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3/26/12 11:29:33 AM#41
Originally posted by Laughing-man You said Old School, thats why I said what I did. It s not punishing myself, if I enjoy what I m doing, as I said you re very opinionated, and I get you like the game. I hated it and think it s a step backwards in MMOs. If you don t like what I have to say about it, don t listen. Once again, what you re refering to isn t old school in the least. It s instant gratification, in the most repetitive way. |
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Laughing-man
 Hard Core Member
Joined: 4/23/09
I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes. |
3/26/12 11:40:37 AM#42
Originally posted by Leucent You can call something an opinion all you like, however when I provide details, thats a bit more than an opinion. You have yet to say a SINGLE thing you didn't like, whilest I listed off many innovative features and reasons why I think the game is fantastic. It seems you sir are opinionated, as you cannot back up any of your thoughts with details or facts or evidence.
TERA does many things that many gamers have been asking for, it innovates and renovates. It makes repeatable quests able to be done past their completion point so you can turn in repeatables multiple times, thats a new twist on an old idea. It has open world dungeons, and a moderate death penalty that is a time sink and a money sink. It hybridizes the old and the new in a fresh way. Combat that requires you to pay attention and actually react to monsters abilities is far more engaging that just healing the damage you took and standing still while hitting the same few attacks. Ah and how I missed collision detection, what a fantastic thing to bring back. Edit: where is the instant gratification? I'm sorry but that part of your statement makes absoutely no sense, please clarify. Unless you are saying that sitting around waiting for a monster to spawn is better because its delaying gratification? Its just poor game design.
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3/26/12 11:45:51 AM#43
Originally posted by Laughing-man I ll say it again, hopefully you can get it. It s not old school in the least. What else do you want me to say. The combat to me isn t good, the BAM s are going to wear thin, the quest system is terrible, the pvp and channels don t work, it doesn t matter if later there aren t any, thats due to lack of pop in the area, it can and will happen. It s an opinion of course, as is yours. Nothing anyone says is the gosspil truth, because all out r opinions are different. Don t get me started on how fast you can level, I hate that, and that alone makes it non old school. The days of a long, fun journey may be over, but IMO other games do it better. As I said I didn t like the game, giving examples, I already have, but your examples are just the opposite of how I feel, hence opinions. |
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3/26/12 11:46:18 AM#44
I can add to those little things laughing man, boy how long have we asked for a game with instant mounts, or a game where any class can get all professions. Theres even a minor death penalty, you don't want to lose those boss crystals, it sucks to get them back.
Nevermind we have engaging mobs all over the game world, with OWPvP to boot, even something as simple as having your guild logo beside your name for god sake.
I know so many people and guilds and we all have drama and talk amongst eachother because it is so easy to familiarize between guilds with a glaring emblem infront of you when you see another player.
The little things, make the game better to me.
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3/26/12 11:53:15 AM#45
Originally posted by Laughing-man It does have some minor novelties here and there. I didn't know about the turning in repeatable quests stuff, thanks for bringing that up. I saw that Archage has a similar thing on quest, for example you can under-do or over-do a quest. To me the most important and fun part of Tera is the combat, TBH its the only reason I am still interested in the game. The combat is actually VERY enganging expecially when you start getting into the 20s. Still Its so hard to overlook so many other negatives for me :( The story is non existant, I really don't like the asian art style, the quests are BORING and the problem with all of these is that aside from combat those are the things you will be doing ALL OF THE TIME. For me Im still on the fence on wether or not to get this game.
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3/26/12 11:53:50 AM#46
Originally posted by Pivotelite ?????
