Originally posted by Meowhead

The guy who started this topic is brilliant, and has made me look at the game in ways I never have before.

I think we can all safely say that's why in the press demo, there was no sylvari or asura playable, and none of the game past level 30.

... can we say cash shop products?

Theyve clearly stated you get the 5 races and content up to level 80 when you buy the game. Theyve stated that numerous times over the last 3 years. 

We have different conceptions about wht being brilliant is.

Originally posted by bigsmiff

I really feel that OP's assumption is somewhat correct. Look at the current trend with gaming in general. Bioware has done the okie doke on people with ME3 but they sold record amounts of the game anyway. Diablo 3 is going to have a real money AH and yet people are slobbering in anticipation for it. Anet is seeing all of the hype over this game and I am sure they will capitalize on it somehow. Do you really think they care for their customers more than they do the almighty dollar?!

I predict a cash shop (more than fluff items eventually) in GW2 just like all of the current free to play titles because it makes them money...why would they not do it? I would imagine they have a fortune tied up in this game and they have to get their money back somehow...

 

I think they care as much. Yes, they're a business, but they're also run by gamers, not raw businessmen. They've been walking the walk and show no signs of doing otherwise.

Originally posted by freston

Originally posted by Meowhead

The guy who started this topic is brilliant, and has made me look at the game in ways I never have before.

I think we can all safely say that's why in the press demo, there was no sylvari or asura playable, and none of the game past level 30.

... can we say cash shop products?

Theyve clearly stated you get the 5 races and content up to level 80 when you buy the game. Theyve stated that numerous times over the last 3 years. 

We have different conceptions about wht being brilliant is.

(Psst! He was kidding!)

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by freston

Originally posted by Meowhead

The guy who started this topic is brilliant, and has made me look at the game in ways I never have before.

I think we can all safely say that's why in the press demo, there was no sylvari or asura playable, and none of the game past level 30.

... can we say cash shop products?

Theyve clearly stated you get the 5 races and content up to level 80 when you buy the game. Theyve stated that numerous times over the last 3 years. 

We have different conceptions about wht being brilliant is.

(Psst! He was kidding!)

Got out of work 2 hours ago. im a bit slow today

Originally posted by fiontar

I'm sorry, that's just completely unsupported by any facts, lacks logic and seems to be based entirely on your own personal sense of pessimism.

The only fact in that post is abviously the OP's name...

I really feel that OP's assumption is somewhat correct. Look at the current trend with gaming in general. Bioware has done the okie doke on people with ME3 but they sold record amounts of the game anyway. Diablo 3 is going to have a real money AH and yet people are slobbering in anticipation for it. Anet is seeing all of the hype over this game and I am sure they will capitalize on it somehow. Do you really think they care for their customers more than they do the almighty dollar?!

I predict a cash shop (more than fluff items eventually) in GW2 just like all of the current free to play titles because it makes them money...why would they not do it? I would imagine they have a fortune tied up in this game and they have to get their money back somehow...

 

I can't say it won't ever happen, because I honestly thought I would never see guild wars 2 have an official forum, however, I find it highly unlikely. Guild Wars has been around since April 28, 2005 and it is still populated and no cash shop implemented. Part of the reason I believe is the infrastructure. Now, obviously I have no proof of this numberswise, but I'm going by the eye-test. Guild Wars released 3 stand-alone titles and 1 expansion pack from April 2005 to August 2007. The amount of purchases of these alone is a hefty cashload. Also, I, along with most people I know that still play, have bought cosmetic armor, more character slots, etc. Again, more income. I believe the new model is to "borrow" from Warcraft and sell cosmetic items in the cash shop, I mean seriously, everytime Blizzard unleashes a new $25 mount, there's a million of them flying around. It's bananas. B-a-n-a-n-a-s. 

TLDR:: Plenty of ways you can make $$ as a developer without selling "get-aheads" in the cash shop.

Originally posted by bigsmiff

I really feel that OP's assumption is somewhat correct. Look at the current trend with gaming in general. Bioware has done the okie doke on people with ME3 but they sold record amounts of the game anyway. Diablo 3 is going to have a real money AH and yet people are slobbering in anticipation for it. Anet is seeing all of the hype over this game and I am sure they will capitalize on it somehow. Do you really think they care for their customers more than they do the almighty dollar?!

