I havent played MO since beta failed, but I was bored and decided to see if it had improved at all. After about 10 hours on the trial my impression is that it hasnt. While the environmental graphics are pretty good and theres a lot of freedom to play, the game is still pretty futile at the early stages.

Theres still:

-naked people everywhere

-no real social interaction

-too much empty space

-horrible interface

-no real clues on how to do basic things beyond the MOST basic things

-outdated and suspicious info from the forums

-not really that much variety in things to do

-horrible combat mechanics

-ugly animations

-overall lack of immersiveness

Im sure its entertaining for some people, especially veterans, but I just felt the lack of instant fun makes its difficult to stay interested. I dont mean themepark fun, but either action or successfull progress without having to pour through forums, help, trial and error to simply make a sword or get a pair of shoes.

You 've just gaved a very complete description of MO. Each time i m going back after some considerable good times i m getting with my guildies, which all decided to leave MO btw, i cant feel anything less than frustrated for all the things that you nentioned and are ingame for ever and angry for the company that runs the project and milks money from customers by selling imaginary future plans around a game that they miserably fail to deliver for more than 2 years that i m watching/ supporting MO on and off.

The only reason this game has not folded yet, is that MMOs cost next to nothing to run after launch, and "daddy" has deep pockets to keep the company going while never turning a cent of profit.

I do not expect this game or company to last the year.

Yes naked people do exist. They do have an option to put some clothes on, this game doesnt force them to though.

-no real social interaction
What do you mean?  How do you measure the level of "social interaction" in this game say vs EVE Online? :)   Its all about what you choose to do (again in MO you have the choice to decide)

-too much empty space

I am shocked (again). ;)  How did you come to the conclusion?  This game is definitely one of the better games for exploring (on horseback, preferably I admit) 

-horrible interface

UI needs some work yes. ("Awakening" is around the corner)

-no real clues on how to do basic things beyond the MOST basic things

You are put into a world and learn to do things. You choose how.. one would be by... (guess!) social interaction, joining guilds , talking to other people, trying stuff out, there is LOADS of possibilities especially in crafting, which very few other games can measure up to.

-outdated and suspicious info from the forums

Check the date of the posts then. 

-not really that much variety in things to do

O.M.G.  (As compared to what game, please ?)

-horrible combat mechanics

If you mean letting the outcome be influenced by real player skill rather than auto-targetting cursor, then definitely yes!! (and thank you Star Vault for that!) :)

-ugly animations

Well, they could be better indeed.

-overall lack of immersiveness

Thats a personal opinion  rather than fact, and I understand you feel that way when you have missed the other points you mentioned above. 

>-Im sure its entertaining for some people, especially veterans, but I just felt the lack of instant fun makes its difficult to stay >interested. I dont mean themepark fun, but either action or successfull progress without having to pour through forums, >help, trial and error to simply make a sword or get a pair of shoes.

Im not a veteran (in MO anyway), but had enough "social interaction" with others to be able to tell that you are wrong. What  IS very true is that MO is quite difficult for a lonely beginner to get into, especially if you have never had prior experience with the Ultima Online genre of PvP MMOs..   if you are used to being held by your hand and guided thru the whole thing then this is NOT a game for you.  Its a dangerous world outside of starter cities, full of dangers but also full of rewards.  There is many ways to get started, some better than others.  Its also full-loot PvP, so dont enter if you cant look out for yourself.

Personally, I love it. 

Originally posted by Arthegon

 

Im not a veteran (in MO anyway), but had enough "social interaction" with others to be able to tell that you are wrong. What  IS very true is that MO is quite difficult for a lonely beginner to get into, especially if you have never had prior experience with the Ultima Online genre of PvP MMOs..   if you are used to being held by your hand and guided thru the whole thing then this is NOT a game for you.  Its a dangerous world outside of starter cities, full of dangers but also full of rewards.  There is many ways to get started, some better than others.  Its also full-loot PvP, so dont enter if you cant look out for yourself.

Personally, I love it. 

 

I think you've made some excellent points, and the final thought quoted above really mirrors my own sentiment.

In a space dominated by one type of game, MO provides a very different type of play experience.  The combination of features is really what I was looking for, although there is still room for improvement.

Nice post.

Originally posted by Arthegon

Ok let's play the old "youngling appears out of nowhere and posts nothing but HAIL SV all over the board"-game.

Yes naked people do exist. They do have an option to put some clothes on, this game doesnt force them to though.

