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  Banden

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Joined: 3/16/11
Posts: 85

3/27/12 3:36:48 PM#21
Originally posted by stragen001

Dude, 

He was drunk and rambling. When he recovered from his hangover and got off the plane he read what he actually said and apologised profusely. Also, it was billed as an unregulated unmoderated forum so CCP shouldnt be held responsible.

Moral of the story: Dont do press events when drunk

 

 

 

Also, someone should check on that suicidal dude. 

They allready did, the dude is perfectly fine, he was even joking about it. Seriously, if the dude in question doesnt even care about it, then you people have only your own outrage to hang on to. 

  RefMinor

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Joined: 7/16/11
Posts: 3542

Hipster

3/27/12 3:41:13 PM#22
Man, he used an official CCP platform to call for the in game harassment of someone with mental health issues with the express purpose of driving him to commit suicide, this was publically broadcast as part of the CCP coverage of their official event. I am not really sure how it can A. Be justifiable. B. not be against their catch all ToS or C. In CCP's interests (especially with their new partners such as Sony's publicly stated policies on cyber bullying) to keep this clusterfuck rolling down the hill gaining bad publicity.

Alex Gianturco, the Mittani, needs to step up and step down fast.
  Yamota

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Posts: 6505

"I fight so you don't have to."

3/27/12 3:48:22 PM#23
Originally posted by RefMinor
Man, he used an official CCP platform to call for the in game harassment of someone with mental health issues with the express purpose of driving him to commit suicide, this was publically broadcast as part of the CCP coverage of their official event. I am not really sure how it can A. Be justifiable. B. not be against their catch all ToS or C. In CCP's interests (especially with their new partners such as Sony's publicly stated policies on cyber bullying) to keep this clusterfuck rolling down the hill gaining bad publicity.

 

Alex Gianturco, the Mittani, needs to step up and step down fast.

Agreed. There has to be consequences for this kind of behaviour as it is far beyond hardcore PvP behaviour. Cyber bullying is something real, one that has shown to lead to suicide in some cases. And knowingly doing it against someone who is allegedly suicidal already?

There is no excuse really... at the very least the Goons, or whatever these idiots are called, need to stay away from this guy.

  Kyleran

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Posts: 18935

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3/27/12 3:55:31 PM#24
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by RefMinor
Man, he used an official CCP platform to call for the in game harassment of someone with mental health issues with the express purpose of driving him to commit suicide, this was publically broadcast as part of the CCP coverage of their official event. I am not really sure how it can A. Be justifiable. B. not be against their catch all ToS or C. In CCP's interests (especially with their new partners such as Sony's publicly stated policies on cyber bullying) to keep this clusterfuck rolling down the hill gaining bad publicity.

 

Alex Gianturco, the Mittani, needs to step up and step down fast.

Agreed. There has to be consequences for this kind of behaviour as it is far beyond hardcore PvP behaviour. Cyber bullying is something real, one that has shown to lead to suicide in some cases. And knowingly doing it against someone who is allegedly suicidal already?

There is no excuse really... at the very least the Goons, or whatever these idiots are called, need to stay away from this guy.

I take it you've never visited the Something Awful.com forums to gain an understanding that he'll be considered a hero to the Goons, not a villian.

And as far as EVE goes, likely he controls the real life  cash assets of the Goonswarm (which are very considerable), so will be hard to depose him.  

 

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  Uronksur

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/03/09
Posts: 310

3/27/12 4:06:26 PM#25
Originally posted by Alakor
Originally posted by DarkPony

HELL YEAH! *shakes fist*

Uhm, ... wat?

The Mitani said he was sorry, right?

 

Saying sorry doesnt make up for what he did, he commited a crime.

Strange, I had this bizarre idea that that was for judicial systems to determine, not ranters on internet forums.

  User Deleted
3/27/12 4:12:30 PM#26
Originally posted by Uronksur
Originally posted by Alakor
Originally posted by DarkPony

HELL YEAH! *shakes fist*

Uhm, ... wat?

The Mitani said he was sorry, right?

 

Saying sorry doesnt make up for what he did, he commited a crime.

Strange, I had this bizarre idea that that was for judicial systems to determine, not ranters on internet forums.

OJ Simpson would agree with this statement

  User Deleted
3/27/12 4:19:29 PM#27
Originally posted by Banden
Originally posted by stragen001

Dude, 

He was drunk and rambling. When he recovered from his hangover and got off the plane he read what he actually said and apologised profusely. Also, it was billed as an unregulated unmoderated forum so CCP shouldnt be held responsible.

Moral of the story: Dont do press events when drunk

 

 

 

Also, someone should check on that suicidal dude. 

They allready did, the dude is perfectly fine, he was even joking about it. Seriously, if the dude in question doesnt even care about it, then you people have only your own outrage to hang on to. 

