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  fenistil

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3/19/12 7:30:37 PM#41
Originally posted by Suzie_Ford
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Suzie_Ford

In the best interests of the game, it would be nice if any 'alternative ending' type DLC would be offered to customers for free. But, even if it's not, I'll buy it because I am THAT dissatisfied with the lack of closure and the lack of even a minute chance of a happy ending for Shepard. A 10-20 purchase price would be OK with me for the gigantic number of hours and replays that the series has brought to me over the years.

Thank you for proving my point and continuing to make this industry a worse place Suzie.

At some point its time for us gamers to admit to ourselves that we will buy anything to get our fix, even if the cocaine is cut with flour and costs twice as much as last week.

In your opinion it's bad but not everyone necessarily feels that way. That's the beauty of differing opinions.

We all have ways that we want to spend our money. For those who don't give a rip about the 'tragic' ending or who are satisfied with the way it all played out, there's no reason to buy the alternate ending DLC. According to a vast majority of gaming websites, we who are unhappy are disaffected whiners anyway and a sizeable minority so Bioware won't make much anyway, right? ;)

Call me wrong all you wish. Doesn't make me believe it. I want my Shepard to have a chance at the happy life that she's lived through impossible odds for 7 years or so to attain for the universe.

Omg your posts are so bad and filled with corporate-backing that I am truly sorry to say this ,but it is disgusting for me. 

  winter

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3/19/12 7:40:32 PM#42
Originally posted by fenistil

"We did bad job on an ending ,but dont worry you can pay us to make it better. Also we'll do same thing in next games cause that's great revenue stream and brilliant business strategy. Screw game ending and make people pay for better ones! Suckers"

 

 

 

 So Far Bioware has Stated again and again as recent as Sunday night (yesterday) they would not change the ending.

 

  fenistil

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3/19/12 8:09:02 PM#43
Originally posted by winter
Originally posted by fenistil

"We did bad job on an ending ,but dont worry you can pay us to make it better. Also we'll do same thing in next games cause that's great revenue stream and brilliant business strategy. Screw game ending and make people pay for better ones! Suckers"

 

 

 

 So Far Bioware has Stated again and again as recent as Sunday night (yesterday) they would not change the ending.

 

I'll believe it when I see it. EA / Bioware does not have much creditibility left in my opinion.

If ALL extra endings  will be totally free for all ME3 editions then I'll nod , agree that I was wrong and even give BW tiny praise. (well nothing more as they blatantly lied quite alot recently about features of their games and those free DLC's will be seen as trying to make things right nothing more ).

  SBFord

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3/19/12 8:45:44 PM#44
Originally posted by fenistil
Originally posted by Suzie_Ford
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Suzie_Ford

In the best interests of the game, it would be nice if any 'alternative ending' type DLC would be offered to customers for free. But, even if it's not, I'll buy it because I am THAT dissatisfied with the lack of closure and the lack of even a minute chance of a happy ending for Shepard. A 10-20 purchase price would be OK with me for the gigantic number of hours and replays that the series has brought to me over the years.

Thank you for proving my point and continuing to make this industry a worse place Suzie.

At some point its time for us gamers to admit to ourselves that we will buy anything to get our fix, even if the cocaine is cut with flour and costs twice as much as last week.

In your opinion it's bad but not everyone necessarily feels that way. That's the beauty of differing opinions.

We all have ways that we want to spend our money. For those who don't give a rip about the 'tragic' ending or who are satisfied with the way it all played out, there's no reason to buy the alternate ending DLC. According to a vast majority of gaming websites, we who are unhappy are disaffected whiners anyway and a sizeable minority so Bioware won't make much anyway, right? ;)

Call me wrong all you wish. Doesn't make me believe it. I want my Shepard to have a chance at the happy life that she's lived through impossible odds for 7 years or so to attain for the universe.

Omg your posts are so bad and filled with corporate-backing that I am truly sorry to say this ,but it is disgusting for me. 

100% wrong, fenistil.

I don't BACK Bioware's decision because they're a corporation bent on making money. I back them making DLC (hopefully free) that gives me what was promised, what fits the game's lore and what actually fits what was promised when I was told that EVERY decision Shepard made would have an impact on the ending. She ran around the universe saving whole races and mending ill will and became a poster girl for working together to all have it mean NOTHING.

My main feeling is frustration that all the hundreds of hours I've poured into the ME series from 1 forward actually didn't mean anything, that there wasn't even a minute chance for an ending that didn't involve Shepard's death. Slim as it may be, there should ALWAYS be a chance at salvation otherwise no one would ever take a chance either in a game or in real life.

Story trumps game maker every time.

