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  Ceridith

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The more you hype an upcoming game in your mind, the more it will fail to meet your expectations.

3/23/12 1:14:11 PM#21
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Anubisan
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Zekiah

What they've done to D3 is an absolute travesty, but I expect nothing less from EA.

Wait what? :P

• It's incomplete (missing PvP and who knows what else)

• The graphics look and feel like WoW/Torchlight

• It was desinged for consoles and kids

• They stripped ALL character customization out of Diablo except for gear

• Pretty much everything is handed to the player now at level-up

• The only drops left are gear and gems

It will play well with the WoW crowd though, no doubt about that. For me, a Diablo fan since the beginning, it's absolutely pathetic. PoE is more of a successor than D3 is.

Simply put, it's now WoWablo.

EA does not own Blizzard.

You're right, was thinking Activision. Same difference, same end result...crap.

Activision doesn't own Blizzard either, they merged.

That's not to say that Activision's corporate culture of greed hasn't bled into Blizzard though.

  Zekiah

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Hype (noun)
1. to trick; gull.
2. exaggerated publicity; hoopla.
3. swindle, deception, or trick.

3/23/12 1:20:34 PM#22
Originally posted by Ceridith
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Anubisan
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Zekiah

What they've done to D3 is an absolute travesty, but I expect nothing less from EA.

Wait what? :P

• It's incomplete (missing PvP and who knows what else)

• The graphics look and feel like WoW/Torchlight

• It was desinged for consoles and kids

• They stripped ALL character customization out of Diablo except for gear

• Pretty much everything is handed to the player now at level-up

• The only drops left are gear and gems

It will play well with the WoW crowd though, no doubt about that. For me, a Diablo fan since the beginning, it's absolutely pathetic. PoE is more of a successor than D3 is.

Simply put, it's now WoWablo.

EA does not own Blizzard.

You're right, was thinking Activision. Same difference, same end result...crap.

Activision doesn't own Blizzard either, they merged.

That's not to say that Activision's corporate culture of greed hasn't bled into Blizzard though.

Perhaps on paper but we all know the suits now run the show. The point is, Blizzard is no longer the Blizzard we came to know and love and regardless of what name is on the letterhead, they've been chewed up and spit out like many other gaming companies. Just the fact that they're releasing without PvP is a sad thing considering "we won't release until it's ready" used to be their mantra.

Now it's like the vast majority of gaming companies out there, "CASH IS KING, SCREW THE CUSTOMER".

"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky

  gestalt11

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Joined: 5/17/06
Posts: 6183

3/23/12 8:23:53 PM#23
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Anubisan
Originally posted by Zekiah
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Zekiah

What they've done to D3 is an absolute travesty, but I expect nothing less from EA.

Wait what? :P

• It's incomplete (missing PvP and who knows what else)

• The graphics look and feel like WoW/Torchlight

• It was desinged for consoles and kids

• They stripped ALL character customization out of Diablo except for gear

• Pretty much everything is handed to the player now at level-up

• The only drops left are gear and gems

It will play well with the WoW crowd though, no doubt about that. For me, a Diablo fan since the beginning, it's absolutely pathetic. PoE is more of a successor than D3 is.

Simply put, it's now WoWablo.

EA does not own Blizzard.

You're right, was thinking Activision. Same difference, same end result...crap.

Why play diablo 3 when you could play Titan Quest with the underlord mod?

I've always felt the far superior class customization of Titan Quest made it a superior game and underlord takes it a step further and makes the game harder.

  Tutu2

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Joined: 11/11/06
Posts: 557

3/24/12 12:02:15 AM#24

If you want to stop EA from turning everything they touch into steaming piles of poo, only truly effective way is voting with your wallet. I definately will be alot more leery of buying anymore Bioware games at this point. Dragon Age 2 was the start of it. I could not believe Bioware had actually created that. I forgave them because they had created so many games I had loved in the past and bought Mass Effect 3, since Mass Effect is one of my favourite franchises then this whole multiplayer crap buying stupid equipment boxes with real money, day 1 DLC that's a friggin' prothean and that horrendous ending... It's starting to leave a sour taste in my mouth. It's getting clear Bioware isn't the same beloved studio it used to be. It's depressing.