There is a bigger issue...The tollerance of this behavior.

If he gets away with this, then it's the new precedence of an acceptable baseline.

And claiming CCP has immunity can only go so far. This crossed over from inappropriate forum use into something way bigger. and CCP is not immune. Best case, this is a PR nightmare. and the more CCP stands behind this guy, the worse it could be.

I can only imagine what's going to happen if some non gaming public interest group gets wind of this.

Then we are all going to have to deal with this like when WoW was blamed for pedophilia.

  drbaltazar

Apprentice Member

Joined: 3/28/07
Posts: 7939

3/27/12 4:24:19 PM#28

dont know if this was posted but the incident is at 1 hour 3 minute on this video!as you can see drinking before a show like that wasnt the best idear on the planet!one guy had to wisper what to say to the other!ya very very bad lol!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE&feature=player_embeddedi

  Calfis

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/15/11
Posts: 338

3/27/12 4:25:22 PM#29
Originally posted by Alakor
Originally posted by DarkPony

HELL YEAH! *shakes fist*

Uhm, ... wat?

The Mitani said he was sorry, right?

 

Saying sorry doesnt make up for what he did, he commited a crime.

Could you please describe the actual crime that was committed? This was a dumb comment by a douche bag that had too much to drink and couldn't control the first words that pop across his mind. But thats hardly a crime, we've all said stupid things while drunk, the real question here is why CCP let him walk onto a panel drunk.

  Skymourne

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Joined: 6/12/11
Posts: 358

3/27/12 4:25:39 PM#30
Originally posted by Alakor

It is time for us gamers to make a stand ccp is directly collaboratign with a criminal! Its time for us to punish them.

 

Criminal Mittani behaviour: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=86554&find=unread

lol crominal

  Uronksur

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/03/09
Posts: 310

3/27/12 4:32:36 PM#31
Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh
Originally posted by Uronksur
Originally posted by Alakor
Originally posted by DarkPony

HELL YEAH! *shakes fist*

Uhm, ... wat?

The Mitani said he was sorry, right?

 

Saying sorry doesnt make up for what he did, he commited a crime.

Strange, I had this bizarre idea that that was for judicial systems to determine, not ranters on internet forums.

OJ Simpson would agree with this statement

Yes, OJ Simpson, like most people, probably is pleased that whether or not someone is guilty of breaking the law is determined ultimately by a jury of your peers, and not the internet mob.

  drbaltazar

Apprentice Member

Joined: 3/28/07
Posts: 7939

3/27/12 4:33:11 PM#32
Originally posted by Calfis
Originally posted by Alakor
Originally posted by DarkPony

HELL YEAH! *shakes fist*

Uhm, ... wat?

The Mitani said he was sorry, right?

 

Saying sorry doesnt make up for what he did, he commited a crime.

Could you please describe the actual crime that was committed? This was a dumb comment by a douche bag that had too much to drink and couldn't control the first words that pop across his mind. But thats hardly a crime, we've all said stupid things while drunk, the real question here is why CCP let him walk onto a panel drunk.

 

 

it is sad!

  Uronksur

Apprentice Member

Joined: 8/03/09
Posts: 310

3/27/12 4:36:32 PM#33
Originally posted by drbaltazar
Originally posted by Calfis
Originally posted by Alakor
Originally posted by DarkPony

HELL YEAH! *shakes fist*

Uhm, ... wat?

The Mitani said he was sorry, right?

 

Saying sorry doesnt make up for what he did, he commited a crime.

Could you please describe the actual crime that was committed? This was a dumb comment by a douche bag that had too much to drink and couldn't control the first words that pop across his mind. But thats hardly a crime, we've all said stupid things while drunk, the real question here is why CCP let him walk onto a panel drunk.

why?if you listen after  1 hour 3 minute time mark,you ll see him take a drink!right after he say :this is how CCP IGNORE !they let him walk there cause they ignore us!and get drunk!we dont say it !ccp rep themself do it all and one of them say it loud and clear !cant be more obvious!

You do understand that being drunk and drinking alcohol isn't illegal, right? That what you are describing may be stupid in context, but isn't a crime?

 

And for God's sake, write intelligibly.

  Schurfluffle

Novice Member

Joined: 6/07/11
Posts: 7

3/27/12 4:55:03 PM#34

I have not posted on this gaffe anywhere else. Clearly what The Mittani did was bad, and of course EvE's forums have tons of Goon banter shouting down people calling for resignations and so forth.

I think the answer is simple enough - give the player base a chance to vote no confidence in him as CSM chair, and even as a member of CSM7. Further, CCP should ban Goons from speaking at the alliance forum - perhaps permanently.

The game is great and the community is very good, sometimes people take being the villian too far.

