goons are just trying to push the limits of it to stand out among all the other alliances, attention whoring isn't a bannable offense.

I agree, there would be a vacuum, but thats what Eve needs right now.  

Besides.. Attention whoring may not be a bannable offence, but inciting people to violate the codes of conduct is.. even though most normal people would frown on verbally assaulting someone with mental health issues.

There has been an outpouring of defence for Mittens stupidity..  Which even he has said was wrong in his apology.. what does that say for Goons members..

If they defend him that blindly they are even stupider than I thought.. I even read some of the posts on the Eve forum saying "Well if he does kill himself its one less ass**** in the world"

I mean.. folks.. thats just wrong.

Going beyond wrong, I doubt calling on a crowd to heckle someone into committing suicide is legal.

CCP have interfered in the game so many times in the past.. why not now.

Ok removing Goons would be a stretch, but they allowed BoB so much, now they are going to allow Mittens to get away with this.. there has to be repercusions.

Personally I hope it brings down the CSM system and they take control of thier game again, I think Dust is thier attempt to do that.

Lets just hope they dont screw up World of Darkness by giving in to the players. Otherwise they are gonna allow the seedier side of life, like Mittens and Goons to become the primogen in most cities.

Give an asshole an ego and he's annoying.. give and asshole an ego, anonymity and some followers he's dangerous.