I predict a cash shop (more than fluff items eventually) in GW2 just like all of the current free to play titles because it makes them money...why would they not do it? I would imagine they have a fortune tied up in this game and they have to get their money back somehow...

 

Well NCSoft/Arenanet are not (yet ?) at the same level of greed where EA and Activision are right now.

Let's hope that doesn't change.

While I agree that the OP is making some big assumptions, he's not completely off in his logic.  Those servers are only going to stay lit up so long from box sales revenue.  The game is going to be reliant on either consistant box sales, large quantities of cash shop sales, or leaning heavily on the library of other NCsoft (the publisher, for those that aren't aware) games that are Pay2Play, a library of games that are slowly switching to the hybrid sub/f2p model.  If the launch numbers aren't up to expectations, which given many peoples budgets combined with the number a big name games that have recently launched or are about to, is a distinct possibility, then I could see ANet (at the behest of NCsoft) dropping smaller content packs more regularly and sooner than expected.  Now, I seriously doubt that these content packs would be of the same scope as the GW1 expansions, and therefore would be cheaper, say in the $20-$25 range.  Those servers are going to require a steady stream of income to stay running, no matter where that income comes from.  And in all reality, it's all going to boil down to Anet getting out of the blocks with a really stellar launch.

Originally posted by 9ineven

Originally posted by bigsmiff

I really feel that OP's assumption is somewhat correct. Look at the current trend with gaming in general. Bioware has done the okie doke on people with ME3 but they sold record amounts of the game anyway. Diablo 3 is going to have a real money AH and yet people are slobbering in anticipation for it. Anet is seeing all of the hype over this game and I am sure they will capitalize on it somehow. Do you really think they care for their customers more than they do the almighty dollar?!

I predict a cash shop (more than fluff items eventually) in GW2 just like all of the current free to play titles because it makes them money...why would they not do it? I would imagine they have a fortune tied up in this game and they have to get their money back somehow...

 

 

Well NCSoft/Arenanet are not (yet ?) at the same level of greed where EA and Activision are right now.

Let's hope that doesn't change.

As I said...why would they not want to make the most money that they can? I am sure the same "sheep" that are said to be in other MMO's will be in GW2 as well.

Originally posted by fiontar

I'm sorry, that's just completely unsupported by any facts, lacks logic and seems to be based entirely on your own personal sense of pessimism.

this

Originally posted by bigsmiff

Originally posted by 9ineven

Originally posted by bigsmiff

I really feel that OP's assumption is somewhat correct. Look at the current trend with gaming in general. Bioware has done the okie doke on people with ME3 but they sold record amounts of the game anyway. Diablo 3 is going to have a real money AH and yet people are slobbering in anticipation for it. Anet is seeing all of the hype over this game and I am sure they will capitalize on it somehow. Do you really think they care for their customers more than they do the almighty dollar?!

I predict a cash shop (more than fluff items eventually) in GW2 just like all of the current free to play titles because it makes them money...why would they not do it? I would imagine they have a fortune tied up in this game and they have to get their money back somehow...

 

 

Well NCSoft/Arenanet are not (yet ?) at the same level of greed where EA and Activision are right now.

Let's hope that doesn't change.

As I said...why would they not want to make the most money that they can? I am sure the same "sheep" that are said to be in other MMO's will be in GW2 as well.

Who said that aggressive CS is the way to make the most money? As you have probably noticed, it leaves bad taste and results in a lot of people quitting the game, which doesn't really work for B2P game that relies on expansion sales. Have you considered the possibility that fluff CS is actually the most profitable option for B2P model, and going more than fluff will actually net them less income?

I know it long time ago that gw2 will be same old one in new clothes, specially now when i know that  Elder Oblivion goes online i cant see a reason to buy this game. And yes it is normal to earn money for your hard work, why you wonder about that- do you work for free or what?

Originally posted by delete5230

I stated this before, sorry to repeat myself.  But I'm 100% convinced of this, and how marketing works.

