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3/23/12 2:15:43 PM#141
Originally posted by Thorbrand No worries - forum is for gathering info also :)
Not sure on Salem , I think I just heard that somewhere. But don't hold me one that.
TSW is P2P WITH Cash shop that's confirmed. |
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Originally posted by InFaVilla Agree 100% with these points. And when I grew up there wasn't even an internet to get all the answers from either! Thinking, skill, and effort are fast going by the wayside. Now it is pay for the best stuff, pay to get to max level quicker, google a puzzle answer, google theoretical builds, etc. I still have hope for the future though, I think many humans have an instinct about fair play and it isn't just a generational thing... GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind" |
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Originally posted by cinos Well, if you actually read the first post you would know GW2 has a pay2win cash shop by MY definition. I was asking for games without the pay2win cash shop by MY definition not your definition. GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind" |
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3/23/12 2:19:21 PM#144
Winning is subjected. My belief is if in PVP you have no statical bonus but just look better that is fine. PVE is the part game I will play with my guild who are all friends and family members so if others buy exp/karma boost I am totally ok with it as it won't affect me or my friends. So I don't think it is p2w
Someone feels paying money to have the same armor that might be awarding for owning in PVP. That is perfectly fine. Someone wants everyone to always have the same amount of exp gain at all times. That is their opinion and view of p2w. Could go on forever with examples.
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3/23/12 2:24:03 PM#145
After reading a couple of OPs replys, i can conclude that he assumes that GW2 will have some CS items that give the PvP or W v W advantages, which is not a case. WHOLE ITEM SHOP remained separated from any form of PvP. Wearing "i pwn you" hat is PvP advantage huh? Havent seen those. Considering W v W, i find some articles of how can Gold impact the courses of battles. The thing is, that prices for influences/boosts/upgrades will be that trivial, so that literally everyone who plays W v W can pay gold for them. Now, the supplies will be main currency that will have point in winning W v W, yet I didnt saw anything that boost them in CS. I will find link as soon as i can to back this up
Now on topic: you can still wait on TSW, yet i wouldnt hold my breath for that one if i were you... Main MMO at the moment: Guild Wars 2 |
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3/23/12 2:25:16 PM#146
Originally posted by fenistil http://wiki.aodb.us/wiki/Funcom_Points last time i checked AO ,situation was "enough isnt enough for me" pretty much everything is for sale. TSW will have Funcom points ,but maybe they learned their lesson or maybe not.
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3/23/12 2:27:09 PM#147
I have said it before...it would be so much easier just to go subscription than to go through this crap!! Months ago it was no subscription, I told all my friends that! Now Anet reinvented b2p. I'm a huge fan but just feel let down. Yes I can go without buying gems but now its a major part of the non-subscription game play I will more than likely have to to keep up. Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not. |
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3/23/12 2:32:45 PM#148
Originally posted by Amjoco It all depends on point of your views as subscription. You still have the option to buy a sub-time worthy of gems, if you desire so, but you and the rest need to remember one thing: You are in no way limited to any part of the game content without paying/buying gems. While in sub-based MMORPG you are prohibited from 100% of content if you dont spend that 15$ or whatever the sub price is (or the large part of content in case of F2Pones). Main MMO at the moment: Guild Wars 2 |
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3/23/12 2:39:34 PM#149
Here is how a friend made me think about this B2P thing wsith GW2. There is no subscription fee. So, that 15 bucks a month that would be spent on game? For a month or two, stick it in the cash shop of gw2, and sell your gems. that'll put you on pretty even ground with everyone else's wallet. Then, after you have a nice pile of cash, ignore the cash shop and just play the game. If you want some cosmetics after that, then toss a few bucks to get what you want. It's STILL cheaper in the long run than paying for a subscription, and you STILL decide WHAT and WHEN you spend your money on. Hope thaty helps. TL:DR Treat it like a subscription game(which you are looking for anyway OP) and you'll never be at a disadvantage The Deep Web is sca-ry. |