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3/26/12 12:00:02 PM#47
Overall Score: 7 (Fun action playstyle that is available for free elsewhere, but poor story/mob quality) Background: Played almost all the AAA titles since EQ, with exceptions being anything with a George Lucas Stamp. Good: They put in alot of effort into the art of this game. From character creation onwards, its definately eyecandy. There is much to see when it comes to overworld, and dungeons. Average: It is a run of the mill themepark mmo. Up to the late teens, it is very linear, and the quests are very simple. Kill this, harvest that, and escort this is all you will see. While most people will boast about its combat system, this too is just average. Games like Hunter Blade, and Dragon Nest (both originally from Korea as well), have the same battle style (active movement to avoid attacks, and mouse attack/keyboard hybrid). This game actually feels like one of those F2P games, with the only exception being that you don't have to p2w.. instead, at endgame you have a super gear grind to attempt to get the best stuff in the game. Gear progression description: Ffor those that have never played this type of games, let me try to explain gear progression in TERA. Like in all other games, by killing, questing and harvesting, you get level appropriate gear. As you level up, you will need better gear to survive hits, or do more damage. At any point, you can sacrifice similar tier gear and also pay some in game money, by buying required "powders", to slightly increase the stats of the weapon or armor. So if you have a tier 3 set of gloves that you like, you then have to get another tier 3 set of gloves and use 3 powders to upgrade the gloves to a +1 version. You do this again to get it to the plus 2 version, and so on. The higher the + you want to give it, the greater the chances that it will fail, and delevel. So if you have a +4 Sword, and you use a sword of same tier, and the poweder, but fail, the sword goes down to the +3 version. The "Masterwork" level is +12, but getting there will be virtually impossible without dumping huge amounts of in game money and items. This "huge amount" of gold and items will obviously need to be gathered in the gameworld by doing huge amounts of farming. However, there is something that is happening in the Korean version of the game, that will most likely happen hear as well. There is an in game item that you can purchase with real money that adds 30 days of playtime to your game. Since this item can be traded among players, what is happening in Korean TERA, is that players that want to upgrade their gear, but have very little money and items, sell this 30 day playtime card for tons of in game gold. With cash in hand, they now proceed to buy the powders and items they need to get their gear up to +12. So, indirectly at least, TERA is also a P2W game. It has been hinted lately though, that past level 50, they are doing away with BoE dungeon drops... so you can no longer buy off the market the gear needed to upgrade your equipment, and instead will have to farm it yourself... which will bring TERA back to the Uber gear grind in the later levels. Bad: While I don't want to qualify it as strictly bad (even though it does fall under this category), the music, voice-acting and overall story arc leaves alot to be desired. You can stomach it, but if you are paying a monthly fee for this game, it should be more than what it is. If I want the combat and the equipment leveling, then I would go play Dragon Nest and similar games. If I wanted story, then I would go play other strictly story driven games. And I could do both of these without paying a dime. But instead, I get a bland combination of both, and I am forced to pay a monthly fee for it. The other bad: Mob variety. The game is extremely limited in mob variety. These can be classified into: Treant, Humanoid, Golem, Centaur, Spider, Crab, Lizard, Antelopes, Clown, overlords & Ceberus. I am sure I missed a few, but the way these are introduced makes the world seem overly limited in types. The same art models seems to be used throught the entire game, and the only difference from one zone to the other, is the zone artwork, but not the mob models. Even the BAMs (elite big versions of the normal mobs) are just upscaled versions of the regular mobs. Odd: This game is definately way into "fanservice", which is what will make some people try it out. Need an example? Frontal nudity on the main city's statue(s) among other static things. And just about any of the female (or male, for you ladies) avatars you can make are very liberal in what they allow you to see (and hear). To the point that for the western release, they are censoring the Elim race (female only childlike bunny/dog/catgirl avatars), as it was leaning too much into pedofilia territory when it comes to western tastes. While this game has the use of blood, I honestly don't see this being the reason it receives an M rating. Some things in it go above just "suggestive", specially when in the hands of someone that is really trying. Conclusion: If you have never played action style MMORPG and want a change of pace, this is a good game to do it. However, it is not reinventing the wheel as many have ventured to say. There are other games with the same combat style and leveling style, but they are not as pretty to look at. It has some shortfallings in story and other aspects, but these can be stomached. If you are an MMO veteran, and have seen it all before, avoid this game... or at least avoid wasting your money on it. Give it a go on open beta, or during its eventual move to F2P or free trial, and give it your final say there. Again, this is not a bad game by a long shot, but its combat style is not new, and the story is lackluster at best. If you want the combat style, go try Dragon Nest for free, and skip over this one for now (at least till it goes the way of EQ, LoTR, Aion, Vangard ect...) |
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Laughing-man
Hard Core Member
Joined: 4/23/09
I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes. |
3/26/12 12:14:03 PM#48
I'd like to remind a certain few people to debate the game not the people who are reviewing the game. Also I'd like to point out saying something isn't "old school" doesn't quantify what that means. What do you mean 'the combat isn't good' what about it don't you like? The fact that its hit box based? or that you have to dodge? or how the skill chaining works? Which class did you play and what about that classes' combat didn't you like? Every class has very different feeling combat from the last in this game.
