Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by RefMinor

 

So the vast majority of the 1.7m there were at 31st Dec subbed, that's anything from 1.2m to 1.69m, no mention of how many of those unsubbed at the end of Jan or the End of Feb, as a statement of subs at the time it was made in march it is essentially meaningless. The truth will out in the year end investor reports but ALL anecdotal evidence points to severe falls in numbers.

Uhm, while i don't really like to take a side in that debate he actually posted links supporting his theories while you posted your own opinion.

So put up some proof (at least something as good as the link) or you are losing this discussion..

 

http://www.morningstar.com/earnings/34910064-electronic-arts-inc-ea-q3-2012.aspx

 

These are the only official figures quoted, this is a transcript of the EA Q3 financial year 2012 (period ending dec 31st) margin call with investors. They quote 2m sales with 1.7m active ( ie 300k not activated, or activated and credit card cancelled), all the quote above said was that of those 1.7m a vast majority went on to subscribe, that may be true so all we know 1.2m to 1.69m took at least a month after the initial free period.

 

So for some more actual figures rather than generalised non legally binding CEO spin we need to wait for the Year End financials sometime after 31st March, this is why they are cramming in free trials to try to pick up extra subs before those figures are announced, my opinion which is in line with all anecdotal evidence is they are falling hard. Eg

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=350700

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/336517/page/46

 

The plural of anecdote is not data

 

I repeat all anecdotal evidence is that subs are falling fast from the Q3 figures and that we have to wait for the year End figures to see where it has gone. I repeat this because I have no idea what your statement means.

 

It means that no matter how much ancedotal evidence you have, like having more than one piece (plural) it will never be hard cold data or... 

Anecdotes like this do not prove anything. In any case where some factor affects the probability of an outcome, rather than uniquely determining it, selected individual cases prove nothing; e.g. "my grandfather smoked 40 a day until he died at 90" and "my sister never went near anyone who smoked but died of lung cancer". Anecdotes often refer to the exception, rather than the rule: "Anecdotes are useless precisely because they may point to idiosyncratic responses." Even when many anecdotes are collected to prove a point, "The plural of anecdote is not data." (Roger Brinner)

 

We can only take what the CEO of EA has said until we have other evidence that he is not telling the truth. Until that time all other theories are conjecture and assumptions. So the real truth will out with EA's quarterly finances and projections for the future.

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by RefMinor

 

So the vast majority of the 1.7m there were at 31st Dec subbed, that's anything from 1.2m to 1.69m, no mention of how many of those unsubbed at the end of Jan or the End of Feb, as a statement of subs at the time it was made in march it is essentially meaningless. The truth will out in the year end investor reports but ALL anecdotal evidence points to severe falls in numbers.

Uhm, while i don't really like to take a side in that debate he actually posted links supporting his theories while you posted your own opinion.

So put up some proof (at least something as good as the link) or you are losing this discussion..

http://www.morningstar.com/earnings/34910064-electronic-arts-inc-ea-q3-2012.aspxThese are the only official figures quoted, this is a transcript of the EA Q3 financial year 2012 (period ending dec 31st) margin call with investors. They quote 2m sales with 1.7m active ( ie 300k not activated, or activated and credit card cancelled), all the quote above said was that of those 1.7m a vast majority went on to subscribe, that may be true so all we know 1.2m to 1.69m took at least a month after the initial free period.

So for some more actual figures rather than generalised non legally binding CEO spin we need to wait for the Year End financials sometime after 31st March, this is why they are cramming in free trials to try to pick up extra subs before those figures are announced, my opinion which is in line with all anecdotal evidence is they are falling hard. Eghttp://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=350700http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/336517/page/46

So basically you have no clue and means ha have no clue either.

That is fine but say so instead of talk about falling numbers.

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by RefMinor

 

So the vast majority of the 1.7m there were at 31st Dec subbed, that's anything from 1.2m to 1.69m, no mention of how many of those unsubbed at the end of Jan or the End of Feb, as a statement of subs at the time it was made in march it is essentially meaningless. The truth will out in the year end investor reports but ALL anecdotal evidence points to severe falls in numbers.

Uhm, while i don't really like to take a side in that debate he actually posted links supporting his theories while you posted your own opinion.

So put up some proof (at least something as good as the link) or you are losing this discussion..