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  fenistil

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3/19/12 8:53:37 PM#45
Originally posted by Suzie_Ford
Originally posted by fenistil
Originally posted by Suzie_Ford
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Suzie_Ford

In the best interests of the game, it would be nice if any 'alternative ending' type DLC would be offered to customers for free. But, even if it's not, I'll buy it because I am THAT dissatisfied with the lack of closure and the lack of even a minute chance of a happy ending for Shepard. A 10-20 purchase price would be OK with me for the gigantic number of hours and replays that the series has brought to me over the years.

Thank you for proving my point and continuing to make this industry a worse place Suzie.

At some point its time for us gamers to admit to ourselves that we will buy anything to get our fix, even if the cocaine is cut with flour and costs twice as much as last week.

In your opinion it's bad but not everyone necessarily feels that way. That's the beauty of differing opinions.

We all have ways that we want to spend our money. For those who don't give a rip about the 'tragic' ending or who are satisfied with the way it all played out, there's no reason to buy the alternate ending DLC. According to a vast majority of gaming websites, we who are unhappy are disaffected whiners anyway and a sizeable minority so Bioware won't make much anyway, right? ;)

Call me wrong all you wish. Doesn't make me believe it. I want my Shepard to have a chance at the happy life that she's lived through impossible odds for 7 years or so to attain for the universe.

Omg your posts are so bad and filled with corporate-backing that I am truly sorry to say this ,but it is disgusting for me. 

100% wrong, fenistil.

I don't BACK Bioware's decision because they're a corporation bent on making money. I back them making DLC (hopefully free) that gives me what was promised, what fits the game's lore and what actually fits what was promised when I was told that EVERY decision Shepard made would have an impact on the ending. She ran around the universe saving whole races and mending ill will and became a poster girl for working together to all have it mean NOTHING.

My main feeling is frustration that all the hundreds of hours I've poured into the ME series from 1 forward actually didn't mean anything, that there wasn't even a minute chance for an ending that didn't involve Shepard's death. Slim as it may be, there should ALWAYS be a chance at salvation otherwise no one would ever take a chance either in a game or in real life.

Story trumps game maker every time.

I think we misunderstood ourselves here.

I am not talking about DLC itself or story.

I am talking about backing up and agreeing with business model that sell alternative / better endings for money.

Of course everyone is free to do whatever they wish with their money ,but I am free to have an opinion that supporting business model like that is totally wrong and is bad for gamers in general.

 

As I am a gamer and not EA or even industry worker - I care for my own and gamers interest first and foremost.

 

Of course everyone , be it journalist , industry insider or even other gamer is free to disagree with me.

  MMOarQQ

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"Against stupidity the very gods themselves contend in vain."

3/19/12 8:55:01 PM#46

I'm going strictly back to books and graphic novels. There's only so much laughing in my face that I can tolerate.

 

  Elikal

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3/19/12 9:29:30 PM#47
Originally posted by dronfwar

word on the streets is, quality of the new ending will be dependent from the cash you pay.

bad ending: 5.99 - mediocre ending: 10.99 - good ending: 20.99 - happy end: 50.99

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR6-u8OIJTE

 

 

 

Doh, thanks for giving them ideas!

But seriously, I lol'ed. XD THAT sounds like EA, yes.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Opapanax

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3/19/12 9:33:18 PM#48

Sounds like they are trying to turn it into a single player online role-playing game.. They've got some experience in that department..

PM before you report at least or you could just block.

  Dekron

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3/20/12 8:19:43 AM#49

The ending was not the worst for me. The worst was not finding out who the builders of the Citadel were. Sure, the Citadel controls the Reapers - which, in itself is a continuity buster. Considering the Protheans were able to deactivate the signal to alert the Reapers the Citadel being self-ware should have been able to fix this.

I picked destroying the Reapers and the mass relays, so I am not sure if this is the same still scene as the others, but I liked how Shepard ended up being viewed as a sort of "god" in the distant future (referred to as The Shepard). However, I would have liked to see more in between the destruction of the citadel/reapers/mass relays and the grandfather/grandson talking.

 

  gilgamesh42

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.........

3/20/12 11:41:50 AM#50

-__________- bioware is no longer to be trusted sad that they have become so greedy

  Nethermancer

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3/20/12 11:47:09 AM#51

I loved ME i LOVED ME2

Its sucks that i cant play ME3 because I will not touch origin with a ten foot pole.

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  Ceridith

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3/20/12 11:48:17 AM#52

If a DLC providing an alternate or otherwise 'enhanced' ending is released for anything but free, please DO NOT buy it.

