I still dont understand why the games budget is such a sticking point.  It was their money, they should be able to spend it however they want as long as they dont have an exorbitant pricing structure. Its not like this product was financed by tax payer money (Im looking at you electric cars).

Another thing i find funny, although I havent seen it since STO, is the lifetime membership offer. Has any game been successful using one of these. 

Because the game is just not that good. Hype > TOR.

Originally posted by Shakes420

I still dont understand why the games budget is such a sticking point.  It was their money, they should be able to spend it however they want as long as they dont have an exorbitant pricing structure. Its not like this product was financed by tax payer money (Im looking at you electric cars).

 

Another thing i find funny, although I havent seen it since STO, is the lifetime membership offer. Has any game been successful using one of these. 

Much much more was done with a lot less.

It amounts to a huge waste. And to be done with this particular IP no less.

There should be an outstanding MMORPG around this IP and all SW fans got was an "almost was" and  a "never will be"

As far as lifetimes, I think STO exposed them for what they are. Greedy Cash grabs.

Even FunCom ins't touching that one.

People love to 'hate' anything that has the spotlight.

And SWTOR has the brightest one right now.

Marketing people love 'haters' though, just read the article in my sig. :)

Originally posted by jpnz

People love to 'hate' anything that has the spotlight.

And SWTOR has the brightest one right now.

Marketing people love 'haters' though, just read the article in my sig. :)

Wait a minute....that guys name is JP...and your name starts with jp.......

SPYYYYYY!!!!!

actually it's a good read, thanks for sharing. 

Because they promised SWOTOR would change the genre. Because they told us this was going to be a great star wars game.

It is just WoW with a Star Wars reskin and a couple of extra features.

People want SWTOR (or any new game for that matter) to be like it was when you know they had their first "girlfriend".  Problem is that will never happen again, so people blame the lack of having that experience relived on game developers.

Its childish, just grow up and enjoy the games for what they are not for what you remember them to be like.

Originally posted by Moaky07

Originally posted by MindTrigger

Originally posted by Moaky07

Cres that is fine and dandy to have an opinion. As you showed, there are several major issues to you.

 

What I have an issue with is folks breaking the TOS on this site, and continually posting those reasons. The concerted effort to spread negativity is, quite frankly, childish. The TOR forum is pretty much dedicated to the so called "forum PVP", and if this shit was happening in the EVE or AA forums, folks would be losing their freaking minds.

 

Like you said....you hope TOR drops immensely. Which is the difference between me n you. I dont feel the need to hope other games crash n burn. When it comes down to it, just cause I dont like something, I dont feel it gives me the right to wish problems for someone else.

 

To each their own I guess. Good write up to explain your feelings just the same.

This website is about discussing MMOs, worts and all.  We don't come here to blow sunshine up the developer's arses when it is underserved.  If you don't want to read people's negative opinions, and you believe everyone is on some sort of vendetta, then perhaps MMO forums are not the right place for you to spend time.

 

 

 

I beg to differ....

 

It isnt "discussion"....it is the same shit different day from a number of the same posters. It actually is against the TOS of site, but for some reason it isnt enforced. Do gameplay discussions happen? Nope not really....they get bumped to the bottom of the page every time for the latest "Derrr we wanted the PRECIoUs" thread, or some flavor to that effect. Threads always turn into bitch session, and you can typically count on the same folks to chime in.

 

We get it....some of you dont like the game. Move the fuck on.

 

Instead the fans of TOR are forced to deal with you folks, and it is BS quite frankly. The fact you would even attempt to sugar coat what actually transpires doesnt surprise me, as being a "practicing SWG "vet" you are the epitome of what is annoying about dealing with the TOR forums. It was uncalled for when this same shit happened for EQ yrs ago, and it is now for TOR.

 

Like I said though, if this shit was happening in either the EVE or AA forums, the same folks here slinging shit would be going ape shit crazy.  It is hard enough for MMOs without someone trying to drive away potential business.

 

So now Cres has come out and listed why he doesnt like TOR. I would expect a person to either walk away, or simply not make a daily habit of chiming in to flame the game. Like he stated though, he wants the game to do badly, so I guess he is going to continue flaming in the hopes it helps to make it a reality.

 

Who knows? Maybe you guys have a point, and rather than being concerned about TOR, I should spend my time spreading dirt about other games in their respective forums. Nah....I wont stoop to that level.

 

 

Fantastic! Well said.

I dunno, but I knew I wouldn't like it. So I didn't buy it. Then again, I don't buy anything that EA is involved with.

It is like a lousy imitation of justin bieber(wow). Normally people wouldnt mind, but darn it wears Star Wars skin. You have whole galaxy as playground but it still makes you feel caged in this game. A Next gen Star Wars MMO brings up massive- but MASSIVE scaled content, exploration in my mind. People hate because it has such a large budget but offers such poor experience compared to that. People hate this for a reason or 100. 