PVP and channels DO work, ask the people who like PVP and have been playing the game this weekend. There are plenty of people to kill, and you can avoid the PK's if you switch to another channel sure, but whats to say there aren't PKS there? Why does server channeling kill PVP? It doesn't. You can switch between channels in 5 seconds, as long as you are out of combat, I realy don't see how this hurts PVP at all... Lack of population won't be a problem as it only creates more channels when there are A LOT of people, again as I said earlier there are zones with only one channel, this occurs when there are not many players in one area. So where is the problem? Leveling fast when? what level did you get to? Why do you think its fast compared to what? So you clearly like a leveling based game rather than an alternative advancement game? Why does it mater if you are leveling or if you are at end game, if the content you are participating in.... is the same? (IE killing BAM's doing quests, doing dungeons, doing open world PVP etc.)
Most of your complaints are simply either A. Not factually correct. B. Not fully explained. I'm not saying the game is perfect, but a lot of folks are offhandedly dismissing it because they are uninformed on the actual content in the game.
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3/26/12 12:17:48 PM#49
Originally posted by Laughing-man You clearly don t understand a thing I m saying so i ll leave it that your OPINION, vastly differs from mine. Theres nothing factual about the combat is good, you could go on and on and on about why it is, it s still just an opinion. This is why I say it sucks. Not much more needed to be said. |
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3/26/12 12:19:56 PM#50
You're complaining about city statue frontal nudity? lol When I read those comments I always check the origin of the person that is making them and they all originate from the same country. It's extra hilarious considering all the RL statues are, guess what, nude in my country. Especially the males. And obviously noone seems to care about them depicted as they are. As for the Elins, they are as they are because the Japanese and generally eastern cultures like them that way. And that has nothing to do with how the easterners like their women. If that was true, the westerners would love their women dog ugly and flat chested, because the majority of the western games depict them like this for some reason. |
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3/26/12 12:24:20 PM#51
Originally posted by Leucent Well, a guy posted in another thread that he disliked Tera combat because he couldn't mouse click the abilities and strafe with the keyboard. He preferred a more traditional approach to mmorpgs, which is fine. That was his opinion of the combat, (which I respect), but he was giving an actual explanation on why he didn't like the Tera combat system. Instead of "combat is bad, whoever does not agree is obviously wrong". |
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3/26/12 12:31:44 PM#52
Originally posted by Xasapis Never said anyone is wrong. I said it s opinion, saying it s factual is laughable. |
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3/26/12 12:32:20 PM#53
Originally posted by Caldrin Agree! cuz I love Asian/anime art style! I played the beta and wish I had more time to play it thru out the weekend. I really like the melee class combat it was fun to start off level 1 and hack-n-slash my way thru leveling. I like the cool monsters design and beautiful arts and scenery. If I were to buy this game it would be for the fun combat and pretty arts but really, I wish it was a free to play or one time buy-the game and play free like GW!