Hardly any game forces you to put clothes on. I can only think of one, actually. Most have enough content to encourage you to, though.

-no real social interaction
What do you mean?  How do you measure the level of "social interaction" in this game say vs EVE Online? :)   Its all about what you choose to do (again in MO you have the choice to decide)

Hard to measure indeed. I would start by measuring the number of existing social tools and estimate the frequency of their use as well as their sphere of influence on the game world. Well, in MO you can hit someone and there's a trade window. And there are guilds. And there's territory control but it's so crap that it made half the game leave. I can't think of more.

In Eve you have dozens of well-known standard professions and even more for the creative mind. All of them influence each other, alliance wars influence market prices, market prices influence alliance wars, there's properly working territory control with a purpose, corps, custom channels, meaningful loot, ninja salvaging someone else's mission. It's almost impossible for a noob to try and leave Eve without leaving at least a small mark on the universe, by selling the minerals that he mined or by buying a gun for his noob mission. In MO you buy from and sell to a vendor.

In Eve, corps, alliances and the market are well thought-out. Member lists, permissions, container logs, offices, standings, market diagrams, I used to say the UI of those parts was clunky and imperfect but it's heavenly compared to MO where guild invitations didn't even work for several months when I played. I'm a 13 days old character in Eve atm. I trade with 2003 chars and it's the normallest thing in the universe.

I played MO for almost 2 months. It's errrrrr... actually I don't relate any kind of emotion to Mortal anymore. It's just empty and boring.

Everything you do in Eve causes something else to happen, it's always a basis for more. That's simply not the case in MO.

-too much empty space

I am shocked (again). ;)  How did you come to the conclusion?  This game is definitely one of the better games for exploring (on horseback, preferably I admit) 

Exploring what? cs_assault had more fine details than the MO-world as a whole. Why would you send anyone around "exploring" MO? Don't you know he'll actually quit as soon as he finds out how empty the world exactly is? I did that.

-horrible interface

UI needs some work yes. ("Awakening" is around the corner)

It's shit. I could probably do it better in a matter of hours and I haven't programmed for years.. And Awakening is in my ass getting its last fine tune.

-no real clues on how to do basic things beyond the MOST basic things

You are put into a world and learn to do things. You choose how.. one would be by... (guess!) social interaction, joining guilds , talking to other people, trying stuff out, there is LOADS of possibilities especially in crafting, which very few other games can measure up to.

What possibilities? Why don't you name any? Joining guilds, talking to people and social interaction is basically the same in MO. What are the other LOADS of possibilities?

-outdated and suspicious info from the forums

Check the date of the posts then. 

And that makes them up-to-date and less suspicious? Found a mouse in the cockpit, cat installed, eh?

-not really that much variety in things to do

O.M.G.  (As compared to what game, please ?)

Compared to any other game, I suppose.

-horrible combat mechanics

If you mean letting the outcome be influenced by real player skill rather than auto-targetting cursor, then definitely yes!! (and thank you Star Vault for that!) :)

Player skill? Two things in MO influence the outcome of a battle: Numbers and hacks. One way or another, you always end up PKing someone who can't fight back. There are no real fights in MO, just PKing. I've NEVER seen a real fight in MO. One guy runs, the other guy chases him to kill.

I've killed some people in MO. There was never any skill involved.

-ugly animations

Well, they could be better indeed.

 

-overall lack of immersiveness

Thats a personal opinion  rather than fact, and I understand you feel that way when you have missed the other points you mentioned above. 

>-Im sure its entertaining for some people, especially veterans, but I just felt the lack of instant fun makes its difficult to stay >interested. I dont mean themepark fun, but either action or successfull progress without having to pour through forums, >help, trial and error to simply make a sword or get a pair of shoes.

Im not a veteran (in MO anyway), but had enough "social interaction" with others to be able to tell that you are wrong. What  IS very true is that MO is quite difficult for a lonely beginner to get into, especially if you have never had prior experience with the Ultima Online genre of PvP MMOs..   if you are used to being held by your hand and guided thru the whole thing then

this is NOT a game for you

.  Its a dangerous world outside of starter cities, full of dangers but also full of rewards.  There is many ways to get started, some better than others.  Its also full-loot PvP, so dont enter if you cant look out for yourself.

Personally, I love it. 

 

LOL. That's all you have to say to a noob that says "your game didn't impress me for these reasons", "you are wrong"?