The major debate comes from people who recognize there's a problem with what they promised the public and what they delivered not being the same thing and this difference between promise and end product is not being accepted by the fans of both SW and bioware. Countless hours of the interviews (videos and text mind you) at and after the cons demo-ing the tiny portion of the game they allowed the public to see combined with the very large amount of censoring this game received both before and after launch both in and out of their official forums, not to mention the occasional statements by the new director of finances (since the other one quit right after he gave everyone the 1.7mil "active" accounts schpeel has made this game the official model for what NOT to do to your adoring fans. 

And before some idiot comes on here and tells me that they didn't give promises they didn't keep, just look at the combat. 

I have the proof in videos and in screens and in interview text to backup how i know this is a bad pr nightmare instead of a honest product. The problem is people just don't want to listen to the facts, it explains why we have so many people on the street who can't answer geography or simple history questions. Facts are unpopular.

The other thing i find interesting is that not only did EA/BW censor the holy bejeezus out of their own forums but for a time somehow websites like these were censoring their forums as well. Can't help but wonder what this website would get out of censoring posts about what's really happening in the game and not what word of mouth(keyboard) has distorted.

If you like it fine, but you cannot deny without being factually wrong that the game was promised to change the genre and to not have the crappy combat model it has now. 

I can't speak for everyone but i post about this problem not just because of how they treated the fans of SW but also because i'm dissappointed in how corporations like these are often supported by the communities they affect and no one seems to have an issue with it. 

My main issues with it were that they had the gall to charge a monthly sub for a single player game, and then when confronted with players negative experiences the developers said things like "its their bad computers" and wrote off people giving negative reviews of the game as being some small imaginary force of people that never played their amazing game but just don't like them (it is even more hilarious how some of their fan base agrees with them on this part.  Disgust on every single forum that discusses it, it is clearly a conspiracy by those internet hooligans that dislike the game for no reason!).  On top of that they went far beyond tooting their own horn, calling it one of the greatest achievements in the history of gaming while they were advertising something that does not even resemble the game.

I also imagine many people have issues with the huge liberties it takes with the lore, with the lackluster pvp, the uninteresting skill trees, the abilities that are literally ripped right from other games, the poor performance with poor graphics, the poorly designed UI, the large install file made up mainly of voiceovers that we are skipping over anyways, the abundance of "kill 10 x" and "pick up 10 y" quests, the unbalanced classes, the poorly designed armor sets, the practically non-existant crafting system, the lack of a cross-server lfg, the linear progression, the continuing focus on repeating themepark ideas that have already been done to death in other games, the low population cap of the servers, the even lower number of players on the servers, and bioware and ea's continual covering up rather than addressing issues (my favorite was "high res textures are a bug and shouldn't exist!").

Most of all I bet people are disappointed that such a poor game has the Star Wars license, preventing any other, better game from using it.

Just to balance out all the negatives though, I should mention the one good thing they did.  Their environmental art direction is really great!

: )

Originally posted by itgrowls

I have the proof in videos and in screens and in interview text to backup how i know this is a bad pr nightmare instead of a honest product. The problem is people just don't want to listen to the facts, it explains why we have so many people on the street who can't answer geography or simple history questions. Facts are unpopular.

Why not just post the link to them saying long ago that they were going to have action combat and be done with it?

Originally posted by Baitness

Most of all I bet people are disappointed that such a poor game has the Star Wars license, preventing any other, better game from using it.

This is the part that applies to me. I don't begrudge people their loving of SWTOR, but it just means that for at least 5 years, nobody will make a Star Wars MMO that I'd enjoy. This is unlike most other MMOs where you can genuinely say - and I have honestly suggested for others - "if you don't like it, play something else, as there are plenty of alternatives out there."

There is (and apparently due to Lucasarts licensing, there can only be) only ONE Star Wars MMO, and it is to very specific tastes. If you don't like it, there is no where else to go.

Originally posted by sidhaethe

Originally posted by Baitness

Most of all I bet people are disappointed that such a poor game has the Star Wars license, preventing any other, better game from using it.

This is the part that applies to me. I don't begrudge people their loving of SWTOR, but it just means that for at least 5 years, nobody will make a Star Wars MMO that I'd enjoy. This is unlike most other MMOs where you can genuinely say - and I have honestly suggested for others - "if you don't like it, play something else, as there are plenty of alternatives out there."

There is (and apparently due to Lucasarts licensing, there can only be) only ONE Star Wars MMO, and it is to very specific tastes. If you don't like it, there is no where else to go.

There was another Star wars MMO available from 2003 until dec 2011. One that was aimed toward the otherside of the fence.

Originally posted by Distopia

Originally posted by sidhaethe

Originally posted by Baitness

Most of all I bet people are disappointed that such a poor game has the Star Wars license, preventing any other, better game from using it.

This is the part that applies to me. I don't begrudge people their loving of SWTOR, but it just means that for at least 5 years, nobody will make a Star Wars MMO that I'd enjoy. This is unlike most other MMOs where you can genuinely say - and I have honestly suggested for others - "if you don't like it, play something else, as there are plenty of alternatives out there."

