Originally posted by blayugs

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Originally posted by blayugs

EQ2 F2P is a joke, you arent competitive with P2P players even in simple dungeons as you cant wear better than average gear or cast master spells.

I want to like EQ it would be fun to have a good communtiy but I just cant stand the interface or the questing. I dont want to have to type in sentences to trigger quest dialogue. Too bad because the classes look fun.

Hopefully Sony does a better F2P model with Vanguard.

Have you even played EQ F2P? I'm lvl 70 atm, and haven't paid a cent. The only thing I cant equip so far is some Augments.

 

Edit: Oh didn't see you said EQ2. Why is everyone talking about EQ2, this is the EQ1 forum lol.

 Dont you miss out on AA being F2P ? Also you wont have access to the better spells .

You get 1000 free AA, and you can buy higher tier spells for like a 1 time $2.50 unlock fee. So yes, eventually you will have to buy the AA unlockers, or switch to Gold for a month to grind your AAs. But getting the free 1000 AA is going to take a long time in itself, plus I've seen people like t1 raid gear from the newest expac that isnt even prestige, so I don't think the item restriction is gonna be all that great. Still an amazing amount of content for free, I plan to play for free until im lvl 85 or so and 1000 AA, then switch to gold for a few. Which will cost me 7.50/month, since I bought some SC when it was half off.

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by elocke

Funny, I played for about half an hour and after I logged off on Friday, haven't logged on since and haven't felt ANY urge to.  Which annoys me.  I want to like this game but it's just boring right out the gate.

I love the world and the classes, but I just can't bring myself to do it again. Will have to wait for EQ Next I think.

 Enjoy the wait, EQ Next has been talked about for years and years, i don't see it happening. Hell they just recently a few months ago shutdown 3 studios and fired more then 250 people. The EQ series is going down the tube and EQ Next is just a wishful thinking ideal for EQ fanboys.

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Originally posted by blayugs

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Originally posted by blayugs

EQ2 F2P is a joke, you arent competitive with P2P players even in simple dungeons as you cant wear better than average gear or cast master spells.

I want to like EQ it would be fun to have a good communtiy but I just cant stand the interface or the questing. I dont want to have to type in sentences to trigger quest dialogue. Too bad because the classes look fun.

Hopefully Sony does a better F2P model with Vanguard.

Have you even played EQ F2P? I'm lvl 70 atm, and haven't paid a cent. The only thing I cant equip so far is some Augments.

 

Edit: Oh didn't see you said EQ2. Why is everyone talking about EQ2, this is the EQ1 forum lol.

 Dont you miss out on AA being F2P ? Also you wont have access to the better spells .

You get 1000 free AA, and you can buy higher tier spells for like a 1 time $2.50 unlock fee. So yes, eventually you will have to buy the AA unlockers, or switch to Gold for a month to grind your AAs. But getting the free 1000 AA is going to take a long time in itself, plus I've seen people like t1 raid gear from the newest expac that isnt even prestige, so I don't think the item restriction is gonna be all that great. Still an amazing amount of content for free, I plan to play for free until im lvl 85 or so and 1000 AA, then switch to gold for a few. Which will cost me 7.50/month, since I bought some SC when it was half off.

 No you don't, you get 250 AAs, you gotta spend 5 dollars to get silver membership to get 1000 AAs, so if you want over 250 AA you are gonna be paying for it, also with the spell tiers it is not a one time unlock fee, you unlock for 1 character, maybe you should do your homework cause you are spreading some major misinformation in your post. I forgot to mention your lie about prestige raid armor as well, i have friends in T1 raid gear and it is infact prestige without augments, T1 GROUP gear is the non0prestige stuff. If you compare this to other F2P games it is no were near them in the amount of content you get, this F2P is a complete failure and with Aion going F2P next month EQ failed with their huge restrictions. EQ is not F2P it is freemium, you will be absolutely worthless higher level unless you pay them a monthly fee, you won't even be able to solo very well since free and silver members can only use the worst mercenaries in the game.

Originally posted by chukekle1

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by elocke

Funny, I played for about half an hour and after I logged off on Friday, haven't logged on since and haven't felt ANY urge to.  Which annoys me.  I want to like this game but it's just boring right out the gate.

I love the world and the classes, but I just can't bring myself to do it again. Will have to wait for EQ Next I think.

 Enjoy the wait, EQ Next has been talked about for years and years, i don't see it happening. Hell they just recently a few months ago shutdown 3 studios and fired more then 250 people. The EQ series is going down the tube and EQ Next is just a wishful thinking ideal for EQ fanboys.

