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  ignore_me

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OP  3/25/12 4:58:13 PM#1

If you read the official forums http://www.swtor.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=349  you see the features of SWG being asked for with great frequency. I have this imagined idea of the Bioware development team booing and hissing as they hear about these requests. Anyone think BW will isten and actually implement things like player bounties, real player housing, chairs you can sit in, multi-player vehicles, open worlds, real space game?

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  RefMinor

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3/25/12 5:00:55 PM#2
Originally posted by ignore_me

If you read the official forums http://www.swtor.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=349  you see the features of SWG being asked for with great frequency. I have this imagined idea of the Bioware development team booing and hissing as they hear about these requests. Anyone think BW will isten and actually implement things like player bounties, real player housing, chairs you can sit in, multi-player vehicles, open worlds, real space game?

 

I think it would be too much work for a game with a shrinking population that was designed on rails.
  Elikal

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3/25/12 5:04:13 PM#3
Originally posted by ignore_me

If you read the official forums http://www.swtor.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=349  you see the features of SWG being asked for with great frequency. I have this imagined idea of the Bioware development team booing and hissing as they hear about these requests. Anyone think BW will isten and actually implement things like player bounties, real player housing, chairs you can sit in, multi-player vehicles, open worlds, real space game?

I suggested such features for over 2 years on their forum, and I explained in great length why these were needed. If they didn't add it, it is because they did not want it. Nothing tells me they are wiser now. Only when it is too late will they realize it. Maybe not even then.

On the contrary they will focus most likely on "more of the same", aka more Flashpoints, more Operations, more Warzones and more story-story-story.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  User Deleted
3/25/12 5:07:35 PM#4

Well if they lose too many subs, they may be forced to pull an NGE in reverse hehe. That would be interesting.

  ignore_me

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OP  3/25/12 5:07:40 PM#5
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by ignore_me

If you read the official forums http://www.swtor.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=349  you see the features of SWG being asked for with great frequency. I have this imagined idea of the Bioware development team booing and hissing as they hear about these requests. Anyone think BW will isten and actually implement things like player bounties, real player housing, chairs you can sit in, multi-player vehicles, open worlds, real space game?

I suggested such features for over 2 years on their forum, and I explained in great length why these were needed. If they didn't add it, it is because they did not want it. Nothing tells me they are wiser now. Only when it is too late will they realize it. Maybe not even then.

On the contrary they will focus most likely on "more of the same", aka more Flashpoints, more Operations, more Warzones and more story-story-story.

Oh that's horrible. If they don't adapt they deserve nothing more than total and complete failure. You are probably right, I think they have an insulated perspective and would be afraid to leave their model.

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  ignore_me

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OP  3/25/12 5:09:53 PM#6
Originally posted by DannyGlover

Well if they lose too many subs, they may be forced to pull an NGE in reverse hehe. That would be interesting.

Awesome! lol

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  Storman1977

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3/25/12 5:18:57 PM#7

If this were the Bioware of old, then yeah, there would be a possibility that they would implement some of the SWG ideas.  Being that this is the bastardized, EA version of Bioware; even if they do implement the ideas, they would be a DLC that, if not purchased, would make the game unplayable.

 

Personally, my wish list would be as follows -

-More active combat- Take the basic melee/gun fire off the hot bar and add them to the mouse, circa DDO/DCUO, and work in real-time.

-Get a little sand on the rails- Bioware have told their story, now open up the worlds more and let us make our own stories.

-Grouping- You know, give us a real reason to group up instead of just soloing with our A.I. companions.

-Add to PvP- Maybe impactful RvR(vR?).  Something that would make everyone want to participate in PvP.

-Looking for Group- Granted, making grouping more needed would need to happen first.  But having a fully fleshed out LFG panel (Quest name, classes needed, etc) would be a huge improvement.

 

I know all too well that these are a pipedream and will probably never happen.

  ignore_me

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OP  3/25/12 5:21:10 PM#8
Originally posted by Storman1977

If this were the Bioware of old, then yeah, there would be a possibility that they would implement some of the SWG ideas.  Being that this is the bastardized, EA version of Bioware; even if they do implement the ideas, they would be a DLC that, if not purchased, would make the game unplayable.

 

Personally, my wish list would be as follows -

-More active combat- Take the basic melee/gun fire off the hot bar and add them to the mouse, circa DDO/DCUO, and work in real-time.

-Get a little sand on the rails- Bioware have told their story, now open up the worlds more and let us make our own stories.

-Grouping- You know, give us a real reason to group up instead of just soloing with our A.I. companions.

-Add to PvP- Maybe impactful RvR(vR?).  Something that would make everyone want to participate in PvP.