There is (and apparently due to Lucasarts licensing, there can only be) only ONE Star Wars MMO, and it is to very specific tastes. If you don't like it, there is no where else to go.

There was another Star wars MMO available from 2003 until dec 2011. One that was aimed toward the otherside of the fence.

Why do you think there are only two ways to make an MMO? I happen to disagree, and take a third option.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by smh_alot
@Creslin: While I agree with some points you make, I disagree with others. SWTOR DID do several new things or what hadn't been done in that way beforehand: companions, the way of crafting, cover system and most importantly the way it handled the questing process. Only those were often features and distinction that a number of MMO gamers don't really care about, so to them those distinctions don't count since they aren't about the features or direction that they're interested in.

 

For the rest, I think it's all about expectations: strio all bias aside and dislikes for themepark MMO gameplay etc, and SWTOR ranks among the better themepark MMORPG's with its own good and bad points. It's ok. However, people expected something spectacular with the Bioware-Star Wars-big budget combination or to some after they themselves had a good time in SWG. From that point of view SWTOR how it turned out could only disappoint to them.

 

I also disagree with the whole idea that some have that some games need to fail in order for other games, the kind they like, to be successful. I blame it on WoW that some MMO gamers have developed that kind of warped looking at things. Personally I think that several very different types of MMO's can be very successful next to eachother, and I hope that after this year is done, this point will be proven.

STO did companions before SWTOR, and I think STO does it better too

You get Bridge Officers which help you on your ship, and join you on away missions, and then you get Duty Officers which you send off on Missions, getting you XP and stuff.

dont talk about STO like THAT is a good game m8.....i played it for 15 minutes B4 i quit it out of boredom.......and that says alot from a guy who still enjoys swtor right?

Yeah yeah i hear ya....how can you know anything from 15 minutes on gameplay???? SWTOR got me from the moment the story starts (the yellow letters :p ) and still loving it.

It was the most expensive MMO ever released (and will probably hold that title for a long time) and it was hollow and buggy. Plus all of us who LOVE Star Wars are sick of getting awful 2nd generation Star Wars products. We wanted an improvement on SWG but what we got was Jar Jar Binks...

To end this discussion I believe this Youtube shows what people felt Bioware gave them instead of a real star wars game..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRLmetB5Sbo

I think this is painfully accurate how SwToR turned out to be for too many mmo and star wars fans.

Originally posted by Moaky07

Originally posted by MindTrigger

Originally posted by Moaky07

Cres that is fine and dandy to have an opinion. As you showed, there are several major issues to you.

 

What I have an issue with is folks breaking the TOS on this site, and continually posting those reasons. The concerted effort to spread negativity is, quite frankly, childish. The TOR forum is pretty much dedicated to the so called "forum PVP", and if this shit was happening in the EVE or AA forums, folks would be losing their freaking minds.

 

Like you said....you hope TOR drops immensely. Which is the difference between me n you. I dont feel the need to hope other games crash n burn. When it comes down to it, just cause I dont like something, I dont feel it gives me the right to wish problems for someone else.

 

To each their own I guess. Good write up to explain your feelings just the same.

This website is about discussing MMOs, worts and all.  We don't come here to blow sunshine up the developer's arses when it is underserved.  If you don't want to read people's negative opinions, and you believe everyone is on some sort of vendetta, then perhaps MMO forums are not the right place for you to spend time.

 

 

 

I beg to differ....

 

It isnt "discussion"....it is the same shit different day from a number of the same posters. It actually is against the TOS of site, but for some reason it isnt enforced. Do gameplay discussions happen? Nope not really....they get bumped to the bottom of the page every time for the latest "Derrr we wanted the PRECIoUs" thread, or some flavor to that effect. Threads always turn into bitch session, and you can typically count on the same folks to chime in.

 

We get it....some of you dont like the game. Move the fuck on.

 

Instead the fans of TOR are forced to deal with you folks, and it is BS quite frankly. The fact you would even attempt to sugar coat what actually transpires doesnt surprise me, as being a "practicing SWG "vet" you are the epitome of what is annoying about dealing with the TOR forums. It was uncalled for when this same shit happened for EQ yrs ago, and it is now for TOR.

 

Like I said though, if this shit was happening in either the EVE or AA forums, the same folks here slinging shit would be going ape shit crazy.  It is hard enough for MMOs without someone trying to drive away potential business.

 

So now Cres has come out and listed why he doesnt like TOR. I would expect a person to either walk away, or simply not make a daily habit of chiming in to flame the game. Like he stated though, he wants the game to do badly, so I guess he is going to continue flaming in the hopes it helps to make it a reality.

 

Who knows? Maybe you guys have a point, and rather than being concerned about TOR, I should spend my time spreading dirt about other games in their respective forums. Nah....I wont stoop to that level.

 

 

people dislike swtor because it is a bad game. why do you think you can stop people from expressing their dislike.

your last comment " I should spend my time spreading dirt about other games in their respective forums. Nah....I wont stoop to that level."

suggests that you think that people post negative opinions about swtor out of spite or hate. people critisize things they dont like. why does it matter to you ?