- Nothing is free

- Cheap pays twice

In my opinion GW2 will be short on content. Way more than people think. Two weeks after release their will be expansions as a heavy cost for players to purchase.....This mmo will cost you as much anyway....Some would say that GW1 waited a year for it's first expansion, BUT this is not GW1. 

ANet was much smaller then. They had no idea how much of a success their game would be, and expansions were after-thoughts. Now ANet will do the smarter marketing trick of making expansions at the same time as the original......This is why the game is taking so long....Their making everything at once.

GW2 may be good.  Once you purchase the game and all it's expansions you will have it forever.  BUT don't think you are getting away cheap !!!!!!!

- Sub style

- F2P style

- B2P style

It's all the same............. Don't bother sayingDANet will never pull this

 

2 weeks and they will release and expansion?  Maybe a year or even 6 months for an adventure pack.

Originally posted by rdash

Originally posted by bigsmiff

Originally posted by 9ineven

Originally posted by bigsmiff

I really feel that OP's assumption is somewhat correct. Look at the current trend with gaming in general. Bioware has done the okie doke on people with ME3 but they sold record amounts of the game anyway. Diablo 3 is going to have a real money AH and yet people are slobbering in anticipation for it. Anet is seeing all of the hype over this game and I am sure they will capitalize on it somehow. Do you really think they care for their customers more than they do the almighty dollar?!

I predict a cash shop (more than fluff items eventually) in GW2 just like all of the current free to play titles because it makes them money...why would they not do it? I would imagine they have a fortune tied up in this game and they have to get their money back somehow...

 

 

Well NCSoft/Arenanet are not (yet ?) at the same level of greed where EA and Activision are right now.

Let's hope that doesn't change.

As I said...why would they not want to make the most money that they can? I am sure the same "sheep" that are said to be in other MMO's will be in GW2 as well.

Who said that aggressive CS is the way to make the most money? As you have probably noticed, it leaves bad taste and results in a lot of people quitting the game, which doesn't really work for B2P game that relies on expansion sales. Have you considered the possibility that fluff CS is actually the most profitable option for B2P model, and going more than fluff will actually net them less income?

This.

Never assume in life cos you will fk up big time because of your assumption.

Not sure ask or wait to play first then comment or bitch about it. 

Originally posted by palulalula

I know it long time ago that gw2 will be same old one in new clothes, specially now when i know that  Elder Oblivion goes online i cant see a reason to buy this game. And yes it is normal to earn money for your hard work, why you wonder about that- do you work for free or what?

Huh ? 

How does this make any sense ?

WTF is elder oblivion?

Originally posted by Voiidiin

Originally posted by palulalula

I know it long time ago that gw2 will be same old one in new clothes, specially now when i know that  Elder Oblivion goes online i cant see a reason to buy this game. And yes it is normal to earn money for your hard work, why you wonder about that- do you work for free or what?

Huh ? 

How does this make any sense ?

WTF is elder oblivion?

 

I think he means the TES mmorpg that is being going around as a rumour. Talk about a hype machine, the guy is already hyped for a game of which he knows nothing about.

Originally posted by palulalula

I know it long time ago that gw2 will be same old one in new clothes, specially now when i know that  Elder Oblivion goes online i cant see a reason to buy this game. And yes it is normal to earn money for your hard work, why you wonder about that- do you work for free or what?

 Yeah, why buy something, since you can sit around and wait 3-5 years for something that hasn't even started yet! 

Pssst....I got a scoop, Elder Oblivion MMO 2 will launch 6 years after the first one, you should wait for it, my inside guy said it will be MUCH better!

How do I run out fo content in -competitive- PvP? Did Starcraft ran out of content? Did CS ran out of content? 

How do I run out of content in WvWvW when every 2 weeks I get to face new people in huge territory control battles? 

Yes, sure, the PvE content will most likely be cleared by some noli-... hardcore players within month or two, but tell me how it's different in subscription based MMOs? Even the supposedly "best end game pve" MMO - WoW get's raids half cleared even before they hit live server, and who says I need to be "first" to do it? I don't have to, there is no major benefit of me rushing through the content, I can do PvP as soon as I'm done with intro/tutorial section.