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  DarthRaiden

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OP  3/12/12 5:20:06 PM#61
Originally posted by raistlinm

No it didn't turn out good but it certainly didn't get companies to compensate players for changing the game and to be honest i don't think that would be a good idea anyway.  we are supposed to be playing for fun it's not like work or shouldn't be.

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Thats not thinking of the future. 

Virtual property is the current step of the virtual evolution.  So many MMORPG's already doing it.. we almost there.

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  MadnessRealm

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3/12/12 5:55:44 PM#62
Originally posted by gainesvilleg

If AV does wipe the server it will be because there aren't enough veterans to prevent it.  Darkfall veterans need to be in larger numbers and more vocal, like in EVE, if they want to keep their massive advantage.  AV is probably calculating they will make more money by wiping and hoping to get new players because many of the supposedly PVP focussed games coming out are carebear games like GW2.

CCP with EVE calculated they would lose more by pissing off the veterans so that game will forever be run by the veterans.  Darkfall, unfortunately for its veterans, is probably not successful enough with the current crop of veterans to do that.  Their best hope is probably they will partition off a server that the vets can stay on, but then they will lose interest because there will be no more noobs to pick on.

 

 

I doubt Aventurine has calculated much. Their history shows the complete opposite unfortunetely. As far as listening to the playerbase, it feels like they're only listening with one ear. Aventurine's biggest flaws are their inability to understand the playerbase, predict player behaviors and throughly test features.  Their biggest failure being  of not having addressed the issue of players macro'ing their way to the top in the early stages of the game until 2 years later. The same goes with the Alignement system which has allowed some extremely ridiculous form of exploiting which were partly resolved 2 years later as well and in 2-3 different patches to boot because Aventurine completely forgot about several things (lawless areas, players having to avoid PvP for 50 days to regain positive alignement, etc).

 

So as far as calculating, AV aren't calculating. AV are betting that a wipe will bring new and ex players and keep them, at the cost of current veterans. Their action is a move of desperation,  a do or die type of action. If they had indeed listened to their playerbase, even a fraction of what CCP did with it's own, than DarkFall would be a much better game that would not require a wipe. Instead, they've chosen to repeatedly lie to their playerbase, and ended up contradicting themselves at every occasions. DF2.0 being one of them, the repetitive nature of previous updates as well, where it would repeatedly be told that a feature is finished and in final testing, and 5 months later an update would claim that the very same feature will enter final testing soon. This has been a recurring theme in AV's updates.

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  gainesvilleg

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3/12/12 6:24:37 PM#63
Originally posted by MadnessRealm
Originally posted by gainesvilleg

If AV does wipe the server it will be because there aren't enough veterans to prevent it.  Darkfall veterans need to be in larger numbers and more vocal, like in EVE, if they want to keep their massive advantage.  AV is probably calculating they will make more money by wiping and hoping to get new players because many of the supposedly PVP focussed games coming out are carebear games like GW2.

CCP with EVE calculated they would lose more by pissing off the veterans so that game will forever be run by the veterans.  Darkfall, unfortunately for its veterans, is probably not successful enough with the current crop of veterans to do that.  Their best hope is probably they will partition off a server that the vets can stay on, but then they will lose interest because there will be no more noobs to pick on.

 

 

I doubt Aventurine has calculated much. Their history shows the complete opposite unfortunetely. As far as listening to the playerbase, it feels like they're only listening with one ear. Aventurine's biggest flaws are their inability to understand the playerbase, predict player behaviors and throughly test features.  Their biggest failure being  of not having addressed the issue of players macro'ing their way to the top in the early stages of the game until 2 years later. The same goes with the Alignement system which has allowed some extremely ridiculous form of exploiting which were partly resolved 2 years later as well and in 2-3 different patches to boot because Aventurine completely forgot about several things (lawless areas, players having to avoid PvP for 50 days to regain positive alignement, etc).

 

So as far as calculating, AV aren't calculating. AV are betting that a wipe will bring new and ex players and keep them, at the cost of current veterans. Their action is a move of desperation,  a do or die type of action. If they had indeed listened to their playerbase, even a fraction of what CCP did with it's own, than DarkFall would be a much better game that would not require a wipe. Instead, they've chosen to repeatedly lie to their playerbase, and ended up contradicting themselves at every occasions. DF2.0 being one of them, the repetitive nature of previous updates as well, where it would repeatedly be told that a feature is finished and in final testing, and 5 months later an update would claim that the very same feature will enter final testing soon. This has been a recurring theme in AV's updates.

Yeah, total hack developers no doubt.  Wasn't really saying they were noble geniuses or anything.  And wasn't analyzing their earlier mistakes.  But the reality is no new players will join Darkfall at this point without something major changing.  As opposed to EVE which still sucks a few noobs in and EVE veterans continue to add more accounts.  CCP has the luxury of just making money off their existing base, which Darkfall doesn't really have.

