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  sadeyx

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3/22/12 11:16:50 AM#41
Originally posted by stragen001

COMPLETELY biased review.


 

Of course,  but you wouldnt send a fat person to review mountain climbing would you?   You wouldnt ask someone with low intelligence or a low attention span to review chess!   You wouldnt ask a child his opinion on economics.

Of course Eve isnt going to apeal to people who "dont get it"  people who "cant get it"

Its no good sending someone like me.. who has been a gamer all his life to review WoW, because no matter how much I play wow I'm always going to hate the graphics.

Having someone review Eve who has already decided that he hate sci-fi and space ships is even more stupid than having someone who does already enjoy sci fi

  Demogorgon

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3/22/12 11:20:43 AM#42

I think its a pretty down to earth one and its better by a long shot than your "lol".

Now seriously, i'm not here to argue with the EVE fans.  I said what I had to say,  I'll move on.

  BadSpock

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3/22/12 11:21:35 AM#43
Originally posted by sadeyx
Originally posted by stragen001

COMPLETELY biased review.

 

Of course,  but you wouldnt send a fat person to review mountain climbing would you?   You wouldnt ask someone with low intelligence or a low attention span to review chess!   You wouldnt ask a child his opinion on economics.

Of course Eve isnt going to apeal to people who "dont get it"  people who "cant get it"

Its no good sending someone like me.. who has been a gamer all his life to review WoW, because no matter how much I play wow I'm always going to hate the graphics.

Having someone review Eve who has already decided that he hate sci-fi and space ships is even more stupid than having someone who does already enjoy sci fi

Doesn't mean that it's still unbiased.

You don't send a pro mountain climber to review mounting climbing either unless you are reviewing the mountain climbing experience for pro mountain climbers.

You wouldn't ask a pro chess players to review chess unless you were reviewing chess for pro chess players.

It's all about audience.

Since the audience on this website is very diverse, yes - this "review" should have been called an op-ed not a review unless they plan to also re-review from the opposite side of the fence.

If you read a review of EvE Online that CCP published, would you say it wasn't biased?

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  Elsabolts

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3/22/12 11:22:46 AM#44
Originally posted by sadeyx
Originally posted by stragen001

COMPLETELY biased review.


 

Of course,  but you wouldnt send a fat person to review mountain climbing would you?   You wouldnt ask someone with low intelligence or a low attention span to review chess!   You wouldnt ask a child his opinion on economics.

Of course Eve isnt going to apeal to people who "dont get it"  people who "cant get it"

Its no good sending someone like me.. who has been a gamer all his life to review WoW, because no matter how much I play wow I'm always going to hate the graphics.

Having someone review Eve who has already decided that he hate sci-fi and space ships is even more stupid than having someone who does already enjoy sci fi

I and others do agree on one thing and that until they do something about sucide ganking in 0.9 I will not be back or put in a PVE server. I could live with an on or off pvp option on current server.

  dave6660

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3/22/12 11:28:51 AM#45
Originally posted by Demogorgon
Originally posted by elocke

I want to see a re-review of this game by someone who isn't such a "fan".  Someone new maybe or someone who has shown unbias in all thier reviews toward the games they play.


Personally...I'm tired of hearing about Eve.  I get it, it's awesome for those hardcore PVP sandboxers who like getting away with crimes in a virtual world that would have many on death row in real life.   Maybe if the game played like a game instead of wasting my time literally and making me click to move or filter through a menu system to fight/move THEN I might be a bit more forgiving.  


Although, don't get me wrong, I like the setting and atmosphere, just wish it was more accessible? I guess.  Maybe I'm just a huge PVE fan and this game doesn't tickle that part of the gamer in me.   What little PVE it has is mired in tedium and literally waiting for a skill to be learned.  That's just boring to me.  Would rather have an active skill system that I learn as I use.  Not how much time has passed.

This  x1000

The day a decent space base MMORPG that doesn't focus on pvp comes out, EVE is going to experience a quick death.  Most of its player base ( not subs ) is in empire. It should tell you something.

The older this game is, the more imbalance it becomes. But fear not vets, you still have many years to enjoy playing your shiny toy on multiple accounts, for free, on the back of aspiring noobs with delusion of grandeur eager to get to the top because they've been sweet talked into believing that they could somehow magicaly compete with old power house backed by  fortunes in the hundreds of billions +.