I know it's your money and you can do whatever you want with it, but please hear me out...

if you are truly dissatisfied with the ending of ME3 as many other gamers are, then paying extra for a proper ending to the game and trilogy is the worst thing possible that you could do. Paying for such DLC is basically telling developers like Bioware, EA, et all, that it's perfectly okay to really screw up certain parts of their games, so long as they release DLC later on to fix those parts

In other words, if you were to purchase DLC that improves ME3s ending, you would be encouraging Bioware and other game developers to repeat what happened with ME3. Why sell a complete game for $60, when you can sell a game with a major piece missing for $60, and then sell the 'completed experience' for an additional cost?

  Xerith

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3/20/12 11:52:10 AM#53

For those who are having trouble understanding why we hate the endings, heres a breakdown -

None of your choices in over 100+ hours of gaming in the 3 games have any impact on the ending. 

In 10 minutes the ending creates about 15 different plot holes. 

The 16 endings promised are actually 3 endings. 

The quote of you not just picking A, B, or C is false and thats exactly what you do. 

No matter if you pick A, B, or C the ending cut scene is nearly exactly the same, its just a different color. 

There is 0 information about what happens to anyone from the game after you make your decision. 

Based on what was told in the Arrival DLC in ME2, the ME relays exploding is the same as a super nova, which means you just exterminated all life in the galaxy anyways. 

Shepard is alive at the end of one of the choices despite being told you WILL die if you chose that one. 

Theres more but this is why we are upset. Not because its dark, or because we don't get it but because its terrible writing that makes no sense what so ever to anyone who has paid attention to the series for the past five years. 

  iceman00

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3/20/12 7:42:01 PM#54
Originally posted by Suzie_Ford
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Suzie_Ford

In the best interests of the game, it would be nice if any 'alternative ending' type DLC would be offered to customers for free. But, even if it's not, I'll buy it because I am THAT dissatisfied with the lack of closure and the lack of even a minute chance of a happy ending for Shepard. A 10-20 purchase price would be OK with me for the gigantic number of hours and replays that the series has brought to me over the years.

Thank you for proving my point and continuing to make this industry a worse place Suzie.

At some point its time for us gamers to admit to ourselves that we will buy anything to get our fix, even if the cocaine is cut with flour and costs twice as much as last week.

In your opinion it's bad but not everyone necessarily feels that way. That's the beauty of differing opinions.

We all have ways that we want to spend our money. For those who don't give a rip about the 'tragic' ending or who are satisfied with the way it all played out, there's no reason to buy the alternate ending DLC. According to a vast majority of gaming websites, we who are unhappy are disaffected whiners anyway and a sizeable minority so Bioware won't make much anyway, right? ;)

Call me wrong all you wish. Doesn't make me believe it. I want my Shepard to have a chance at the happy life that she's lived through impossible odds for 7 years or so to attain for the universe.

I guess I'm a cheaper date.  I don't need a "happy" ending.  Just give me an ending that makes sense.

Now pay for it?  5 to 10 bucks is a maybe.  Anything more, nope.  At that point, the dope really is just cut with flour, and I'm a sophisticated customer.  :p

  iceman00

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Kevin Tierney

3/20/12 7:53:06 PM#55
Originally posted by eyeswideopen

Seems EAware is taking a hit everywhere. Now they've cancelled the Dragon Age 2 DLC and called DA2 quits http://www.gamesradar.com/dragon-age-2-dlc-cancelled-bioware-considers-series-next-phase/

As far as DLC endings for ME3, it doesn't matter what they charge, I'll be attaining it for free regardless. Between DA2, SWTOR, and now ME3, EAware can kiss my wallet goodbye.

Well guess you won't be hearing Hawke's story afterall!

Will they finally admit that DA2 was a massive screwup?  What did they realize?  Not enough people are playing DA2 to justify a DLC.  Oh, but it sold so well!  Maybe.  But the people who bought it stopped playing after 50 hours.  (Like myself, 2 playthroughs, nothing more.)

Now DA:O, I played well over 150 hours.  Enough to do all Origin stories the way through.  (Just took a nostalgia trip recently to do the dwarven noble and slum ones.)

  iceman00

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Kevin Tierney

3/20/12 7:54:31 PM#56
Originally posted by kzaske

Maybe it's just me being dense here but what is so hard to understand about the ending?  I have watched so many videos of the ending my eyes hurt, just to see what the fuss was about, and had no trouble understanding why each of the ending is the way they are.

 

I am not trying to be a troll, I really want to know what's not to understand about the end of this game?

All of us "understand" what goes on in the ending.  Why does that occur though?  That is the real question.  Knowing what we know about the ME3 lore, the current endings are impossible.  Okay, evolving canon and all.  But why the change?

  iceman00

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Kevin Tierney

3/20/12 7:59:52 PM#57
Originally posted by winter
Originally posted by fenistil

"We did bad job on an ending ,but dont worry you can pay us to make it better. Also we'll do same thing in next games cause that's great revenue stream and brilliant business strategy. Screw game ending and make people pay for better ones! Suckers"

 

 

 

 So Far Bioware has Stated again and again as recent as Sunday night (yesterday) they would not change the ending.