-Looking for Group- Granted, making grouping more needed would need to happen first.  But having a fully fleshed out LFG panel (Quest name, classes needed, etc) would be a huge improvement.

 

I know all too well that these are a pipedream and will probably never happen.

this is soo true. I need a break from their story, and it would make it easier on them in the long run.

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  Elikal

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3/25/12 5:24:27 PM#9
Originally posted by ignore_me
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by ignore_me

If you read the official forums http://www.swtor.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=349  you see the features of SWG being asked for with great frequency. I have this imagined idea of the Bioware development team booing and hissing as they hear about these requests. Anyone think BW will isten and actually implement things like player bounties, real player housing, chairs you can sit in, multi-player vehicles, open worlds, real space game?

I suggested such features for over 2 years on their forum, and I explained in great length why these were needed. If they didn't add it, it is because they did not want it. Nothing tells me they are wiser now. Only when it is too late will they realize it. Maybe not even then.

On the contrary they will focus most likely on "more of the same", aka more Flashpoints, more Operations, more Warzones and more story-story-story.

Oh that's horrible. If they don't adapt they deserve nothing more than total and complete failure. You are probably right, I think they have an insulated perspective and would be afraid to leave their model.

I really, really wish they could be made to understand. Sigh.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  RefMinor

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3/25/12 5:30:32 PM#10
Originally posted by DannyGlover

Well if they lose too many subs, they may be forced to pull an NGE in reverse hehe. That would be interesting.

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/342309/page/1

 

I am a month ahead of you there Mr.
  ignore_me

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OP  3/25/12 5:54:45 PM#11
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by DannyGlover

Well if they lose too many subs, they may be forced to pull an NGE in reverse hehe. That would be interesting.

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/342309/page/1

 

I am a month ahead of you there Mr.

OH DAMN! how did I not see this thread?

good stuff

 

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  User Deleted
3/25/12 7:36:08 PM#12


Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by DannyGlover

Well if they lose too many subs, they may be forced to pull an NGE in reverse hehe. That would be interesting.



 
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/342309/page/1
 
I am a month ahead of you there Mr.

haha man I wonder if I posted in that thread. Sleep deprivation is messing with me right now heh

  Obraik

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3/26/12 3:29:48 AM#13

Maybe if LA hadn't shut down SWG in one of their knee-jerk reactions, they could have promoted those aspects of SWG to those that were looking for them in a Star Wars game and made just as much money...

  ignore_me

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OP  3/26/12 3:33:37 AM#14
Originally posted by Obraik

Maybe if LA hadn't shut down SWG in one of their knee-jerk reactions, they could have promoted those aspects of SWG to those that were looking for them in a Star Wars game and made just as much money...

Well I don't see the franchise heading into any other hands for an MMO any time soon, so for now I am wondering what Bioware will do. The conversation wheel has a couple of choices:

      1)  Stay the course and do it Their way. Repeat of previous content with higher levels etc.

      2)  learn from Sandbox successes and implement them

      3)  Hide behind technical excuses and pump it for dough til it dies.

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  Elikal

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3/26/12 4:50:52 AM#15
Originally posted by ignore_me
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by DannyGlover

Well if they lose too many subs, they may be forced to pull an NGE in reverse hehe. That would be interesting.

 

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/342309/page/1

 

I am a month ahead of you there Mr.

OH DAMN! how did I not see this thread?

good stuff

 

Hm, a reverse NGE... quite the irony indeedn. But something greatly needed.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Axehilt

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3/26/12 5:13:20 AM#16
Originally posted by ignore_me
Originally posted by Elikal

I suggested such features for over 2 years on their forum, and I explained in great length why these were needed. If they didn't add it, it is because they did not want it. Nothing tells me they are wiser now. Only when it is too late will they realize it. Maybe not even then.

On the contrary they will focus most likely on "more of the same", aka more Flashpoints, more Operations, more Warzones and more story-story-story.

Oh that's horrible. If they don't adapt they deserve nothing more than total and complete failure. You are probably right, I think they have an insulated perspective and would be afraid to leave their model.

At first I was like "Hilarious, a well-deserved sarcastic reply!"

...but then I was like "wait a sec, he's actually serious..."

Typical rabid customer: If the product isn't made exactly the way I want, the company deserves to experience total failure and burn down in a fire!

Meanwhile in reality, tons of players probably want exactly what ToR is providing.  If Bioware is "insulated", it's behind legions of players paying subscriptions and enjoying the game, who make it hard to hear a few disgruntled MMORPG players who were never interested in ToR in the first place.

And why would they switch?  Ironically chasing after the MMORPG grognard audience would be a SWG-caliber mistake (except it would make even less sense.)