  DOGMA1138

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Joined: 8/25/11
Posts: 477

 
OP  3/25/12 12:05:18 AM#25
Originally posted by Tutu2

If you want to stop EA from turning everything they touch into steaming piles of poo, only truly effective way is voting with your wallet. I definately will be alot more leery of buying anymore Bioware games at this point. Dragon Age 2 was the start of it. I could not believe Bioware had actually created that. I forgave them because they had created so many games I had loved in the past and bought Mass Effect 3, since Mass Effect is one of my favourite franchises then this whole multiplayer crap buying stupid equipment boxes with real money, day 1 DLC that's a friggin' prothean and that horrendous ending... It's starting to leave a sour taste in my mouth. It's getting clear Bioware isn't the same beloved studio it used to be. It's depressing.

Voting with your wallet won't really help, EA makes more money on the Sims and madden in a year than Bioware probably made in its life time. Honestly until Mass Effect BW was pretty much a niche player, it made solid game for a very limited market and never had huge hits, they've sold well but with their genre they were very limited.
 
Mass Effect appealed almost just as much to the FPS player who likes Scifi to the people who liked BG, heck even more i think, i've liked BG2, and IW, and NWN but i unlike many of their "true" fans im not playing them until today, heck I've only tried NWN MP once of twice and only in the original story mode.
 
Unlike previous purchases EA made like Westwood, BF, or Maxis(btw EA didn't killed maxis, they bought it only for will wright and he is still there designed games SPORE was his, and the Sim City 3K remake is his too) they never paid so much and gotten such as huge company. Westwood was small, Maxis was small, BF was fucking tiny.
 
They've also never bought a company that holds as many IP's and as much fans as BW does. Westwood, Maxis, Bullfrog and others were small studios which were bought by a big company in every situation like that some people leave doesn't matter who buys you some people can't or don't want to cope with change in management. When 10-20 people leave or more from a studio which is 100 or less people like they were it much more drastic than some people leaving a 500+ studio like BW was when EA bought it.
 
Also i don't blame EA for the day one DLC, i have a strong feeling that was BW and BW alone they've wanted to capitalize on one of their IP's for a long time, BW introduced their BW points long before EA, and if ME1 had MP then most likely they would've had something similar there too.
 
EA's shoving of failed IP's and failed studios into BW on the other hand are something i really dislike and believe is much worse than day 1 dlc at the end. Mass Effect is an expensive game to make; the voice casting alone can probably cover the dev costs of Call of Duty Modern War of The future 56 if you exclude the marketing costs.
 
You got tons of famous actors and pretty much the top of the voice actors in the industry, and they not only need to compete with other games on the market they also can't charge more than them. I'm not saying that it's OK for Activision to charge 60US for COD, or for BW to charge 70US for Mass Effect but if they both want to have the same proffit margins Mass Effect needs to cost more, voice acting, real people for some of the models, engine license and other things make it more expensive. The costs in the end are much higher, it still doesn't make it OK for them to release day one DLC especially not like they've done it basically forced many people to pay 20US extra if they couldnt get it from the Origin store.
I would rather pay 70US for a complete game with no day one DLC than 70 for a game + DLC, it just feels like a spit in the face of their fans since they are the ones that being exploited the most. People who play mass effect for good action and cool story dont give a flying duck about a prothean, most of them dont realy know what they are, the people who do and care are the people who played the shit out of the game.
And the fact that the DLC sucks, its not even 20min long, you dont get any intersting story, Javik is a total dick and the most boring char ever(after the jersy shore dude) and totally not worth 20 extra bucks just makes things worse.
 
AHHH i'm MADDD MADDDDDDDDDD
 
  dronfwar

Novice Member

Joined: 10/14/11
Posts: 323

1+1=1
(IMO)

3/25/12 12:49:53 AM#26
Originally posted by DOGMA1138

Voting with your wallet won't really help
 

They will still make money without you and in ten years it will be normal to pay $100 + $100 DLCs

atleast then you are not the guy who was

trolled by Bioware

  User Deleted
3/25/12 12:56:07 AM#27

EA should just stick to sports games because the majority of non sports games for them has been almost a complete disappointment.