 

http://www.morningstar.com/earnings/34910064-electronic-arts-inc-ea-q3-2012.aspx

 

These are the only official figures quoted, this is a transcript of the EA Q3 financial year 2012 (period ending dec 31st) margin call with investors. They quote 2m sales with 1.7m active ( ie 300k not activated, or activated and credit card cancelled), all the quote above said was that of those 1.7m a vast majority went on to subscribe, that may be true so all we know 1.2m to 1.69m took at least a month after the initial free period.

 

So for some more actual figures rather than generalised non legally binding CEO spin we need to wait for the Year End financials sometime after 31st March, this is why they are cramming in free trials to try to pick up extra subs before those figures are announced, my opinion which is in line with all anecdotal evidence is they are falling hard. Eg

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=350700

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/336517/page/46

 

The plural of anecdote is not data

 

I repeat all anecdotal evidence is that subs are falling fast from the Q3 figures and that we have to wait for the year End figures to see where it has gone. I repeat this because I have no idea what your statement means.

 

It means that no matter how much ancedotal evidence you have, like having more than one piece (plural) it will never be hard cold data or... 

Anecdotes like this do not prove anything. In any case where some factor affects the probability of an outcome, rather than uniquely determining it, selected individual cases prove nothing; e.g. "my grandfather smoked 40 a day until he died at 90" and "my sister never went near anyone who smoked but died of lung cancer". Anecdotes often refer to the exception, rather than the rule: "Anecdotes are useless precisely because they may point to idiosyncratic responses." Even when many anecdotes are collected to prove a point, "The plural of anecdote is not data." (Roger Brinner)

 

We can only take what the CEO of EA has said until we have other evidence that he is not telling the truth. Until that time all other theories are conjecture and assumptions. So the real truth will out with EA's quarterly finances and projections for the future.

 

Keep believing, make it happen.

Is that it? all you could come up with? I'm disappointed, shame really, maybe intellectual debate is not your thing.

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by RefMinor

 

So the vast majority of the 1.7m there were at 31st Dec subbed, that's anything from 1.2m to 1.69m, no mention of how many of those unsubbed at the end of Jan or the End of Feb, as a statement of subs at the time it was made in march it is essentially meaningless. The truth will out in the year end investor reports but ALL anecdotal evidence points to severe falls in numbers.

Uhm, while i don't really like to take a side in that debate he actually posted links supporting his theories while you posted your own opinion.

So put up some proof (at least something as good as the link) or you are losing this discussion..

 

http://www.morningstar.com/earnings/34910064-electronic-arts-inc-ea-q3-2012.aspx

 

These are the only official figures quoted, this is a transcript of the EA Q3 financial year 2012 (period ending dec 31st) margin call with investors. They quote 2m sales with 1.7m active ( ie 300k not activated, or activated and credit card cancelled), all the quote above said was that of those 1.7m a vast majority went on to subscribe, that may be true so all we know 1.2m to 1.69m took at least a month after the initial free period.

 

So for some more actual figures rather than generalised non legally binding CEO spin we need to wait for the Year End financials sometime after 31st March, this is why they are cramming in free trials to try to pick up extra subs before those figures are announced, my opinion which is in line with all anecdotal evidence is they are falling hard. Eg

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=350700

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/336517/page/46

 

The plural of anecdote is not data

 

I repeat all anecdotal evidence is that subs are falling fast from the Q3 figures and that we have to wait for the year End figures to see where it has gone. I repeat this because I have no idea what your statement means.

 

It means that no matter how much ancedotal evidence you have, like having more than one piece (plural) it will never be hard cold data or... 

Anecdotes like this do not prove anything. In any case where some factor affects the probability of an outcome, rather than uniquely determining it, selected individual cases prove nothing; e.g. "my grandfather smoked 40 a day until he died at 90" and "my sister never went near anyone who smoked but died of lung cancer". Anecdotes often refer to the exception, rather than the rule: "Anecdotes are useless precisely because they may point to idiosyncratic responses." Even when many anecdotes are collected to prove a point, "The plural of anecdote is not data." (Roger Brinner)

 

We can only take what the CEO of EA has said until we have other evidence that he is not telling the truth. Until that time all other theories are conjecture and assumptions. So the real truth will out with EA's quarterly finances and projections for the future.

 

Keep believing, make it happen.

 

Is that it? all you could come up with? I'm disappointed, shame really, maybe intellectual debate is not your thing.

We have history. Were EA's comments about Warhammer similar right after launch? If SWTOR subs were on the rise, EA's stock would be on fire because at this point if subs were rising, they wouldnt be stopping any time soon. Not with BF3 to draw players from among other mmos.