Oh, I can already hear the classic rebutal: But you can specialize and be competetive in your ( small insignificant narrow ) role in a FEW MONTHS. Like thats any fun! And for the rest of the game... Well, you'll have to patiently suck it up for YEARS.

Such a good game design. /rolleyes

Stop believing your own propaganda.

By your rationale anyone who joins Eve after release is destined to lose.  Yet somehow most of the players are doing perfectly fine.  I started playing a full 6 years after release and I became a pretty good PvPer and retired with over 1,600 kills and a few billion ISK in my wallet.  Your rhetoric simply doesn't square with reality.

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  sadeyx

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3/22/12 11:38:30 AM#46
Originally posted by Demogorgon

I think its a pretty down to earth one and its better by a long shot than your "lol".

Now seriously, i'm not here to argue with the EVE fans.  I said what I had to say,  I'll move on.

 

Goodness a real live mature person, on the internet! :) well said sir o7

I agree, Im not a massive fan boy of Eve, It took me a very very long time to finally grasp the game and get my head around it. And even then, I only play it off an on. Not because of its flaws, but, well.. because I love many games. I love a good hack n slash, and good rpg and all sorts. any game which is well thought out and clever.

Ive played Eve off and on now for 7 years... and I still have probably only done about 50% of it. I just cant stand people who try it for a mere few months and think that they know anything at all about it. They dont, they physically cant! And actually I like the way Eve filters out these short sighted players.

  shakermaker0

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3/22/12 11:42:22 AM#47
I do this every time I review a game: not a fan boy/boi, just reviewing the game on its merits of what it is trying to achieve. It isn't trying to be solo-friendly, PvE centric or anything else that "turns" you off. Its genre criticism, and I subscribe to it. Sorry if it doesn't fit to your score, but you are more than allowed to post your own views and opinions, just stop trashing everyone else's.
  sadeyx

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3/22/12 11:42:41 AM#48
Originally posted by Elsabolts

I and others do agree on one thing and that until they do something about sucide ganking in 0.9 I will not be back or put in a PVE server. I could live with an on or off pvp option on current server.

 

I understand your feelings on this, Ive been ganked before too, and I am a carebear (for the most part)  But you have to remember that Eve is a sci-fi simulator,  so probably more people would agree that a 100% safe area is a bad idea, nowhere in eve is safe... and that simulates reality very well.

  VultureSkull

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3/22/12 11:56:13 AM#49

Eve is life.

  indiramourn

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3/22/12 12:01:12 PM#50
Originally posted by Samhael

Well, at least the review at NO point even pretended to be impartial. I stopped wasting my time after I finished the second paragraph. 

Same.  No game deserves a 10/10.  And a 9/10 should be an extremely rare rating.  I give the credibility of this re-review a 2/10.

  Konfess

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3/22/12 12:05:21 PM#51

Originally posted by tordurbar

You forgot to mention one critical point - EVE is pvp-centric. More specifically you can be attacked by other players anywhere. For an admitted care bear like me that is a game breaker. Yes, I do think that Eve deserves this score - it is a fantastic game. I enjoyed it for over 45 days. But after being ganked in 0.9 space twice I gave up. Yup I could not cut it. On to the next mmo.





 


The thing that non-consensual PvP need to survive, is unknowing care-bears like you.  Open World PvP is NOT about equally matched willing participants.  Its all about forcing unwilling and unprepared players to experience the durres of non-consensual PvP.  The only problem with this group of players has with battlegrounds is the preparedness and willingness of their opponents.


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  sadeyx

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3/22/12 12:27:50 PM#52
Originally posted by indiramourn
Originally posted by Samhael

Well, at least the review at NO point even pretended to be impartial. I stopped wasting my time after I finished the second paragraph. 

Same.  No game deserves a 10/10.  And a 9/10 should be an extremely rare rating.  I give the credibility of this re-review a 2/10.

but it IS a rare rating.

and there IS no other game that comes anywhere close to Eve.  Technically, even if you dont like the game at all.

The Engine, the graphics, the server technology is all completly bespoke, original with nothing like it available.

when mmo's go this big, the split up into several servers... but eve is one server.  That alone warrants a special clasification of its own.

  stealthbr

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3/22/12 12:45:46 PM#53
My take on EVE? It's a game that presents the player with a myriad of things to do, but the process of actually doing those things is quite mundane. The act of travelling, fighting, mining, training skills, completing missions, etc. is all very anti-climatic, to say the least.
  stragen001

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3/22/12 12:54:15 PM#54

Originally posted by indiramourn


Originally posted by Samhael


Well, at least the review at NO point even pretended to be impartial. I stopped wasting my time after I finished the second paragraph. 