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  DarthRaiden

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OP  3/13/12 7:06:44 AM#64
Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Yeah, total hack developers no doubt.  Wasn't really saying they were noble geniuses or anything.  And wasn't analyzing their earlier mistakes.  But the reality is no new players will join Darkfall at this point without something major changing.  As opposed to EVE which still sucks a few noobs in and EVE veterans continue to add more accounts.  CCP has the luxury of just making money off their existing base, which Darkfall doesn't really have.

So, lets wipe whenever we feel like we haven't enough customer ?is the message you want to send ? 

There was a time for CCP EvE didnt had the numbers of today should they have wiped ?  Hence every indi developer dont have the number and could use more of em, should they betray their current  customers ?  The people who actually pay thier subs ?

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  Norpan

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3/13/12 7:15:33 AM#65
Originally posted by DarthRaiden
Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Yeah, total hack developers no doubt.  Wasn't really saying they were noble geniuses or anything.  And wasn't analyzing their earlier mistakes.  But the reality is no new players will join Darkfall at this point without something major changing.  As opposed to EVE which still sucks a few noobs in and EVE veterans continue to add more accounts.  CCP has the luxury of just making money off their existing base, which Darkfall doesn't really have.

So, lets wipe whenever we feel like we haven't enough customer ?is the message you want to send ? 

There was a time for CCP EvE didnt had the numbers of today should they have wiped ?  Hence every indi developer dont have the number and could use more of em, should they betray their current  customers ?  The people who actually pay thier subs ?

This could be easily fixed. Keep DF as it is now. Let the once who cheated their way to get to the top stay in DF and have a ball, and make DF 2.0 a new game. If the peeps in DF 1.0 wanna try 2.0, let them do so. But at least give DF 2.0 a fresh start, and not draw the polluted macro cheaters from DF 1.0 over. Because most new people won´t play if there won´t be a wipe, or have DF 2.0 be a new game seperate from DF 1.0. I´m one of them.

  PheerMeeh

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3/17/12 11:56:51 PM#66

I'm pretty sure AV will wipe. They've said that with 2.0 wiping or not doesn't matter. Which means they will wipe, otherwise they wouldn't have even brought it up. Either way, wipe or not, I don't really care. If they wipe we all get a nice fresh start and a possible population boost at 2.0 launch. If they don't wipe, I get to keep my destroyer, which is pretty much maxed out.

If I had to choose... I WANT A DAMN WIPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  DarthRaiden

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OP  3/18/12 8:09:50 AM#67

Population droped because they don't clear this up.

 

Here a list of spell known from last update that stays same :

Mana Missile

Heal Self

Light

Beacon

Thats 4 out of 5 spells in that school, that 80% ..

Why wipe if 80% stays same ?  To punish you loyal customers ?  To reward the quitters ?  to reward the illoyal gamehopers who will leave again the moment they feel bored again ?

The company who don't reward loyalty  will fail and will turn on to you, who will benefit now, the next time, you will loose.

I don't recommend continue with this company if they wipe.

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  woza

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3/18/12 9:11:50 AM#68

It's quite simple.  AV can either:

a) Have a total wipe that will even the palying field and get new players into the game.  This will upset the 500 gankers still playing it of which 400 will still play DF2.0

or

b) Have no wipe and have potential new players (i.e me) avoid it and just wait for AA or another similar sandbox instead.

 

I know which one I'd choose.

Also.  Game wipes are a reality.  In every WoW expansion you're pretty much wiped with all your raid gear getting made redundant in a few levels and your gold stockpiles have the values decreased by inflation.  It happening in DF is not the end of the world.

  jdlamson75

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3/18/12 9:15:54 AM#69
Originally posted by woza

It's quite simple.  AV can either:

a) Have a total wipe that will even the palying field and get new players into the game.  This will upset the 500 gankers still playing it of which 400 will still play DF2.0

or

b) Have no wipe and have potential new players (i.e me) avoid it and just wait for AA or another similar sandbox instead.

 

I know which one I'd choose.

Also.  Game wipes are a reality.  In every WoW expansion you're pretty much wiped with all your raid gear getting made redundant in a few levels and your gold stockpiles have the values decreased by inflation.  It happening in DF is not the end of the world.

Pretty much hit the nail on the head.  Those who are still playing would be upset if their characters were wiped, and some of those would stop playing.  But in the grand scheme, what does a company really care about the few that were lost when a fresh start could potentially bring in more new players?  Probably a smart move on AV's part to just wipe it like a dirty butt.

  fivoroth

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3/18/12 9:15:54 AM#70
Originally posted by DarthRaiden
Originally posted by zephermarkus

if you were really playing it for the competition then a wipe woudn't bother u at all. U sound like one the zerg gankers to me!