I only briefly overflew the last hype-paragraph and bolded the important part for noobs, anyway.

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I have played Eve for about 3 years in total and came back after a break. But it only takes a trial to check how little you know about Eve after all the time you supposedly spent in there.

No need to add anything after you blew your credibility up even more.

You couldn't answer the following questions though:

Exploring what?

What possibilities?

What player skill?

Surely that shouldn't be so hard to answer if there's lots to explore, lots of possibilities and lots of player skill involved?

Originally posted by Arthegon

 

Dozens of proffessions in EVE?  Now you sound like you have played EVE for 2 months. :)  There is only 2:  you either an industrial character or a combat oriented char (not to say you cant be both, because you can ofcourse).  

 

That is not correct.  I have a character that basically does 2 things. . one is scouting out and exploring areas in space with probes that I use "hacking" etc. to get items from old relics etc.  The other is electronic jamming etc.

This discussion is not about EVE though is it?

I love / hate MO.

I love it because I do feel it is immersive and hate it due to all of the flaws.  If they fix the major issues I will be back in a heart beat.  The characters are butt ugly and seeing them run around naked is not helpful.  Nothing wrong with nudity. . just ugly nudity in a game I am trying to enjoy.

I hope Awakening brings all the things you claim but they have been coming soon since beta and have not arrived yet for the most part.  The Epic patch did fix some graphics performance issues.  I have not played MO since trying the game out after that patch.  When I go back to try it after Awakening it will be just like I am a newb then.  I truly hope I fall in love with the game again.  We will see I guess once they release it.  I will wait about 2-3 weeks after they release it for them to sort out the bugs and then I will let you know what I think.

Unfortunately I think the best time for this game was just near the end of closed beta.  That was when I seemed to enjoy it the most anyway.

Actually the worste part about the game - and what threw me off the most was all the promises of "comming soon" that never happened.  Over promising and under delivering is one of the worste things you can do to keep customers loyal.  People coming to these forums telling people the game does not have issues just makes the end result worse. . unless SV is just looking to get enough box sales each month to keep them going.  Anyone who is "tricked" into buying the game with promises of fixes will just end up on this forum in a year warning people to stay away.  This is not what SV should be aiming for.  If they actually deliver with "Awakening", which has not happened yet then I will be happy to post positive responses to every negative post in this forum - and I honestly hope that this happens - I just don't expect it.

What I mean is I have a character which is expert at probing, but is also an expert Amarr pilot (command, covertops, recons, h.assault etc etc, caldari EW expert etc etc, )  and with enough time none of these skills exclude any other skills. So he is in theory master of all trades (obviously never at the same time, as its the actual ship you are sitting in that decides your role). 

Trade-offs are in choosing the ship you fly for any given "mission", and not your character as such. (assuming you have a character skilled up).   This is a very nice feature of EVE, but hard to do with UO types of games. DF has no cap, and so everyone is a hybrid in the end and nothing really matters but who played longest.

MO obviously, has a skillpoint cap and you just cannot play ANY role right which follows more the conservative UO system.

As for MO, I am also looking forward to Awakening and the many bugfixes promised.  I went to this game after having done some research, so I dont expected a polished gamed like EVE.

Originally posted by Aethaeryn

Originally posted by Arthegon

 

Dozens of proffessions in EVE?  Now you sound like you have played EVE for 2 months. :)  There is only 2:  you either an industrial character or a combat oriented char (not to say you cant be both, because you can ofcourse).  

 

That is not correct.  I have a character that basically does 2 things. . one is scouting out and exploring areas in space with probes that I use "hacking" etc. to get items from old relics etc.  The other is electronic jamming etc.

This discussion is not about EVE though is it?

I love / hate MO.

I love it because I do feel it is immersive and hate it due to all of the flaws.  If they fix the major issues I will be back in a heart beat.  The characters are butt ugly and seeing them run around naked is not helpful.  Nothing wrong with nudity. . just ugly nudity in a game I am trying to enjoy.

I hope Awakening brings all the things you claim but they have been coming soon since beta and have not arrived yet for the most part.  The Epic patch did fix some graphics performance issues.  I have not played MO since trying the game out after that patch.  When I go back to try it after Awakening it will be just like I am a newb then.  I truly hope I fall in love with the game again.  We will see I guess once they release it.  I will wait about 2-3 weeks after they release it for them to sort out the bugs and then I will let you know what I think.

Unfortunately I think the best time for this game was just near the end of closed beta.  That was when I seemed to enjoy it the most anyway.