 

And that person almost certainly got fired, because almost instantly Bioware was in overdrive disavowing what the person said, specifically stating "we have not yet decided what to do in regards to the ending."  And then they went further pointing out the person who stated that lacked the knowledge and authority to state such.

Bioware doesn't know what they want to do.  They didn't think this ending would be so poorly received.  They thought if they played the right music, and left a lot of cliffhangers, they could pull a Sopranos style ending.  While imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, imitation is also the sincerest indicator you are just flat out lazy.

  Moaky07

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MMO sandbox games are as exciting as watching paint dry.

3/21/12 1:03:54 AM#58
Originally posted by iceman00
Originally posted by Suzie_Ford
Originally posted by AdamTM
Originally posted by Suzie_Ford

In the best interests of the game, it would be nice if any 'alternative ending' type DLC would be offered to customers for free. But, even if it's not, I'll buy it because I am THAT dissatisfied with the lack of closure and the lack of even a minute chance of a happy ending for Shepard. A 10-20 purchase price would be OK with me for the gigantic number of hours and replays that the series has brought to me over the years.

Thank you for proving my point and continuing to make this industry a worse place Suzie.

At some point its time for us gamers to admit to ourselves that we will buy anything to get our fix, even if the cocaine is cut with flour and costs twice as much as last week.

In your opinion it's bad but not everyone necessarily feels that way. That's the beauty of differing opinions.

We all have ways that we want to spend our money. For those who don't give a rip about the 'tragic' ending or who are satisfied with the way it all played out, there's no reason to buy the alternate ending DLC. According to a vast majority of gaming websites, we who are unhappy are disaffected whiners anyway and a sizeable minority so Bioware won't make much anyway, right? ;)

Call me wrong all you wish. Doesn't make me believe it. I want my Shepard to have a chance at the happy life that she's lived through impossible odds for 7 years or so to attain for the universe.

I guess I'm a cheaper date.  I don't need a "happy" ending.  Just give me an ending that makes sense.

Now pay for it?  5 to 10 bucks is a maybe.  Anything more, nope.  At that point, the dope really is just cut with flour, and I'm a sophisticated customer.  :p

Cheap date? When ya wanna go out? Err NM....Homie dont swing that way.

 

Seriously....I fully expect them to hit us with a 10 dollar DLC, and I will be there to grab it on the first day. In over 30 yrs of gaming, nothing has ever grabbed me like ME. That said, it was silly to go with things as is.

 

Which is a total slap in the face to the rest of the game. Minus that 10 mins, ME 3 stands strong with the prior 2.

Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.

  DJJazzy

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3/21/12 1:43:46 AM#59

I loved ME3 (except for a few minor things, like the terrible journal) except for the ending of course. Now I haven't got all worked up like a lot of fans have as I did really like the rest of the game. But today I read the Indoctrination Theory that has been going around since yesterday. Some links here if some would like to read it, it goes without saying that there are huge spoilers here.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9727423

some videos that go with it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck

AngryJoe also had one but took it down for re-editing.

Anyway, they make a lot of sense in there and if it is indeed true, man I would laugh at all of the reaction to it.

  eyeswideopen

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3/21/12 2:38:02 AM#60
Originally posted by DJJazzy

I loved ME3 (except for a few minor things, like the terrible journal) except for the ending of course. Now I haven't got all worked up like a lot of fans have as I did really like the rest of the game. But today I read the Indoctrination Theory that has been going around since yesterday. Some links here if some would like to read it, it goes without saying that there are huge spoilers here.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9727423

some videos that go with it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck

AngryJoe also had one but took it down for re-editing.

Anyway, they make a lot of sense in there and if it is indeed true, man I would laugh at all of the reaction to it.

If EAware goes with the "indoctrination theory", it's because of this:

EAware Doctors: "Fuck, they're slamming us! Bunch of ingrates should be happy we even bothered to give them any sort of ending to our gloriuos masterpiece!"

EAware dev: "It's not all bad. Look, Biodrones are defending us, making up excuses and saying Shepard is indoctrinated and only the smart players, like the Biodrones, recognize it as a worthy ending."

EAware Doctors: "Perfect! Steal that idea and get it rolling as DLC! It's better than having to pay for a real lead designer to replace Brent Knowles."

EAware dev: "We'll get on it right now."

EAware Doctors: "And make sure you charge at least $20. Fucking ingrates will pay for questioning our genius."

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