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3/25/12 10:47:30 PM#61
Originally posted by Dreadblade I believe Mortal Online was full price. You can't cancel a preorder from most online retailers so it was basically the same thing if you prepurchased from an online retailer SW:TOR or TERA. It's not really unprecendented. Either way you were still paying for beta access, whether it was $5-10 towards your preorder or full price. The head starts are basically paying for full price for 1-3 days extra retail which is just as bad too. Same goes with preorder bonuses. Not justifying it, but these retailers only want people who are serious about the preorder, preordering the game. If people just cancel their preorder it defeats the entire purpose of having preorders in the first place.  |
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3/25/12 10:50:49 PM#62
Subscription is pay2win in EQ2. Heck, you get so much better by paying for it that free players have no chanse. They have worse gear and their skills do less damage. |
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3/25/12 10:53:35 PM#63
Originally posted by Magnum2103 See IMHO it is a marketing ploy and again one which no Major dev has charged full price before, MO has what 100 people playing it? I can always go to my local gamestop and cancel my pre order if I did not like the so called beta. Here they are sucking you in charging full price for a marketing ploy, it is not a real Beta let's get serious but if you think it is ok for them to do that knock yourself out on $50. Me I stand behind my principles I did not buy ME3 because of the day 1 DLC nor will I play this due to the cash shop and BS beta scam.
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3/25/12 10:54:32 PM#64
Originally posted by Loke666 It's exactly the same for free accounts in Anarchy Online. But that model has been around for Years. It's because you don't have access to all expansions |
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3/25/12 10:55:03 PM#65
Nope.
It would be if they had scaled subscriptions where the higher prices allowed you to get an advantage. |
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3/25/12 10:57:22 PM#66
Originally posted by Loke666 EQ2 was subscription first then they changed models, totally unrelated.
The question I keep asking myself is why is there such blind faith in a Dev that made a mediocre semi MMO (GW1) to begin with, backed by a money grubbing parent company called NCSoft, that at the end of the day all they really want is your money plain and simple.
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3/25/12 10:58:19 PM#67
Gotta be honest. Have no idea what the OP is talking about. It went over my head. |
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3/25/12 11:01:48 PM#68
Originally posted by Jakard He is trying to reverse spin the sub model, to justify the cash shop in a nutshell.
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3/25/12 11:03:06 PM#69
Originally posted by Dreadblade The proverbial smoke-screen sums it up fairly well. For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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3/25/12 11:05:35 PM#70
The premise of this thread was founded to kick around the idea that what ANet is doing is actually better for GW2 than traditional Revenue models. To me, It's not. Because With the cash shop, they also said there will be sinks It's these sinks that bother me. They will be there to reabsob currency to combat inflation from the cash shop. But this will burry the non cash shop user who will have to work that much harder to compensate. And the other sinks. I would expect that what we are going to call "Items of Convienience" will have some kind of counter part in the game. The "sink" if you will, that will be there to make us want the items in the shop. I think it's very naive to think that we can look at the items in the shop and say point blank. Those mean nothing to me. They are going t obe there for a reason. They wouldn't go through the trouble of putting something in there that has little to no value.
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3/25/12 11:05:50 PM#71
Originally posted by Dreadblade Betas really aren't suppose to be about getting players to decide whether they want to buy the game or not. That's what demos and trials are for. Betas are usually about testing the game (usually the public betas being stress tests on the servers) with a larger amount of people than their QA and Testers. Preorders are to get a gauge of how many people are going to buy the game (especially Collector's Editions). Besides, GW2 also has a free beta too that requires no prepurchase. We're going off topic a bit here. |
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3/25/12 11:07:11 PM#72
Someone the other day and I forget who nailed it on the head, all these companies have realized how lucrative the gold farming business is and now want a piece. That is really what they are doing nothing more nothing less and to me they are not any better.
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3/25/12 11:09:25 PM#73
Originally posted by Dreadblade In my case because I played GW for 5 years and love it. Just because you don't doesn't mean it is a bad game. I am pretty sure I am unimpressed by plenty of games you like as well without I calling them "mediocre". And yeah, NC soft are money grabbing like all big publishing houses but they are nowhere near EA, Atari or Activision. AAA MMOs are sadly so expensive to make today that very few independent companies can make them.¨ I don't have blind fate, usually when I love a game the sequel is at least worth the money and time to play it. If you hated GW and havn't tried GW2 we can talk about blind fate though. |
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3/25/12 11:14:32 PM#74
Originally posted by Dreadblade The cash shop so far doesn't bother me as I've seen nothing I consider to be Pay2Win.
As for the pre purchase to get into beta - why should a company give beta access to just anyone? I think that makes good business sense. A beta is supposed to be a testing phase. You do that testing with people who you think are going to actually play your game. By granting beta access to those of us who pre purchase, they can get close to eliminating people who use the beta to figure out if they want to even play the game. It's basically them protecting their brand and I see nothing wrong with that.
It sounds to me like your not that big a fan of Anet, which makes me think you won't be buying the game any time soon. So, why then should YOU get into the beta at the expense of me (someone who will pre purchase) getting into it. If it were a typical beta - fill out the application and hope to get picked - why should you be able to take a spot from me?
So, what about the Cash Shop don't you like? Or did I just get caught walking over the Troll's bridge again?
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for??? Be afraid.....The dragons are HERE! |
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3/25/12 11:14:38 PM#75
Originally posted by Magnum2103 Again I must redspectfully disagree with you, but if you think that it is ok to charge full price for a guaranteed spot in this so called beta test that is your prerogative.
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3/25/12 11:14:43 PM#76
There also appears to be a huge gap in knowledge about how this game is structured, and how far cash items can actually take you. |
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3/25/12 11:14:43 PM#77
Originally posted by Dreadblade So it is as bad to have a cashshop as to hijack peoples accounts? Because that is how most gold sellers got their money nowadays. Don't get me wrong here, RMT suck but you are comparing someone who download music from piratebay with someone who robs people. |
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3/25/12 11:18:45 PM#78
Originally posted by Loke666 Protip - downloading music illegally IS stealing. El Psy Congroo |
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3/25/12 11:21:52 PM#79
Originally posted by kadepsyson I don't think it is in Sweden. For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson If you can't argue the point don't say anything at all. |
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3/25/12 11:25:55 PM#80
Originally posted by Loke666 No all I am saying is they want a piece of that multi million dollar business
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