Once planet side 2 comes out you can probaly expect EQ next development to speed up, it looks like they will be testing the forge light engine on planetside cause the game seems to be easier to make than a RPG, Im thinking EQ next will be out end of next year or atleast beta but thats just an estimate on my part.

As for EQ free to play im havign quit alot of fun playing my wizard however i may stop playing or atleast noit as much when Guildwars 2 comes out but we will have to wait and see for that though.

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Originally posted by blayugs

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Originally posted by blayugs

EQ2 F2P is a joke, you arent competitive with P2P players even in simple dungeons as you cant wear better than average gear or cast master spells.

I want to like EQ it would be fun to have a good communtiy but I just cant stand the interface or the questing. I dont want to have to type in sentences to trigger quest dialogue. Too bad because the classes look fun.

Hopefully Sony does a better F2P model with Vanguard.

Have you even played EQ F2P? I'm lvl 70 atm, and haven't paid a cent. The only thing I cant equip so far is some Augments.

 

Edit: Oh didn't see you said EQ2. Why is everyone talking about EQ2, this is the EQ1 forum lol.

 Dont you miss out on AA being F2P ? Also you wont have access to the better spells .

You get 1000 free AA, and you can buy higher tier spells for like a 1 time $2.50 unlock fee. So yes, eventually you will have to buy the AA unlockers, or switch to Gold for a month to grind your AAs. But getting the free 1000 AA is going to take a long time in itself, plus I've seen people like t1 raid gear from the newest expac that isnt even prestige, so I don't think the item restriction is gonna be all that great. Still an amazing amount of content for free, I plan to play for free until im lvl 85 or so and 1000 AA, then switch to gold for a few. Which will cost me 7.50/month, since I bought some SC when it was half off.

 Well thankyou for proving my point that the F2P players will not be competitive in EQ.

Just a bit of a  re-cap what is happening here (not that it doesnt happen time and again on most of the boards on this site)...this is a forums for EQ players and those who may be potentially considering the game.  The OP, is having fun in game and wanted to share that for other LIKE MINDED players.  Of course all the miserable folks (this isnt the word I want to use, think another "F" word and replace) need to hijack the thread and then get all mad like ignorant school children when anyone says ANYTHING negative in response to their negativity.

Must suck to be so miserable in life that the only joy you can muster is to try and steal other peoples sunshine.  Some of you "folks" need to drop dead.

Enjoy !!

Originally posted by Mardy

Eh both sides are being overly sensitive for no good reason, but then it's mmorpg.com so I suppose this forum drama isn't out of oridnary.

It keeps me entertained during the slow periods at work.

I've thought about trying the F2P EQ model but, I tried F2P EQ2 and it was WAY too restrictive. I just assumed EQ would be more of the same.

Originally posted by headen

 

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Originally posted by xpowderx
Dear Jackholes,
No one cares if you dont like the game, or are bored!
EQ players love the game, nuff said. If you want to whine go do it on the WOW forums or something. That way you and the panda players can have something incommon!
 
Thats said, to the OP, glad you are finding entertainment in EQ. Its actually very very fun! I have a blast everytime I log in. regardless if im soloing or in group. Yes, grouping is the top line of most excellent fun! especailly when you have a good group :-D
Glad you are enjoying it!

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People need to learn to post only good things about games and to fall into line with whatever the topic is otherwise we may end up with a world with differing opinions and long run on sentences trying to be witty and clever.

let me make this something that you (or even Simple Jack) can grasp...this is a discussion board for people interested in the game.  it makes about as much sense if I went to a forums for people who enjoy going on cruises for vacation and talking up what I perceive to be negatives to people interested in getting/sharing info on their vacations.  Go somehwere that makes you happy and stop trying to piss all over everyone else who is simply trying to enjoy life.  in other words go to hell and take your friends with you.

Enjoy !!

Originally posted by chukekle1

Originally posted by evilastro

Originally posted by elocke

Funny, I played for about half an hour and after I logged off on Friday, haven't logged on since and haven't felt ANY urge to.  Which annoys me.  I want to like this game but it's just boring right out the gate.

I love the world and the classes, but I just can't bring myself to do it again. Will have to wait for EQ Next I think.

 Enjoy the wait, EQ Next has been talked about for years and years, i don't see it happening. Hell they just recently a few months ago shutdown 3 studios and fired more then 250 people. The EQ series is going down the tube and EQ Next is just a wishful thinking ideal for EQ fanboys.

