Originally posted by Soki123

OMG who the fuck cares. It s a game, it s not giving an advantage, and even if it did are you going to keel over and die . I m so sick of the whiny peopel that todays society has sprouted.

and I'm tired of people who are willing to bend over and take whatever is coming their way.

Originally posted by Magnum2103

Originally posted by Soki123

OMG who the fuck cares. It s a game, it s not giving an advantage, and even if it did are you going to keel over and die . I m so sick of the whiny peopel that todays society has sprouted.

You do see the hypocrisy in this?

Maybe you re right, I m just so sick of people making something out of nothing. It s petty and annoying.

Originally posted by Soki123

 

Maybe you re right, I m just so sick of people making something out of nothing. It s petty and annoying.

What you don't seem to understand is A-net wants to see the reaction to their wording, that's the whole point behind statements like this.

Originally posted by dudeduder45

Originally posted by Soki123

OMG who the fuck cares. It s a game, it s not giving an advantage, and even if it did are you going to keel over and die . I m so sick of the whiny peopel that todays society has sprouted.

and I'm tired of people who are willing to bend over and take whatever is coming their way.

Read the information better, theres nothing wrong with what they re doing. You re making it sound like it s life and death. It s a game for gods sake, relax.

Originally posted by Magnum2103

Originally posted by Soki123

OMG who the fuck cares. It s a game, it s not giving an advantage, and even if it did are you going to keel over and die . I m so sick of the whiny peopel that todays society has sprouted.

You do see the hypocrisy in this?

Originally posted by Fozzik

 

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Originally posted by terrant

 

I think you're devaluing cosmetic items. Games like League of Legends prove that players will spend a decent amount of money to reskin their toon and make it stand out.
 
As to convenience items...I keep hearing rumors of xp boosters, which seem to freak people out. I don't get that. Yay. That dude hit max level a whopping 10% faster than I am. So...who cares? I get there a day or two later than he does. Levelling isn't a race, unless you're going for a world first achievement. I suppose there's people that care about that, but I doubt it's that many.
 
Other possible ideas for "convenience items" (these are all my own hypotheses) would be things like a summonable mailbox, repair station, etc. Again, could speed up levelling and  dungeoning a bit, but I can't see where it gives any player an unfair gameplay-based advantage over another.

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Devaluing cosmetic items? "cosmetic" means they have no value in-game, right? That's why I don't care that some people can buy them while I'm earning them with an investment of play time. I don't care...because cosmetic items are worthless. We can all get them easily and they offer no advantage, no prestige, no nothing. It's just dolly dress-up. Right? I mean that's what everyone is saying.

I understand that you meant that they have value in terms of the cash shop...they will make ArenaNet a lot of money. In that, I certainly agree. But that wasn't what I was talking about. I'm talking about in-game..."what's the point of playing?" kind of value. A lot of players want a meaningful, memorable experience for their gaming money.

Everyone keeps using the argument that I shouldn't care about anything or anyone in this **massively multiplayer** game. Nothing matters. That's why it's okay to sell everything. Ignore all other players and their actions, despite the fact that we're in the same game world, because we have absolutely no effect on one another.

I'm supposed to ignore other people and how they play, and not care at all about what they have or how they got it, because it's all worthless (super easy to get and / or for sale for cash). I'm only supposed to care about people if they can somehow "beat" me in some sort of competition. Other than that, no other players matter in any way to my social gaming community-driven experience.

I'm just supposed to somehow have "fun"...playing with people I don't care about and doing things that don't matter. That's the rationale for why a cash shop economy is okay? Everything I do in-game is totally worthless, and nobody else is supposed to care, so it's fine that other people just buy it instead of playing. Nice.

I'd love it if someone could give me one argument in favor of ArenaNet's cash shop economy that didn't involve explaining that the whole game is worthless and I shouldn't care about it or any of the other people playing.

 

I'm not saying it's worthless. I'm saying it doesn't impact your actual playing of the game. There's a difference.

The biggest fear for most players in an RMT economy is that other players who use RMT will "beat" them, or be so much more superior to non-cash players that there's no point playing against them. And GW2 is going to have a strong pvp focus. Anet has repeatedly said that this will not be an issue.

Now, if I get your argument right, YOUR big upset with a cash shop is that You put in all your hard earned time and effort, and some kind with a credit card gets the same thing in 10 seconds flat and no effort at all. Seeing as how these are cosmetic items, YMMV. If you really tried hard to earn that shiny pimp hat for your Lion's Arch Bordello outfit, and someone else didn't put in any work but got it, I can understand you being annoyed by that. But you still earned your shiny hat. It's still shiny. It doesn't lessen the shininess of your hat, or the achievement of having earned it. The hat has whatever value you give it. And you can choose to enjoy it as much as you want. 