Actually the worste part about the game - and what threw me off the most was all the promises of "comming soon" that never happened.  Over promising and under delivering is one of the worste things you can do to keep customers loyal.  People coming to these forums telling people the game does not have issues just makes the end result worse. . unless SV is just looking to get enough box sales each month to keep them going.  Anyone who is "tricked" into buying the game with promises of fixes will just end up on this forum in a year warning people to stay away.  This is not what SV should be aiming for.  If they actually deliver with "Awakening", which has not happened yet then I will be happy to post positive responses to every negative post in this forum - and I honestly hope that this happens - I just don't expect it.

This is a good post, especially the highlighted parts. I think a lot of the "hatred" against MO comes from the fact that many people feel scammed, fooled and tricked by SV, and by Henrik in particular.

If the devs had kept their mouths shut about how awesome, unique and revolutionary MO is going to be one day, and just focused on developing the game instead, more ex-players would have "moved on" and just stopped caring after unsubing. As it is now, one can not help being pissed just thinking about all the lies and empty hype (and outright scamming) coming from SV. You can only overhype and underdeliver, i.e. treat your playerbase like idiots, so many times before people start taking it personally.

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It surprises me no end that a 3 year old vet,  thinks that the races and professions you choose when starting a new char in EVE actually mean anything for what you do in the long run (not that it is a bad thing at all, works very well for  EVE anyway).  I am also surprised by the fact I actually bothered to answer your post at all. 

Thank you for your input, I will base the choice of my next game on your opinion for sure. :)

Hilarious. The fan-bois are talking about them liking the game, and the haters how much they hate it. The funniest part is that the fan-bois are actually playing, and defending something the currently play and like when the haters dont even play the game. I admire all the haters that spends their days in here (and other forums ofc) just trash talking the game (blatent lying in some cases) - you have to have some good amount of free time in your lives! =) 

For me, if I do not like a game, how much could I care about it? I dont, and I move along. At least my spare time is worth more that trolling/flaming forums. But what do I know, some people might have no friends but the Intenetz.... Your loss!

Originally posted by Biskop

Originally posted by wmada2k

Hilarious. The fan-bois are talking about them liking the game, and the haters how much they hate it. The funniest part is that the fan-bois are actually playing, and defending something the currently play and like when the haters dont even play the game. I admire all the haters that spends their days in here (and other forums ofc) just trash talking the game (blatent lying in some cases) - you have to have some good amount of free time in your lives! =) 

For me, if I do not like a game, how much could I care about it? I dont, and I move along. At least my spare time is worth more that trolling/flaming forums. But what do I know, some people might have no friends but the Intenetz.... Your loss!

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Well he does have a point though. With people that like MO and defend the game, actually plays the game, and the "haters" don´t play the game, they only play the "hate-SV"-game on forums.

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by Biskop

Originally posted by wmada2k

Hilarious. The fan-bois are talking about them liking the game, and the haters how much they hate it. The funniest part is that the fan-bois are actually playing, and defending something the currently play and like when the haters dont even play the game. I admire all the haters that spends their days in here (and other forums ofc) just trash talking the game (blatent lying in some cases) - you have to have some good amount of free time in your lives! =) 

For me, if I do not like a game, how much could I care about it? I dont, and I move along. At least my spare time is worth more that trolling/flaming forums. But what do I know, some people might have no friends but the Intenetz.... Your loss!

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Well he does have a point though. With people that like MO and defend the game, actually plays the game, and the "haters" don´t play the game, they only play the "hate-SV"-game on forums.

It seems like it's like that for most games on this site. I tell you what though, the MO haters are a lot more dedicated than some of the haters for more popular games.This forum is much more active than say, the Rift forum. In MO, even the haters are hardcore!

Originally posted by wmada2k

Hilarious. The fan-bois are talking about them liking the game, and the haters how much they hate it. The funniest part is that the fan-bois are actually playing, and defending something the currently play and like when the haters dont even play the game. I admire all the haters that spends their days in here (and other forums ofc) just trash talking the game (blatent lying in some cases) - you have to have some good amount of free time in your lives! =) 

For me, if I do not like a game, how much could I care about it? I dont, and I move along. At least my spare time is worth more that trolling/flaming forums. But what do I know, some people might have no friends but the Intenetz.... Your loss!

+1

Originally posted by ltank

 

 In MO, even the haters are hardcore!

Good one! I literally lol'ed!!