This is what their investors were waiting and hoping for. What are the investors doing atm? I havent been paying attention, but last I looked it seemed they couldnt interperet the situation either. I personally believe the investors would have rather seen a risk taken than to break even. But the economy sucks, and providing jobs is almost as important.

Don't get me wrong, i personally think they're rolling in cash as the suckers are busy arguing over stuff they read on the internet and EA has moved on to the next box sale scam. If they can make money, and suckers still fall for it, then everyone is happy except gamers and the long investor. But dont worry, the next title will save us lol. 

Just my opinion. Is history on your side of the debate or theirs? have we heard this song and dance before?

Originally posted by Warjin

People are sick in the heads, really tell me what MMO are you playing thats sooooo much better?

If not WoW, Rift, Swtor, EvE and the list goes on then what MMO is the ("AkA" cream of the crop) in your eyes because if it's not one of those pay to play MMO then it's most likly a failed game.

I'm give you two reasons why many play those games.

1. They are fun

2. They have backing to support future content or (MMO Security)

MMO's are like financial investments, any logical person is not going to invest money into a failed business many will invest into a business that will be around a long time and generate money (aka content in MMO terms), games like Swtor, WoW to name a few provide a sense of MMO security of not becoming another MMO casualty like so many other MMO's in the past.

I know and many know that Swtor ("love it of hate it") is not going anywhere and I enjoy the sense of security that Swtor gives me as a player, I know that Bioware will keep the content & polish pumping out and for that I will support Bioware and only because they are giving many of us players that  MMO security.

Sorry, you've been suckered to believe that only eq/wow clones are viable because that is what MMOs turned into after 2000.  Ultima Online/Asheron's Call style are much different.

For Asheron's Call, you had a world where you could run in any direction for hours and explore a MASSIVE world, free monthly CONTENT updates with an ongoing story, more skill based pvp where you could kill someone 10-20 levels above you if you knew what you were doing, the ability to travel around the world by linking to portals, an actual death penalty that was only brutal if you died repeatedly, a unique patronage guild system, the ability to distribute xp in any way you'd like, regardless of level, etc etc etc.

Just because you and others are ignorant of other options to MMO... all that means is that you've been duped into believing the current garbage is all that can be done.

Originally posted by Fikusthe4th

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by RefMinor

 

So the vast majority of the 1.7m there were at 31st Dec subbed, that's anything from 1.2m to 1.69m, no mention of how many of those unsubbed at the end of Jan or the End of Feb, as a statement of subs at the time it was made in march it is essentially meaningless. The truth will out in the year end investor reports but ALL anecdotal evidence points to severe falls in numbers.

Uhm, while i don't really like to take a side in that debate he actually posted links supporting his theories while you posted your own opinion.

So put up some proof (at least something as good as the link) or you are losing this discussion..

 

http://www.morningstar.com/earnings/34910064-electronic-arts-inc-ea-q3-2012.aspx

 

These are the only official figures quoted, this is a transcript of the EA Q3 financial year 2012 (period ending dec 31st) margin call with investors. They quote 2m sales with 1.7m active ( ie 300k not activated, or activated and credit card cancelled), all the quote above said was that of those 1.7m a vast majority went on to subscribe, that may be true so all we know 1.2m to 1.69m took at least a month after the initial free period.

 

So for some more actual figures rather than generalised non legally binding CEO spin we need to wait for the Year End financials sometime after 31st March, this is why they are cramming in free trials to try to pick up extra subs before those figures are announced, my opinion which is in line with all anecdotal evidence is they are falling hard. Eg

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=350700

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/336517/page/46

 

The plural of anecdote is not data

 

I repeat all anecdotal evidence is that subs are falling fast from the Q3 figures and that we have to wait for the year End figures to see where it has gone. I repeat this because I have no idea what your statement means.

 

It means that no matter how much ancedotal evidence you have, like having more than one piece (plural) it will never be hard cold data or... 

Anecdotes like this do not prove anything. In any case where some factor affects the probability of an outcome, rather than uniquely determining it, selected individual cases prove nothing; e.g. "my grandfather smoked 40 a day until he died at 90" and "my sister never went near anyone who smoked but died of lung cancer". Anecdotes often refer to the exception, rather than the rule: "Anecdotes are useless precisely because they may point to idiosyncratic responses." Even when many anecdotes are collected to prove a point, "The plural of anecdote is not data." (Roger Brinner)

 

We can only take what the CEO of EA has said until we have other evidence that he is not telling the truth. Until that time all other theories are conjecture and assumptions. So the real truth will out with EA's quarterly finances and projections for the future.