Now, it may be to you, your "carrot" in playing a game might be the sense of achievement for earning something difficult. And I can see the prospect of someone with a little money skipping that whole mess to get get the item right away as heavily upsetting. If that is the case, if the rush you get by earning the item means more to you than the item itself, then there's nothing I can say to you. This may just not be the game for you.

How can you have your cake and eat it too?

How can on one hand you say that what ever is available from the shop won't really have much impact on the game while on the other hand not have a completely lame game that has little to no point?

Originally posted by Soki123

Originally posted by Magnum2103

Originally posted by Soki123

OMG who the fuck cares. It s a game, it s not giving an advantage, and even if it did are you going to keel over and die . I m so sick of the whiny peopel that todays society has sprouted.

You do see the hypocrisy in this?

Maybe you re right, I m just so sick of people making something out of nothing. It s petty and annoying.

What is "nothing" by your definition?

I think it s funny watching all these people get all excited over really nothing. The system looks like all win to me.

Originally posted by Leucent

I think it s funny watching all these people get all excited over really nothing. The system looks like all win to me.

Because they haven't dropped the bomb yet.

Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh

Originally posted by Leucent

I think it s funny watching all these people get all excited over really nothing. The system looks like all win to me.

Because they haven't dropped the bomb yet.

Damn, you have inside info, do tell.

Originally posted by Leucent

I think it s funny watching all these people get all excited over really nothing. The system looks like all win to me.

We don't have all of  the details, while it's a little early to flip out, it's also way to early to say it's all win..

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Leucent

I think it s funny watching all these people get all excited over really nothing. The system looks like all win to me.

We don't have all of  the details, while it's a little early to flip out, it's also way to early to say it's all win..

Fair enough, but I don t take gaming as serious as some people I guess. I love gaming, I play alot of games, but I don t freak out over something we know really nothing about, and well games in general.

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh

Originally posted by Leucent

I think it s funny watching all these people get all excited over really nothing. The system looks like all win to me.

Because they haven't dropped the bomb yet.

Damn, you have inside info, do tell.

It's exactly because we DO NOT have all the details.

Honestly. How can people in this forum see the announcement of a cash shop and say "ALL WIN!"? When it really should be "To what degree is this a fail?" Hopefully to a lesser

Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh

How can you have your cake and eat it too?

How can on one hand you say that what ever is available from the shop won't really have much impact on the game while on the other hand not have a completely lame game that has little to no point?

Depends on your definition of impact.

Convenience items like xp boosts save you a little time getting things. But someone else will get there without them, maybe just a few days slower. If time is your most valued currency, this impacts you. For many it will not.

Vanity items impact your looks. If how you look is more important than actually playing the game, cash shop vanity items impact you. For many it will not.

However, the items from what Anet has been saying, will not provide other players with any substantial increase in power to where a player with them can dominate pve/pvp content, and a player without them has no chance. Think (cause I haven't said this 15 times already) of League of Legends. Their cash shop conveys little to nothing that will impact whether you can fight effecitvely or (more importantly) if you and your team can work together to win. It's just stuff for fun. Also, in a similar fashion, it's possible to earn cash shop points by playing the game (albeit slower). So anyone can ahve those same items, some just get them faster. Reference my first point about time. 

Originally posted by Leucent

I think it s funny watching all these people get all excited over really nothing. The system looks like all win to me.

Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh

Originally posted by Leucent

I think it s funny watching all these people get all excited over really nothing. The system looks like all win to me.

Because they haven't dropped the bomb yet.

Damn, you have inside info, do tell.

It's exactly because we DO NOT have all the details.

Honestly. How can people in this forum see the announcement of a cash shop and say "ALL WIN!"?

The same way people in this forum see the announcement of a cash shop and say P2W.

Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by GeeTeeEffOh

Originally posted by Leucent

I think it s funny watching all these people get all excited over really nothing. The system looks like all win to me.

Because they haven't dropped the bomb yet.

Damn, you have inside info, do tell.

It's exactly because we DO NOT have all the details.

Honestly. How can people in this forum see the announcement of a cash shop and say "ALL WIN!"?

You can pay or not? Seems all win to me. We have choice, strange people would like that. Get used to it, MMOs are not going to be sub games soon enough. I personally like it.

Originally posted by Leucent

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by Leucent

I think it s funny watching all these people get all excited over really nothing. The system looks like all win to me.

We don't have all of  the details, while it's a little early to flip out, it's also way to early to say it's all win..

Fair enough, but I don t take gaming as serious as some people I guess. I love gaming, I play alot of games, but I don t freak out over something we know really nothing about, and well games in general.

Originally posted by RefMinor

Originally posted by Leucent

I think it s funny watching all these people get all excited over really nothing. The system looks like all win to me.

 

I find it funny watching all these people try to twist logic every which way in order to avoid admitting a cash shop system is turning out to be pay to win. Call a spade a spade.

If you can prove it, I'll call it a spade.

Untill I get more info, I'm going to give Anet the benifit of the doubt.