Yeah, SoE is going to ignore their main product, I see that happening. That would be like Square not making anymore Final Fantasy games.

Originally posted by FrostWyrm

Originally posted by Mardy

Eh both sides are being overly sensitive for no good reason, but then it's mmorpg.com so I suppose this forum drama isn't out of oridnary.

It keeps me entertained during the slow periods at work.

 

I've thought about trying the F2P EQ model but, I tried F2P EQ2 and it was WAY too restrictive. I just assumed EQ would be more of the same.

Not sure since I didnt try the EQ F2P.  But since its free no harm in you trying.  I think SOE could use some tweaks to their F2P and should even take some hints from NCsoft, but I am enjoying my return as silver member and some minor SC purchases.  So far, I dont see it as a deal breaker, if I ever get to that point, I will definitely stop playing.

I apologize for my "misinformation". My account was automatically Silver because I had played the game before. When you log in as a free member, you automatically have access to 17/18 expansions. So if you pay 5 dollars for Silver, thats like buying 17 expansions for 5 dollars. I'm sorry that EQ isn't FREE TO PLAY. It's a game, they were making money before off of subscriptions, why would they go completely free to play? There are no MMORPGs that are completely free to play, they all have a cash shop, or charge 60/expansion, or a sub fee, or all of the above *WoW*. 

That being said, a free to play player can drop 5 dollars on the game to get a silver account, and play the game up until the most recent expansion (Level 90 and 1000AA) which will take months if not more. I don't know where else I can get that kind of entertainment for 5 dollars. 

You know I didn't ever play a lot of EQ.  Played a lot of EQ2, but this is something that has piqued my interest so I will try it out.  Wish me luck.

Originally posted by Jimmydean

I apologize for my "misinformation". My account was automatically Silver because I had played the game before. When you log in as a free member, you automatically have access to 17/18 expansions. So if you pay 5 dollars for Silver, thats like buying 17 expansions for 5 dollars. I'm sorry that EQ isn't FREE TO PLAY.

 Why do you need to pay 5 dollars if you already have access to the 17/18 expansions?

I am glad that people do get enjoyment out of SOEs F2P models but they really are the worst company when designing F2P with the restrictions.

Originally posted by Jimmydean

I apologize for my "misinformation". My account was automatically Silver because I had played the game before. When you log in as a free member, you automatically have access to 17/18 expansions. So if you pay 5 dollars for Silver, thats like buying 17 expansions for 5 dollars. I'm sorry that EQ isn't FREE TO PLAY. It's a game, they were making money before off of subscriptions, why would they go completely free to play? There are no MMORPGs that are completely free to play, they all have a cash shop, or charge 60/expansion, or a sub fee, or all of the above *WoW*. 

That being said, a free to play player can drop 5 dollars on the game to get a silver account, and play the game up until the most recent expansion (Level 90 and 1000AA) which will take months if not more. I don't know where else I can get that kind of entertainment for 5 dollars. 

Its not like buying 17 expansions for 5 dollars because you already have access to them for no money.

SoE F2P models are an abomination. They give out the most boring races and classes for 'free' and make it so it is basically impossible to be competitive or even desirable at max level without a heavy cash injection or subscribing. What they havent realised yet is that this is why there hasnt been a massive resurgance in interest in their games. People can see it as a rip off from a mile away.

You are right, they could have kept the games as subscription based, but we all know how many players were interested in paying a subscription for those games. SoE is just greedy, they have been triple dipping for quite some time, long before the terrible F2P models they were charging for expansions, monthly fees and had a cash shop.

To make it worse than WoW all the good appearance items and mounts were on the cash shop instead of obtainable in game, as a bit of a kick in the face to loyal subscribers. See someone in some cool new gear? Oh where did they get it from?.... Oh... Station Cash. Thats pretty much how it went.

The biggest problem with SoE F2P is that you are a complete gimp if you dont pay heaps of money to unlock your character or just subscribe (which is temporary, all the stuff will get locked again when you unsubscribe). Noone will want to party with you. Back when I played EQ2 there is no way in hell we would have invited a F2P gimp in crappy treasured gear and adept spells to do anything. Hell, you cant even put on most basic quest rewards at level 80+ because they are all legendary. In EQ1 you are limited in AA, prestige gear and higher spell tiers. Why would anyone want to party with you at max level?

