It should be pretty apparent by now that SWTOR aka WOWTOR is not doing as well as Bioware or their fans had hoped. The game is already being discounted by $10 on origin, they are already offering multiple free weekends for the game, and one of the most replied to posts on the official forums is titled "Server population is dropping...". Yes it looks like it is the beginning of the end for this game.

When a company spends $200 million on a new game and instead of growth, the total population starts to decline (or stabilizies) as individual server populations drop noticeably, its an obvious sign that customers are not satisfied. The game also has a small number of subscribers relative to the total number of potential customers, compared to WoW 7 years ago which had an equal or possibly greater number of subscribers the same length of time after its' release, back when MMO's  were not as mainstream as today.

This should speak volumes that gamers are not looking for games that are "similar to WoW" anymore and do not want games that fit the bill of a linear theme park. If WOWTOR monumentally collapses or does not experience great success (profit), I would expect more developers, if they haven't already, will begin to distance themselves from SWTOR/WOW as they realize now that advertising a game as a WoW clone should not be considered a selling point to get people interested in their MMO anymore.

I for one will not be playing another MMO until it is very innovative and different than a MMO I have played in the past, in particular, WoW. Developers should stop worrying about making a viable competitor in the MMO market that is nearly identical to WoW in order to appeal to that playerbase. Instead they really should be making it completely unlike WoW in order to compete with Titan, which I guarantee will probably be vastly different than WoW.

I suspect SWTOR will probably be the last wow clone we will see. Overall I think this is very good news for the genre, even at the expense of a game that had such a massive budget for a company eyeing major success.

RIP SWTOR "Tortanic"

This thread will be the death of "SWTOR will be the death of WoW clones" clone threads.

we can only hope........that style of MMORPG is dead and is dated......

Yep...10 million+ at WoW and 1.7 million at SWTOR...it will go down in flames.  o.O

We can only hope. The only WoW clone that should prosper is WOW.

edit- that was a wish, not a prediction :)

It took WoW over a year to get to 1 million subscribers

But the strong point of WoW is that not many subscribers cancelled in those early days.

I doubt it. WoW will still generate cash and other developpers will say to themselves "we will just make it less buggy than SWTOR was and we'll be fine."

People tend to forget failures over time it seems and they do not learn their lessons in this industry.

Originally posted by sekira

It should be pretty apparent by now that SWTOR aka WOWTOR is not doing as well as Bioware or their fans had hoped. The game is already being discounted by $10 on origin, they are already offering multiple free weekends for the game, and one of the most replied to posts on the official forums is titled "Server population is dropping...". Yes it looks like it is the beginning of the end for this game.

 

When a company spends $200 million on a new game and instead of growth, the total population starts to decline (or stabilizies) as individual server populations drop noticeably, its an obvious sign that customers are not satisfied. The game also has a small number of subscribers relative to the total number of potential customers, compared to WoW 7 years ago which had an equal or possibly greater number of subscribers the same length of time after its' release, back when MMO's  were not as mainstream as today.

 

This should speak volumes that gamers are not looking for games that are "similar to WoW" anymore and do not wants games that fit the bill of a linear theme park. If WOWTOR monumentally collapses or does not experience great success (profit), I would expect more developers, if they haven't already, will begin to distance themselves from SWTOR/WOW as they realize now that advertising a game as a WoW clone should not be considered a selling point to get people interested in their MMO anymore.

 

I for one will not be playing another MMO until it is very innovative and different than a MMO I have played in the past, in particular, WoW. Developers should stop worrying about making a viable competitor in the MMO market that is nearly identical to WoW in order to appeal to that playerbase. Instead they really should be making it completely unlike WoW in order to compete with Titan, which I guarantee will probably be vastly different than WoW.

 

I suspect SWTOR will probably be the last wow clone we will see. Overall I think this is very good news for the genre, even at the expense of a game that had such a massive budge for a company eyeing major success.

 

 

RIP SWTOR "Tortanic"

1.7 mill of subs and is dying, Interesting. Lot of poeple is just waiting for the 1.2 update, even to play or level alts, is just better to wait till the next update, is even pointless to grind for the battlemaster gear, champion etc. SWTOR is an huge success, 4 months after launch and they still have 1.7 mill of subs and like it or not, the population will grow after the 1.2 update. Im sorry but you are just wrong. 

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

It took WoW over a year to get to 1 million subscribers

But the strong point of WoW is that not many subscribers cancelled in those early days.

Exactly. Lord Bachus nailed it.

It's obvious the OP didn't play WoW at launch, and has no idea what MMOs were like before his first MMO: WOW BC.

MMO gamers werent as fickle and overly dramatic as they are now. 

The original OP's "fact" on WoW subs at launch are completely false and discredits his entire post. Safe to assume this is a troll post, the title alone says it all.

Lets not forget rift. In many ways the antithesis of TOR. Polished, devs engagaed with the community, reponsive etc. But it does share much with WOW (and TOR). Taken together one has to hope that developers are thinking hmmm that cow is milked dry.