  DOGMA1138

Novice Member

Joined: 8/25/11
Posts: 477

 
OP  3/25/12 1:37:13 AM#28
Originally posted by Mephster

EA should just stick to sports games because the majority of non sports games for them has been almost a complete disappointment.

EA published tons of games which were far from dissapointment, its like saying that Activision only publishes Call of Duty.

If EA goes out of the picture it will be much worse than what it is today since you are taking a huge player out of the market, no EA no money ;<

  DJJazzy

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Joined: 5/18/11
Posts: 2074

3/25/12 1:49:35 AM#29

Activision is a bit different since they merged with Blizzard.

EA bought out BioWare.

There is a difference.

  DOGMA1138

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Joined: 8/25/11
Posts: 477

 
OP  3/25/12 4:00:32 AM#30
Originally posted by DJJazzy

Activision is a bit different since they merged with Blizzard.

EA bought out BioWare.

There is a difference.

Activision if any thing is worse EA atleast green lights some really risky projects once in a bluemoon, activision on the other hand basically rehashes Call of Duty every year and cashes in on the dividends from Blizzard.

AM Alice, Dante's Inferno, Dead Space, Mirrors Edge, Shank, Overstrike, heck even trying to revive Hellgate London...

But they really need to stop merging every thing into Bioware i mean WTF would they merge danger close into Bioware if they have Respawn(IW 2.0) as an internal team now... The only thing i can think off that Danger Close/Victory Games could do for BW is the MP for Mass Effect 3 but they've only merged like 3 months ago so who the duck knows...

 

  Pratt2112

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3/25/12 8:31:36 AM#31
Originally posted by Unlight
Originally posted by Bunks

This is EA vision of the future for games.

 

http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/flight-control-rocket-is-everything-bad-about-pay-to-win-schemes

That's Diabolical and impressive ... kind of like how the devestation left behind after a hurricane is impressive.

Just read that article myself and it really brings the issue that many have with Cash Shops and the overall idea of games monetizing their players into sharp focus. I do find it funny that after all that ranting about the game, they have a "Buy It Now" link at the top of the article. If they get a kickback from its sales, that makes the article not only funnier, but also incredibly hypocritical.

In most cases, particularly in MMORPGs, it's far more subtle and the designers/developers tend to fly a bit more under the radar. They're doing the same thing, they're just sneakier at it. They take more care to obfuscate what they're actually doing, while using their PR to spin it as something else. You really have to look beneat the surface, connect the dots and read between the lines to see what's really going on. I think that's why so many MMO devs can pull it off and even get people defending what they do, because on the surface it all seems so innocuous. 

Others, like the makers of this Flight Control game (with EA involved, go figure) pretty much take that same system and exploit it to the extreme. This could be a wonderful wake-up call for people who perhaps don't really understand why so many of us do not and never will accept Cash Shops or the micro-monetization of players as being "okay". While we as gamers are looking for good, solid and fun games to immerse ourselves in, developers and publishers are devising ways to milk us for all they can. It's sickening.

  SlyGamer79

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3/26/12 12:41:07 PM#32

I just find all of this very disappointing in the end and i'm not sure about EA/BW and other companies that i've bought games from anymore. i have DAO,DA2,ME2,ME3 maybe these companies should go back to the drawing board i mean for example a RPG game most people think old school ya know the good guy slays the villian and saves the princess but instead now it seems like the villian slays the hero and rapes the princess. same deal you play a guy who's whole story is to save the universe from this ultimate evil and all and playing through three games to the finale and BAM! you get kicked in the balls and laughed at as YOU FAILED and the fanbase erupt's with rage as they see all of they're hard work with choices and time spent flushed down the toilet.

 

(my grammer and all may not be that great but you get the point lol)

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  ForTheCity

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3/26/12 7:44:14 PM#33

Let's just say that it sucks for Bioware but they are owned by EA and theres nothing they can do about it. EA is the top dog and they have to listen to them. I don't believe this is good for its investors either. Although they have been selling games, it doesn't mean they will in the long run. If they continue along this trend they won't be making games for much longer. People haven't been overly impressed with ME3 and SWTOR. If they continue to develop games like such they won't have investors in the end. 

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