  RefMinor

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Joined: 7/16/11
Posts: 3542

Hipster

3/27/12 4:57:10 PM#35
Originally posted by Schurfluffle

I have not posted on this gaffe anywhere else. Clearly what The Mittani did was bad, and of course EvE's forums have tons of Goon banter shouting down people calling for resignations and so forth.

I think the answer is simple enough - give the player base a chance to vote no confidence in him as CSM chair, and even as a member of CSM7. Further, CCP should ban Goons from speaking at the alliance forum - perhaps permanently.

The game is great and the community is very good, sometimes people take being the villian too far.

 

I think this has gone beyond the game, do you really think CCP will risk him getting voted back in.
  Uronksur

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Joined: 8/03/09
Posts: 310

3/27/12 5:02:21 PM#36
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by Schurfluffle

I have not posted on this gaffe anywhere else. Clearly what The Mittani did was bad, and of course EvE's forums have tons of Goon banter shouting down people calling for resignations and so forth.

I think the answer is simple enough - give the player base a chance to vote no confidence in him as CSM chair, and even as a member of CSM7. Further, CCP should ban Goons from speaking at the alliance forum - perhaps permanently.

The game is great and the community is very good, sometimes people take being the villian too far.

 

I think this has gone beyond the game, do you really think CCP will risk him getting voted back in.

Certainly there is something to be said for CCP needing to consider barring people from CSM elections when they do idiocy like this that could reflect legal liability on CCP.

God, could you even imagine how very ugly this sitaution could get for CCP if the player who was mocked actually did commit suicide after this?

If nothing else, when this CSM guy started going on about another player's private mental health issue they should have cut his microphone immediately. I would bet in the future they will have a no-alcohol policy for speakers prior to their speech.

  User Deleted
3/27/12 5:05:08 PM#37

Lol, no.

  User Deleted
3/27/12 5:06:19 PM#38
Originally posted by Uronksur
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by Schurfluffle

I have not posted on this gaffe anywhere else. Clearly what The Mittani did was bad, and of course EvE's forums have tons of Goon banter shouting down people calling for resignations and so forth.

I think the answer is simple enough - give the player base a chance to vote no confidence in him as CSM chair, and even as a member of CSM7. Further, CCP should ban Goons from speaking at the alliance forum - perhaps permanently.

The game is great and the community is very good, sometimes people take being the villian too far.

 

I think this has gone beyond the game, do you really think CCP will risk him getting voted back in.

Certainly there is something to be said for CCP needing to consider barring people from CSM elections when they do idiocy like this that could reflect legal liability on CCP.

God, could you even imagine how very ugly this sitaution could get for CCP if the player who was mocked actually did commit suicide after this?

If nothing else, when this CSM guy started going on about another player's private mental health issue they should have cut his microphone immediately. I would bet in the future they will have a no-alcohol policy for speakers prior to their speech.

And a kill switch.

  Keller

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Posts: 229

3/27/12 5:08:28 PM#39

Main Account or this didn't happen!

  Schurfluffle

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Posts: 7

3/27/12 5:20:52 PM#40
Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh
Originally posted by Uronksur
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by Schurfluffle

I have not posted on this gaffe anywhere else. Clearly what The Mittani did was bad, and of course EvE's forums have tons of Goon banter shouting down people calling for resignations and so forth.

I think the answer is simple enough - give the player base a chance to vote no confidence in him as CSM chair, and even as a member of CSM7. Further, CCP should ban Goons from speaking at the alliance forum - perhaps permanently.

The game is great and the community is very good, sometimes people take being the villian too far.

 

I think this has gone beyond the game, do you really think CCP will risk him getting voted back in.

Certainly there is something to be said for CCP needing to consider barring people from CSM elections when they do idiocy like this that could reflect legal liability on CCP.

God, could you even imagine how very ugly this sitaution could get for CCP if the player who was mocked actually did commit suicide after this?

If nothing else, when this CSM guy started going on about another player's private mental health issue they should have cut his microphone immediately. I would bet in the future they will have a no-alcohol policy for speakers prior to their speech.

And a kill switch.

This was at the Alliance discussion, not a CSM function, but still he is a public figure in the game. For a guy so into it that he even writes articles on the game it is really quite surprising.

The keys are: did he break rules of the CSM and did he violate the EULA? These things tend to be broad enough to allow a company to make decisions. I think because he stated (as a poor joke) for people to grief this guy in game to get an effect in real life, CCP may do something about it.

EvE prides itself on being a sandbox and being permissive to a point. This is over the line and making the comment at a CCP event is why the company is getting bad press. The moderator could not control it and I am sure CCP did not condone it.

It is a shame because Mittani has done a lot for the game and Goons are a strong alliance and overall add a lot to the game. BTW, the comment on banning Goons from the Alliance discussion is due to the fact that he is their CEO and represented them at this particular event, nothing against the alliance per se.

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