  Obraik

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3/26/12 5:16:18 AM#17
Originally posted by ignore_me
Originally posted by Obraik

Maybe if LA hadn't shut down SWG in one of their knee-jerk reactions, they could have promoted those aspects of SWG to those that were looking for them in a Star Wars game and made just as much money...

Well I don't see the franchise heading into any other hands for an MMO any time soon, so for now I am wondering what Bioware will do. The conversation wheel has a couple of choices:

      1)  Stay the course and do it Their way. Repeat of previous content with higher levels etc.

      2)  learn from Sandbox successes and implement them

      3)  Hide behind technical excuses and pump it for dough til it dies.

You seem to be under the impression that Bioware has a choice in this.  Bioware is merely along for the ride that is LucasArts' crazy mission to get WoW like numbers in one of their MMO's.  Think of Bioware as the Trade Federation in Phantom Menace and LucasArts as Palpatine.  Like the Trade Federation in the movie was to Palpatine, Bioware is merely a pawn of LucasArts. 

I expect we'll see a crazy number 4 option ;)

  Elikal

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3/26/12 6:22:10 AM#18
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by ignore_me
Originally posted by Elikal

I suggested such features for over 2 years on their forum, and I explained in great length why these were needed. If they didn't add it, it is because they did not want it. Nothing tells me they are wiser now. Only when it is too late will they realize it. Maybe not even then.

On the contrary they will focus most likely on "more of the same", aka more Flashpoints, more Operations, more Warzones and more story-story-story.

Oh that's horrible. If they don't adapt they deserve nothing more than total and complete failure. You are probably right, I think they have an insulated perspective and would be afraid to leave their model.

At first I was like "Hilarious, a well-deserved sarcastic reply!"

...but then I was like "wait a sec, he's actually serious..."

Typical rabid customer: If the product isn't made exactly the way I want, the company deserves to experience total failure and burn down in a fire!

Meanwhile in reality, tons of players probably want exactly what ToR is providing.  If Bioware is "insulated", it's behind legions of players paying subscriptions and enjoying the game, who make it hard to hear a few disgruntled MMORPG players who were never interested in ToR in the first place.

And why would they switch?  Ironically chasing after the MMORPG grognard audience would be a SWG-caliber mistake (except it would make even less sense.)


Your honor, I call Axehilt from 2014 as my witness. *activates timemachine*

Axehilt (2014): "OMG, SWTOR now has like 5 servers left! Why didn't they change their game back then!?"

Thanks. Your honor, I rest my case.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  BrokenSpoon

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3/26/12 6:37:22 AM#19

Firstly they need to break away from EA, their bloody poison.. Secondly they need to do a FFXIV.. propose a 2.0 patch and start development to a new more snazzy SWG/EVE build.. Real space navigation/combat + the lot! 

All hail the Barn Owl! oh.. and the RED SQUIRREL!!!

  ignore_me

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OP  3/26/12 10:26:04 AM#20
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by ignore_me
Originally posted by Elikal

I suggested such features for over 2 years on their forum, and I explained in great length why these were needed. If they didn't add it, it is because they did not want it. Nothing tells me they are wiser now. Only when it is too late will they realize it. Maybe not even then.

On the contrary they will focus most likely on "more of the same", aka more Flashpoints, more Operations, more Warzones and more story-story-story.

Oh that's horrible. If they don't adapt they deserve nothing more than total and complete failure. You are probably right, I think they have an insulated perspective and would be afraid to leave their model.

At first I was like "Hilarious, a well-deserved sarcastic reply!"

...but then I was like "wait a sec, he's actually serious..."

Typical rabid customer: If the product isn't made exactly the way I want, the company deserves to experience total failure and burn down in a fire!

Meanwhile in reality, tons of players probably want exactly what ToR is providing.  If Bioware is "insulated", it's behind legions of players paying subscriptions and enjoying the game, who make it hard to hear a few disgruntled MMORPG players who were never interested in ToR in the first place.

And why would they switch?  Ironically chasing after the MMORPG grognard audience would be a SWG-caliber mistake (except it would make even less sense.)

It's possible that I am suffering a bit too much from my own perspective here, and there is some exaggeration at work as well. But I think there are just too many "this game lacks substance" testimonies out there (here, on the official forums, in the game, in my guild, reviews, etc.) for it to be purely of my imagination alone.

Those people who want exactly what the game is providing are getting just that, so bully for them. But the question is will the game provide more of the same, or will it evolve. If you add new things will they be akin to the SWG elements or not? An element of the community who pays subscriptions wants the former.  

As for the failure bit, that was an emotional outburst on my part and I have to admit it is not in alignment with reality given the number of still active subs, etc.

Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011

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