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Originally posted by Toxia Thats a very pragmatic view and I respect it, but a couple issues with that: 1) I'd be pretending a bit and compromising my PVP principles. Yes, I have PVP principles! 2) We don't know the ongoing "non-grindy" gold aquisition rate versus the typical gold-bleeding rate. If the natural gold-bleeding rate is higher than the natural gold-aquisition rate, it will be a long-term advantage to keep paying2win not just the first 2 months. And I'm talking about the confirmed advantages for instance you can get in RvRvR (which to me was the main draw of the game was RvRvR). This is all just too unclear for me to reward them with a box purchase. 3) Anet is already near the bottom of the slippery slope on pay2win and who says they won't go further down the pay2win path after the initial box sales are done. I don't want to reward them with my money for a game philosophy I disagree with... GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind" |
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3/23/12 2:51:17 PM#151
Originally posted by ForumPvP They've stated that they are happy with AO and AoC and their microtransactions so I doubt it. They will start relatively light but will expand constantly CS in TSW that's for sure. |
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3/23/12 2:56:55 PM#152
Originally posted by dzoni87 Well no matter what, Anet left a bitter taste in my mouth. I was hyped like everyone else that this was going to be b2p and they let us down. They can call it whatever they want, but it is not that anymore! :( Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not. |
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3/23/12 3:01:12 PM#153
Originally posted by gainesvilleg Stopped reading this thread right here. I don't need to wade through more ignorance on MMORPG and even more people trying to explain things to the ignorant, kthxbai. You don't know what you're talking about. no GW2 won't kill WoW, but it's time to move on and quit worrying about those people still playing it. - eyelolled |
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3/23/12 3:02:16 PM#154
Originally posted by Amjoco You buy the complete game with a one time purchase. A cash shop doesn't change that. |
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3/23/12 3:06:09 PM#155
Short answer I don't know however if you feel the GW2 cash shop has a P2W connotation then I would guess that rules out Terra as well as it seems to have a similar setup. Not much has been released to the general public about TSW's cash shop so it's really hard to say then again your paying a sub on top of that so you would hope that all it is is cosmetic dunno is this the answer your looking for. Archage well it doesn't have a western publisher/localiser yet so again hard to say evan if it makes it to the western market it will take a while to get here.
I guess all we can really do is wait and see. For all we know the GW2 cash shop will work the way the optimists believe or it could work the way the pessimists believe most likely it will be somewhere in the middle and won't change anyones mind. While we have a leaked list of things there is still an awful lot we don't know which makes it hard to jdge the impact (for instance we don't know how much real cash gems are going to cost and we don't know what kind of gold sinks are in place or how much gold anything is really going to cost). Something tells me though cash shops are going to be around for a while and they will be in every type of payment method and it's up to the individual as to what they think is acceptable and what isn't. The lesser of two evils is still evil. |
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Originally posted by Eir_S I guess thats where you started reading too. If you had read the sentences before that you would know my definition of pay2win, and if you disagreed you would have stopped reading then LOL. Thanks for joining the "troll alert" and "you are an idiot" responses some of the die hard defenders of GW2 have posted. I do appreciate the many posters though who actually understand what I'm saying and provided honest and civil responses... GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind" |
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3/23/12 3:07:55 PM#157
Originally posted by gainesvilleg
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3/23/12 3:17:19 PM#158
Originally posted by DJJazzy ^ This ^ If you have a bitter taste after seing this Amjoco, than im sorry that you feel like that, but its still your opinion and your desicion and i respect that. You will be missing a lot like the many more. For once, i dont mind to pay even a bit of money for each couple of months (even this dont have to be true), instead of around 15$ for every month, yet still i got all of game's content all the time for Box price. Main MMO at the moment: Guild Wars 2 |
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3/23/12 3:22:02 PM#159
All kind of cash shops that sells digital itens are very bad for the genre and should be avoided by players. If u cant see the truth just ask urself:
" Why do we need a cash shop'? simply put, we didnt.
Now think for a moment in games that dont have cash shops..... sounds good right |
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