 

Keep believing, make it happen.

 

Is that it? all you could come up with? I'm disappointed, shame really, maybe intellectual debate is not your thing.

We have history. Were EA's comments about Warhammer similar right after launch? If SWTOR subs were on the rise, EA's stock would be on fire because at this point if subs were rising, they wouldnt be stopping any time soon. Not with BF3 to draw players from among other mmos.

This is what their investors were waiting and hoping for. What are the investors doing atm? I havent been paying attention, but last I looked it seemed they couldnt interperet the situation either. I personally believe the investors would have rather seen a risk taken than to break even. But the economy sucks, and providing jobs is almost as important.

Don't get me wrong, i personally think they're rolling in cash as the suckers are busy arguing over stuff they read on the internet and EA has moved on to the next box sale scam. If they can make money, and suckers still fall for it, then everyone is happy except gamers and the long investor. But dont worry, the next title will save us lol. 

Just my opinion. Is history on your side of the debate or theirs? have we heard this song and dance before?

 

and warhammer was (before bioware got their hands on it) a better game.  EA have a really shit track record at supporting ALL their MMOs

Originally posted by ShakyMo

Originally posted by Fikusthe4th

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by RefMinor

 

So the vast majority of the 1.7m there were at 31st Dec subbed, that's anything from 1.2m to 1.69m, no mention of how many of those unsubbed at the end of Jan or the End of Feb, as a statement of subs at the time it was made in march it is essentially meaningless. The truth will out in the year end investor reports but ALL anecdotal evidence points to severe falls in numbers.

Uhm, while i don't really like to take a side in that debate he actually posted links supporting his theories while you posted your own opinion.

So put up some proof (at least something as good as the link) or you are losing this discussion..

 

http://www.morningstar.com/earnings/34910064-electronic-arts-inc-ea-q3-2012.aspx

 

These are the only official figures quoted, this is a transcript of the EA Q3 financial year 2012 (period ending dec 31st) margin call with investors. They quote 2m sales with 1.7m active ( ie 300k not activated, or activated and credit card cancelled), all the quote above said was that of those 1.7m a vast majority went on to subscribe, that may be true so all we know 1.2m to 1.69m took at least a month after the initial free period.

 

So for some more actual figures rather than generalised non legally binding CEO spin we need to wait for the Year End financials sometime after 31st March, this is why they are cramming in free trials to try to pick up extra subs before those figures are announced, my opinion which is in line with all anecdotal evidence is they are falling hard. Eg

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=350700

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/336517/page/46

 

The plural of anecdote is not data

 

I repeat all anecdotal evidence is that subs are falling fast from the Q3 figures and that we have to wait for the year End figures to see where it has gone. I repeat this because I have no idea what your statement means.

 

It means that no matter how much ancedotal evidence you have, like having more than one piece (plural) it will never be hard cold data or... 

Anecdotes like this do not prove anything. In any case where some factor affects the probability of an outcome, rather than uniquely determining it, selected individual cases prove nothing; e.g. "my grandfather smoked 40 a day until he died at 90" and "my sister never went near anyone who smoked but died of lung cancer". Anecdotes often refer to the exception, rather than the rule: "Anecdotes are useless precisely because they may point to idiosyncratic responses." Even when many anecdotes are collected to prove a point, "The plural of anecdote is not data." (Roger Brinner)

 

We can only take what the CEO of EA has said until we have other evidence that he is not telling the truth. Until that time all other theories are conjecture and assumptions. So the real truth will out with EA's quarterly finances and projections for the future.

 

Keep believing, make it happen.

 

Is that it? all you could come up with? I'm disappointed, shame really, maybe intellectual debate is not your thing.

We have history. Were EA's comments about Warhammer similar right after launch? If SWTOR subs were on the rise, EA's stock would be on fire because at this point if subs were rising, they wouldnt be stopping any time soon. Not with BF3 to draw players from among other mmos.

This is what their investors were waiting and hoping for. What are the investors doing atm? I havent been paying attention, but last I looked it seemed they couldnt interperet the situation either. I personally believe the investors would have rather seen a risk taken than to break even. But the economy sucks, and providing jobs is almost as important.