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3/26/12 12:38:52 PM#54
Originally posted by Xasapis Re-read my review. I did not state that this was my opinion, and I did not put it under "good", "bad" or "average". Instead, I placed this under odd... as in "not common". For western audiences, having frontal nudity or more, even if it is in a static, art styled item, is not something seem commonly in MMORPGs, with the exception of AoC. Much less common is the use of a childlike avatar, specially if this is seen to clearly be sexualized. I put this down as something odd, and I did not put in my personal preferance on this point, and left it to the audience to decide if it was something "good", "bad" or other. Western games depict women differently than as they are done in Eastern audiences because there is a good deal more "conservative" populations that are very vocal about what they want others to see in games. It doesn't become a question of what is the personal choice of the individual, since not everyone has the same choice. I know of men that want their avatars to be more afeminate than are portrayed in game, as well as women that want a more "butch" look on their female avatar. This, however, does not a whole culture make, or destroy. The US is truly a melting pot of different likes and dislikes, and unfortunately, the mayority often dominates the minority on what they want, instead of being acceptive of all others. If the conservative, and vocal fronts in the country would just turn away from the things they don't like, you will see things very differently here, but since they don't, and they feel they have to put their own opinions on some things on everyone else, things will continue to be the way they are... dog faced, flat-chested and all. |
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3/26/12 2:56:05 PM#55
Originally posted by Leucent I you simply something like i don't like it or its bad w/o any reason than stop posting. There is no point to know if you like or dislike the game. The point is why, so we can come to understand why people see this game certain ways. Xasapis been pretty much asking this of you for the past 3 post or so and all you can replay is its an opinion. well DUH most everything here is a freaken opinion but at least some people are decent enough to tell why. So either say why or just stop making pointless posts. This goes for lot of people as well, if you don't like the game or even if you like it past why. If you just say this game suck or this game is awesome meants nothing if you give no solid reasoning, and only invite more troll posts. |
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3/27/12 12:27:34 AM#56
Originally posted by rexzshadow Okay, so you would rather I go into some longwinded explaination, just so you could say the exact same thing to me. Why, it s a waste of my time. I have given reasons, you guys are just ignoring them. I don t have to explain it anymore. So to that, I ll say the game lacks in literally every area, and I don t like it for that reason alone. You all know if I described every little thing I don t like, you would all disagree, and say wall of text etc etc. No need, after I ve already given my reasons, you re just to lazy or don t even read what I actually said, because it s not to your liking. Too bad, I have every right to say what I do and how I do. As I said before if you don t like it, ignore it. |
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3/27/12 1:24:02 AM#57
Originally posted by Leucent So please ignore it and we can ignore you. |
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3/27/12 2:44:25 AM#58
TERA like many other MMOs has its pros and cons (more pros - opinion), but what game doesn't? CBT4 was fun and full of exploring for me, especially with a great guild...Though in the end, each persons experience will always be different. CBT use to be more about determining such cons, bugs, needed improvements and server load, so we as players can let companies / publishers (EME / BH) know about such faults and what we want improved. It's not the case it seems, people expect a finished and polished product...we instead get individuals who bash and rant about how bad / crappy / boring...etc the game is, instead of helping to maybe improve TERA. It happens to all games, I'd like to see these people come up with something better... For all you B2P fans: In essence, TERA is like a B2P game... cuz you don't need to pay subsription to play it (maybe the first month), its called Chronoscolls. Look it up...
Playing: TERA, DCUO Will play and waiting for: TERA, GW2, D3, DUST514, AA, SW, WoD
I also think that many of the negative posts and comments about certain games (constant bashing), is actually only coming from a couple of people (same people) with multiple accounts....Just being trolls
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3/27/12 3:33:59 AM#59
Hmm, can I activate the Chronoscrolls from outside of the game? Ie, I bought chronoscrolls ahead of time, but decided to stop playing for a while, can I use them to reactivate my account for a month? |
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Originally posted by R.I.O.T So ignore them. Stop being a troll yourself. Posting in orange doesnt make us take you more seriously. |
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