Same.  No game deserves a 10/10.  And a 9/10 should be an extremely rare rating.  I give the credibility of this re-review a 2/10.



 


I think you may have hit on something here. Every time MMORPG.com does a review, we, the users, their customers, should give the review a credibility score. They may eventually get the message that we prefer unbiased, un paid for, critical reviews over the promo peices they currently do.


My credibility score for this review is 2/10 also


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  BigHatLogan

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3/22/12 1:52:54 PM#55

Originally posted by stealthbr

My take on EVE? It's a game that presents the player with a myriad of things to do, but the process of actually doing those things is quite mundane. The act of travelling, fighting, mining, training skills, completing missions, etc. is all very anti-climatic, to say the least.

 


I'd have to disagree with you there.  Unless you are talking about mining in 1.0 space or running missions or something.   While the flight controls may seem clunky at first, there are very complex.  You need to take into account radial velocity, angular velocity, ship size, turret tracking, plus any sort of offensive or defensive modules that a ship has equipped.  You can't think of it as a flight simulator, you need to think of it as a naval simulator.  EVE does risk v. reward ffa pvp very well.   When you fight someone in EVE you put it all on the line.  If you lose, your ship is gone, and modules looted by the enemy or outright destroyed.  Sometimes that might mean weeks worth of work down the drain.  Of course, what is the point of making isk if you aren't going to use it to have powerful ships for pvp?  EVE is the only game I have played since the days of MUDS where I get "the shakes".  "The shakes" is something that happens to some players in PVP in EVE.  It's an adrenhaline rush that comes from the risk.  "The shakes" might come to non pvp players when they are trying to smuggle goods in or out of nullsec ect and they get attacked.  Luckily, EVE makes catching an unwilling target pretty difficult if the player being hunted is careful.  No other game out there right now that i know of offers the adrenhaline rush mechanic. 


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  Allerum

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3/22/12 2:23:52 PM#56

PVP is pretty optional in high sec. I have been in high sec for a while and never been hit by a Pirate, the region gaurdians instapop those who try.

If you want the pvp you go to null sec or low sec. High sec is pretty safe so if your getting ganked move to a new high sec. Its about options. Nothing is preset if you don't like your situation move to a new area of space ther are level 1 agents everywhere.

People who complain about the PVP can do something about it by moving. Space is big theres no reason to stay in a hot zone if you don't want to.

Missions involve activly using skills that you have learned, if you don't have skills you can use its your fault. This is the issue most people have is that it does not hold your hand. They have Incursions now which are like boss fights with inteligent A.I. If you want PvE its around and available.

  desiriel

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3/22/12 3:13:01 PM#57

 


Stopped playing EvE for time availability reasons and a little burnout at it but... man.


EvE is still the only MMORPG worthy of subscription and hours of gaming in this world. It's not for everyone and this review was a bit biased on the positive but EvE is the "must-have" model in the genre (theme-park or sandbox).


Lazy developers, quick-cash-grab corporate suits, unimaginative designers and EA/SOE please take note.


  User Deleted
3/22/12 3:19:50 PM#58

Claiming that EVE is about PVP is a short sighted statement.


  BadSpock

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3/22/12 3:23:57 PM#59
Originally posted by stragen001
Originally posted by indiramourn
Originally posted by Samhael

Well, at least the review at NO point even pretended to be impartial. I stopped wasting my time after I finished the second paragraph.

Same.  No game deserves a 10/10.  And a 9/10 should be an extremely rare rating.  I give the credibility of this re-review a 2/10.

I think you may have hit on something here. Every time MMORPG.com does a review, we, the users, their customers, should give the review a credibility score. They may eventually get the message that we prefer unbiased, un paid for, critical reviews over the promo peices they currently do.

My credibility score for this review is 2/10 also

Well, think about this though -

In order to give a MMO a truly "fair" review you have to play it for a long time.

If you have to play it for a long time, you are going to become fairly biased one way or the other.

So how do you do an impartial review of something you spend literally months invested into?

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  haplo602

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3/22/12 4:17:40 PM#60

Originally posted by Vidir

I would have played this game if it did not force you to pvp.



 


Surprisingly, it does not. I spent a few years in EVE and only PvPed when I chose to.


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