Don't get me wrong, i personally think they're rolling in cash as the suckers are busy arguing over stuff they read on the internet and EA has moved on to the next box sale scam. If they can make money, and suckers still fall for it, then everyone is happy except gamers and the long investor. But dont worry, the next title will save us lol. 

Just my opinion. Is history on your side of the debate or theirs? have we heard this song and dance before?

 

and warhammer was (before bioware got their hands on it) a better game.  EA have a really shit track record at supporting ALL their MMOs

But we're talking about comments from ceo's after a launch of an MMO and if those comments should be given the benefit of the doubt.

Im aware of EA track record. I was wondering if their track record and comments from history should be included in the debate?

Originally posted by Fikusthe4th

Originally posted by ShakyMo

Originally posted by Fikusthe4th

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Calerxes

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by RefMinor

 

So the vast majority of the 1.7m there were at 31st Dec subbed, that's anything from 1.2m to 1.69m, no mention of how many of those unsubbed at the end of Jan or the End of Feb, as a statement of subs at the time it was made in march it is essentially meaningless. The truth will out in the year end investor reports but ALL anecdotal evidence points to severe falls in numbers.

Uhm, while i don't really like to take a side in that debate he actually posted links supporting his theories while you posted your own opinion.

So put up some proof (at least something as good as the link) or you are losing this discussion..

 

http://www.morningstar.com/earnings/34910064-electronic-arts-inc-ea-q3-2012.aspx

 

These are the only official figures quoted, this is a transcript of the EA Q3 financial year 2012 (period ending dec 31st) margin call with investors. They quote 2m sales with 1.7m active ( ie 300k not activated, or activated and credit card cancelled), all the quote above said was that of those 1.7m a vast majority went on to subscribe, that may be true so all we know 1.2m to 1.69m took at least a month after the initial free period.

 

So for some more actual figures rather than generalised non legally binding CEO spin we need to wait for the Year End financials sometime after 31st March, this is why they are cramming in free trials to try to pick up extra subs before those figures are announced, my opinion which is in line with all anecdotal evidence is they are falling hard. Eg

 

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=350700

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/336517/page/46

 

The plural of anecdote is not data

 

I repeat all anecdotal evidence is that subs are falling fast from the Q3 figures and that we have to wait for the year End figures to see where it has gone. I repeat this because I have no idea what your statement means.

 

It means that no matter how much ancedotal evidence you have, like having more than one piece (plural) it will never be hard cold data or... 

Anecdotes like this do not prove anything. In any case where some factor affects the probability of an outcome, rather than uniquely determining it, selected individual cases prove nothing; e.g. "my grandfather smoked 40 a day until he died at 90" and "my sister never went near anyone who smoked but died of lung cancer". Anecdotes often refer to the exception, rather than the rule: "Anecdotes are useless precisely because they may point to idiosyncratic responses." Even when many anecdotes are collected to prove a point, "The plural of anecdote is not data." (Roger Brinner)

 

We can only take what the CEO of EA has said until we have other evidence that he is not telling the truth. Until that time all other theories are conjecture and assumptions. So the real truth will out with EA's quarterly finances and projections for the future.

 

Keep believing, make it happen.

 

Is that it? all you could come up with? I'm disappointed, shame really, maybe intellectual debate is not your thing.

We have history. Were EA's comments about Warhammer similar right after launch? If SWTOR subs were on the rise, EA's stock would be on fire because at this point if subs were rising, they wouldnt be stopping any time soon. Not with BF3 to draw players from among other mmos.

This is what their investors were waiting and hoping for. What are the investors doing atm? I havent been paying attention, but last I looked it seemed they couldnt interperet the situation either. I personally believe the investors would have rather seen a risk taken than to break even. But the economy sucks, and providing jobs is almost as important.

Don't get me wrong, i personally think they're rolling in cash as the suckers are busy arguing over stuff they read on the internet and EA has moved on to the next box sale scam. If they can make money, and suckers still fall for it, then everyone is happy except gamers and the long investor. But dont worry, the next title will save us lol. 

Just my opinion. Is history on your side of the debate or theirs? have we heard this song and dance before?

 

and warhammer was (before bioware got their hands on it) a better game.  EA have a really shit track record at supporting ALL their MMOs

But we're talking about comments from ceo's after a launch of an MMO and if those comments should be given the benefit of the doubt.

Im aware of EA track record. I was wondering if their track record and comments from history should be included in the debate?