If they took a look at Aions F2P model they might get some real interest in their games again. No restrictions to character power, races or classes.... then make money off appearance and convenience items. I can guarantee they would make a lot more profit and have far more robust populations.

i am loving this game. i never put serious hours into the ogirinal eq1 before the changes so i never noticed much difference except that it had a tutorial area which i loved! I will be playing this gmae until Tera comes out for sure! its a ton of fun!

as far as end game goes. if you reach level 80+ you should be paying sony for the work you put into this game anyway. If i reach 50+ i will subscribe. If i dont then i will have enjoyed the free model of the game a ton!

Originally posted by blayugs

 Well thankyou for proving my point that the F2P players will not be competitive in EQ.

 

So?  Why should they be?  There needs to be a reason to subscribe...

Fact is it will take the average person several months to get to the point where they get the 1000 aa cap and need prestige gear to "stay competitive".  Thats more than the average person lasts in a game like Rift or SWtoR anyway.

Fortunately, EQ is also a PvE game so "staying competitive" doesnt mean nearly as much.  There will *always* be challenge appropriate content in EQ.

The best MMOs are like wine. They improve with age.

MMO industry and particularly majority of pioneer MMO generation is still too young to understand this. In a decade or two there will be a much bigger number of older and more experienced (thus wiser) gamers who will learn and understand MMOs are evolving products and will value the longetivity more and more. More and more people will look for depth, not just shiny. Just shiny is shallow and wears you out sooner or later. Companies sticking up with their good "old" games adding content and polish year after year will win on the long run.

Many know this and that's why games like UO, DAoC or EQ still exist. However majority of gamers still like to jump over to new shinies but with time more and more will go back to oldies.

Looking from the big picture it has barrely begun.

Originally posted by headen

 

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Originally posted by xpowderx
Dear Jackholes,
No one cares if you dont like the game, or are bored!
EQ players love the game, nuff said. If you want to whine go do it on the WOW forums or something. That way you and the panda players can have something incommon!
 
Thats said, to the OP, glad you are finding entertainment in EQ. Its actually very very fun! I have a blast everytime I log in. regardless if im soloing or in group. Yes, grouping is the top line of most excellent fun! especailly when you have a good group :-D
Glad you are enjoying it!

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People need to learn to post only good things about games and to fall into line with whatever the topic is otherwise we may end up with a world with differing opinions and long run on sentences trying to be witty and clever.

Well to be fair, that isn't an opinion about games but about the people who play them.

Originally posted by evilastro

 

SoE F2P models are an abomination. They give out the most boring races and classes for 'free' and make it so it is basically impossible to be competitive or even desirable at max level without a heavy cash injection or subscribing. What they havent realised yet is that this is why there hasnt been a massive resurgance in interest in their games. People can see it as a rip off from a mile away

The only people that think it is a rip off are the people that cant think for themselves and just assume that its bad because its SoE.  You say 'heavy cash injection', which shows that you never tried making a max level character in EQ2 competitive, because it does NOT take much money at all.  Gear unlockers are 50 cents each, and thats if you take the absolute worst deal on Station Cash.   EQ1 is still to new of a system and the kinks havent been worked out yet.

And no, there hasnt been a 'massive' resurgence for eq2.  DCUO has done about as well as DDO did though.   And its clearly been successful for EQ2.

You are right, they could have kept the games as subscription based, but we all know how many players were interested in paying a subscription for those games. SoE is just greedy, they have been triple dipping for quite some time, long before the terrible F2P models they were charging for expansions, monthly fees and had a cash shop.

However SoE also puts out the most content in the industry, and currnetly has the cheapest sub cost in the industry to it's intelligent consumers (I got an eq2 sub for a full year for 30 bucks)

To make it worse than WoW all the good appearance items and mounts were on the cash shop instead of obtainable in game, as a bit of a kick in the face to loyal subscribers. See someone in some cool new gear? Oh where did they get it from?.... Oh... Station Cash. 

There are tons of mounts and appearance gear in the game already.  this is a 'so what' thing in conjunction with what i wrote above.  let the people that buy that stuff fund your development.  I can live without a giant jumping squirrel mount.  the difference between SoE and Blizzard is that SoE *might* actually use the micro transaction money for the game.  WoW clearly does not, they clearly do not use all of ther sub revenue to support the game or else wed see a *lot* more content over the last 7 years.  WoW has even said it doesnt do housing or increased bank capacity because it is 'too costly'.  You ever see EQ2s housing and inventory space?