Originally posted by sekira

It should be pretty apparent by now that SWTOR aka WOWTOR is not doing as well as Bioware or their fans had hoped. The game is already being discounted by $10 on origin, they are already offering multiple free weekends for the game, and one of the most replied to posts on the official forums is titled "Server population is dropping...". Yes it looks like it is the beginning of the end for this game.

 

When a company spends $200 million on a new game and instead of growth, the total population starts to decline (or stabilizies) as individual server populations drop noticeably, its an obvious sign that customers are not satisfied. The game also has a small number of subscribers relative to the total number of potential customers, compared to WoW 7 years ago which had an equal or possibly greater number of subscribers the same length of time after its' release, back when MMO's  were not as mainstream as today.

 

This should speak volumes that gamers are not looking for games that are "similar to WoW" anymore and do not wants games that fit the bill of a linear theme park. If WOWTOR monumentally collapses or does not experience great success (profit), I would expect more developers, if they haven't already, will begin to distance themselves from SWTOR/WOW as they realize now that advertising a game as a WoW clone should not be considered a selling point to get people interested in their MMO anymore.

 

I for one will not be playing another MMO until it is very innovative and different than a MMO I have played in the past, in particular, WoW. Developers should stop worrying about making a viable competitor in the MMO market that is nearly identical to WoW in order to appeal to that playerbase. Instead they really should be making it completely unlike WoW in order to compete with Titan, which I guarantee will probably be vastly different than WoW.

 

I suspect SWTOR will probably be the last wow clone we will see. Overall I think this is very good news for the genre, even at the expense of a game that had such a massive budge for a company eyeing major success.

 

 

RIP SWTOR "Tortanic"

I have been playing on West coast server, and I get warzone going by 7 am EST and west coast is behind 3 hours so their timing is 4 AM. After this PVP ques are consistent throughout the day until well over a good part of the morning, meaning after 12AM EST.

That is simply marketing.

That thread means very little, we see those kinds of threads here too.

This is your opinion, as I feel differently, I think the game is doing decent at the time.

Lets hope this thread is the death of WoW clones threads because it proves you know little to nothing about mmo's. WoW was a CRAPPPYYYYYYYYYYYYYY EQ clone when it launched and was buggy as all hell. It took them close to a year to make the game playable.

Now they hand you three patches a years and then tell you to pay $60 for more content they owe you for free. People are such sheep. TOR could be the shittiest WoW clone ever, but it is not run by Blizzard and get partial support from me for that fact alone.

Someone needs to come along and put you WoW fans in check. Obviously TOR and Rift gutting 2million of your fans was not enough.

Afaik its the second biggest mmorpg success next to wow. And everyone know there is not a game in the world that has the chance to get bigger than wow. That is just impossible.

If their goal was to be bigger than wow, well its just dumb and unrealistic. And should nevertheless not be considered an failure just because of unrealistic goals. But I'm pretty sure they did not expect that.

WoW clones are NOT going to die until gamers stop paying for them.

They design these games for quick box sales people, anything else is just gravy.

Originally posted by Nevulus

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

It took WoW over a year to get to 1 million subscribers

But the strong point of WoW is that not many subscribers cancelled in those early days.

Exactly. Lord Bachus nailed it.

It's obvious the OP didn't play WoW at launch, and has no idea what MMOs were like before his first MMO: WOW BC.

MMO gamers werent as fickle and overly dramatic as they are now. 

 

The original OP's "fact" on WoW subs at launch are completely false and discredits his entire post. Safe to assume this is a troll post, the title alone says it all.

 It's also clear that neither you or Lord Bachus has no clue how big WoW was in launch. Here eat this.

http://www.pvcmuseum.com/games/charts/world-of-warcraft-sales.htm

SWTOR didn't fail because it was a linear themepark.  It failed because it brought absolutely nothing new to the actual gameplay except for a frankenstein approach to class design.  Unfortunately, I had no real desire to play a simplified discipline priest/restoration druid hybrid.  The only really valid debate one can have about SWTOR's gameplay is if it's actually more like Warhammer or World of Warcraft.  

I'm not trying to defend the decision of making the game a linear themepark, but people would have happily forgiven that aspect of the game if the rest of it was more innovative and fun.

Originally posted by Everket

Afaik its the second biggest mmorpg success next to wow. And everyone know there is not a game in the world that has the chance to get bigger than wow. That is just impossible.

 

If their goal was to be bigger than wow, well its just dumb and unrealistic. And should nevertheless not be considered an failure just because of unrealistic goals. But I'm pretty sure they did not expect that.

 I think it is more so considered failing due to it's drastically depleting subscription numbers, also no SW:TOR is the third biggest MMO I believe, Aion is still much bigger.

Doubtful only because someone will always believe and convince investors that they can do it better.  So long as a game like SWTOR can pay back investors new investors will line up to fund the next game.