Now how do you add a sig in these forums.

Originally posted by Norpan

Well he does have a point though. With people that like MO and defend the game, actually plays the game, and the "haters" don´t play the game, they only play the "hate-SV"-game on forums.

Perhaps because forum PvP is much more fun than playing MO?

Also, some MO fans are extremely active here (yourself included), so I wouldn't stretch the forum warrior analogy too far. Despite all the claims of not caring about the "haters" and their "hate", some people here spend a considerable amount of time arguing with them.

One would almost think you actually enjoyed it a wee bit... : )

Originally posted by Biskop

Originally posted by Norpan

Well he does have a point though. With people that like MO and defend the game, actually plays the game, and the "haters" don´t play the game, they only play the "hate-SV"-game on forums.

Perhaps because forum PvP is much more fun than playing MO?

Also, some MO fans are extremely active here (yourself included), so I wouldn't stretch the forum warrior analogy too far. Despite all the claims of not caring about the "haters" and their "hate", some people here spend a considerable amount of time arguing with them.

One would almost think you actually enjoyed it a wee bit... : )

I don´t write here nearly as much as the average hater. I actually write in other game forums as well. I´m not a MO-player only. I like the game for what it offers me compared to other MMOs. It´s a unique experience. Some like it, like me, some don´t, like you. But I can only compare to myself, and if I don´t like a game. I move on. I don´t linger around that games different forums and talk shit about it. I would probably express how crappy it was, and move on. Never stay. If I like a game on the other hand, it´s natural to visit that games forum. I´m way more active in the actuall MO forum then here. I visit MMORPG mostly to check out other MMOs, but always check in here to read what´s been said as well. But I´ve grown tired of writing here as well.

But if forum-PVPing is the most fun you can get then playing ANY other "real" game than I feel sad for you. I really do.

Originally posted by Norpan

Originally posted by Biskop

Originally posted by Norpan

Well he does have a point though. With people that like MO and defend the game, actually plays the game, and the "haters" don´t play the game, they only play the "hate-SV"-game on forums.

Perhaps because forum PvP is much more fun than playing MO?

Also, some MO fans are extremely active here (yourself included), so I wouldn't stretch the forum warrior analogy too far. Despite all the claims of not caring about the "haters" and their "hate", some people here spend a considerable amount of time arguing with them.

One would almost think you actually enjoyed it a wee bit... : )

I don´t write here nearly as much as the average hater. I actually write in other game forums as well. I´m not a MO-player only. I like the game for what it offers me compared to other MMOs. It´s a unique experience. Some like it, like me, some don´t, like you. But I can only compare to myself, and if I don´t like a game. I move on. I don´t linger around that games different forums and talk shit about it. I would probably express how crappy it was, and move on. Never stay. If I like a game on the other hand, it´s natural to visit that games forum. I´m way more active in the actuall MO forum then here. I visit MMORPG mostly to check out other MMOs, but always check in here to read what´s been said as well. But I´ve grown tired of writing here as well.

But if forum-PVPing is the most fun you can get then playing ANY other "real" game than I feel sad for you. I really do.

You write a lot but you don't really say anything..

Originally posted by Norpan

 

Well he does have a point though. With people that like MO and defend the game, actually plays the game, and the "haters" don´t play the game, they only play the "hate-SV"-game on forums.

When watching a freight train, filled with pickpockets and underwear thieves, roll off the track and veer towards a big pile of steaming horse shit, we do not need to be a paid passenger with a ticket to comment on why no one should have boarded this train, son.

Stick to the point though, this thread is about a player who tried the trial and wasnt happy about the game and came here to post his thoughts. What do you hope to achieve by rambling on about why people post about games on a game forum? Be like that other guy and post your own rose tinted views to discredit the OP while not countering any valid points made by him like a rational person (and throwing in the vague 'you arent hardcore enough for this game, go back to wow' type comment), instead of derailing this thread like the derailed train which is MO. Besides if you hate the game, then why would you play the game or more importantly PAY these fools at SV for their game? Logic failing much? Thousands of people bought this game, played this game and hate this game enough not to play it anymore and want to let others know why this company sucks, god forbid they should post their views if they arent willing to get scammed by SV month after month. 

And seems like those over the top personal attacks instigated by Arthegon havent been moderated even though I see other non-fanboy posts getting the mod tag treatment. Im going to report his posts just in case you oversaw that DLangley, lets see if moderation can be doled out here without bias, yea?