The biggest problem with SoE F2P is that you are a complete gimp if you dont pay heaps of money to unlock your character or just subscribe (which is temporary, all the stuff will get locked again when you unsubscribe). Noone will want to party with you. Back when I played EQ2 there is no way in hell we would have invited a F2P gimp in crappy treasured gear and adept spells to do anything. Hell, you cant even put on most basic quest rewards at level 80+ because they are all legendary. In EQ1 you are limited in AA, prestige gear and higher spell tiers. Why would anyone want to party with you at max level?

Again, its not heaps of money.  Regardless, you are the type of person that wants as much as possible for free so are you any better than what you claim SoE to be?  Yes, at max level in EQ1 without spending a dime you arent as powerful.  Why is this an issue?  Subs are 30 bucks a year on triple station cash days, if you are max level you like the game enough to support it.

If they took a look at Aions F2P model they might get some real interest in their games again. No restrictions to character power, races or classes.... then make money off appearance and convenience items. I can guarantee they would make a lot more profit and have far more robust populations.

 I dont follow Aion (I know it has an abysmal NA population so most NAs dont either) so I cant comment much on it other that it is a vastly different target audience than EQ/EQ2 so not necessarily relevant.     But its all hypothetical since it isnt even f2p yet.

Originally posted by truthhurts

Originally posted by evilastro

 

SoE F2P models are an abomination. They give out the most boring races and classes for 'free' and make it so it is basically impossible to be competitive or even desirable at max level without a heavy cash injection or subscribing. What they havent realised yet is that this is why there hasnt been a massive resurgance in interest in their games. People can see it as a rip off from a mile away

The only people that think it is a rip off are the people that cant think for themselves and just assume that its bad because its SoE.  You say 'heavy cash injection', which shows that you never tried making a max level character in EQ2 competitive, because it does NOT take much money at all.  Gear unlockers are 50 cents each, and thats if you take the absolute worst deal on Station Cash.   EQ1 is still to new of a system and the kinks havent been worked out yet.

And no, there hasnt been a 'massive' resurgence for eq2.  DCUO has done about as well as DDO did though.   And its clearly been successful for EQ2.

You are right, they could have kept the games as subscription based, but we all know how many players were interested in paying a subscription for those games. SoE is just greedy, they have been triple dipping for quite some time, long before the terrible F2P models they were charging for expansions, monthly fees and had a cash shop.

However SoE also puts out the most content in the industry, and currnetly has the cheapest sub cost in the industry to it's intelligent consumers (I got an eq2 sub for a full year for 30 bucks)

To make it worse than WoW all the good appearance items and mounts were on the cash shop instead of obtainable in game, as a bit of a kick in the face to loyal subscribers. See someone in some cool new gear? Oh where did they get it from?.... Oh... Station Cash. 

There are tons of mounts and appearance gear in the game already.  this is a 'so what' thing in conjunction with what i wrote above.  let the people that buy that stuff fund your development.  I can live without a giant jumping squirrel mount.  the difference between SoE and Blizzard is that SoE *might* actually use the micro transaction money for the game.  WoW clearly does not, they clearly do not use all of ther sub revenue to support the game or else wed see a *lot* more content over the last 7 years.  WoW has even said it doesnt do housing or increased bank capacity because it is 'too costly'.  You ever see EQ2s housing and inventory space?

The biggest problem with SoE F2P is that you are a complete gimp if you dont pay heaps of money to unlock your character or just subscribe (which is temporary, all the stuff will get locked again when you unsubscribe). Noone will want to party with you. Back when I played EQ2 there is no way in hell we would have invited a F2P gimp in crappy treasured gear and adept spells to do anything. Hell, you cant even put on most basic quest rewards at level 80+ because they are all legendary. In EQ1 you are limited in AA, prestige gear and higher spell tiers. Why would anyone want to party with you at max level?

Again, its not heaps of money.  Regardless, you are the type of person that wants as much as possible for free so are you any better than what you claim SoE to be?  Yes, at max level in EQ1 without spending a dime you arent as powerful.  Why is this an issue?  Subs are 30 bucks a year on triple station cash days, if you are max level you like the game enough to support it.

If they took a look at Aions F2P model they might get some real interest in their games again. No restrictions to character power, races or classes.... then make money off appearance and convenience items. I can guarantee they would make a lot more profit and have far more robust populations.

 I dont follow Aion (I know it has an abysmal NA population so most NAs dont either) so I cant comment much on it other that it is a vastly different target audience than EQ/EQ2 so not necessarily relevant.     But its all hypothetical since it isnt even f2p yet.

 Aion EU has been F2P for a while now. The US one is out soon. Either way it still makes you atleast wanted in groups end game if you dont spend any cash at all unlike SOEs F2P counterparts.