I play MMORPGS because your progress get stored on the server else i would play FPS. I want my char to stay how i left him for my next gaming session. A very basic requirement for a MMORPG all MMORPG's fullfill without question. If for some reason i don't get my char like i left him the other day i want compensation and every MMORPG company  usually dont question this.

@caldrin Why is it that difficult for AV to come up with a stement  like

"you will keep everything what stays functional in DF 2.0"

and no they don't change everything, last update Tasos named some magic schools that stay for example, fire, water etc..

..since i can accept skills and items become absolet ...since they become so for EVERYONE..

But no..no information and AV ignores the wish of the community and their customers to clear this up..

As they are revamping the whole game in order to fix the mess they've created, I think that a wipe is the right move. They would either have to wipe the current characters or they could open up a new server for DF 2.0 and leave the current characters on the old server. The latter option is kinda stupid as most people will play on the new server and all the veterans will move to the new server instead of playing on their broken characters on a broken dead server. Then they will just have to manage 2 servers which is pointless.

If you are so unhappy with your character being wiped, what would you have them do?

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  TruthXHurts

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3/18/12 9:26:53 AM#71

I'll certainly check it out again IF they wipe. I have no desire to play in a world that has been forged by exploiters and 24/7 macroers.

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  jdlamson75

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3/18/12 9:36:55 AM#72

Why not just leave the EU and NA-1 servers alone and let those who don't want to lose their toons play amongst themselves in their shell of a sandbox, and make separate 2.0 servers?  New players get a new start, vets with maxxed out toons get to keep their maxxed out toons and millions of gold.

 

You're welcome, Tasos.  The consulting fee contract you never agreed to is attached to the bill, and they're in the mail.

  Norpan

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3/19/12 8:05:31 AM#73
Originally posted by jdlamson75

Why not just leave the EU and NA-1 servers alone and let those who don't want to lose their toons play amongst themselves in their shell of a sandbox, and make separate 2.0 servers?  New players get a new start, vets with maxxed out toons get to keep their maxxed out toons and millions of gold.

 

You're welcome, Tasos.  The consulting fee contract you never agreed to is attached to the bill, and they're in the mail.

 

I posted this some posts above, and someone maybe posted it before me. So I want in on the money. :P
  Moaky07

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4/01/12 1:42:01 AM#74

Make it themepark.....make it themepark!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Err sorry folks.....the "discussion" in the TOR forum is wearing me down.

 

 

After watching what happened with NGE, I have to wonder why any company would throw their customers out with the bath water. That is of course going with the notion that long time players wont be rewarded for the switch. Maybe give folks X amount of exp(or whatever) towards every skill built up or something similar. Five or 10 percent of money accumulated, or whatever proportion it works out to for value in new economy.

 

It doesnt give an "I win" scenario....simply a head start.

 

I really dont understand how you can have PVP in games that allow hacks. Seems rather pointless. It is a good thing if they are trying to do away with it all, but bad on them IMO if they forget those that supported them.

 

My 2 cents anyways from an outsider looking in.

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  xDayx

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4/01/12 1:49:01 AM#75
Originally posted by TruthXHurts

I'll certainly check it out again IF they wipe. I have no desire to play in a world that has been forged by exploiters and 24/7 macroers.

/this

 

  Realbigdeal

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4/01/12 8:14:55 PM#76
Originally posted by Moaky07

 

 

I really dont understand how you can have PVP in games that allow hacks. Seems rather pointless. It is a good thing if they are trying to do away with it all, but bad on them IMO if they forget those that supported them.

 

You could say the same thing for Lineage 2 and aion online. Theme parks are not always for the carebear crowd and if they are, ho god, it gets boring as hell really fast.

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  Anubisan

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4/13/12 10:52:36 AM#77

They should wipe it.

That is the only way many of us will give it another chance...

  General-Zod

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Kneel.

4/16/12 4:05:38 PM#78
Originally posted by Norpan
Originally posted by jdlamson75

Why not just leave the EU and NA-1 servers alone and let those who don't want to lose their toons play amongst themselves in their shell of a sandbox, and make separate 2.0 servers?  New players get a new start, vets with maxxed out toons get to keep their maxxed out toons and millions of gold.

 

You're welcome, Tasos.  The consulting fee contract you never agreed to is attached to the bill, and they're in the mail.

 

I posted this some posts above, and someone maybe posted it before me. So I want in on the money. :P

The only problem with that.... once they (vets) figure out that no new players are coming to their server alot of them will just reroll on the server with all the new players ... sounds like a waste of a server to me

  Snoepie

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4/16/12 5:42:50 PM#79

jeuh.. whipe or no whipe thread.. spreaded out to mmorpg.

 

Either way.. i hope they whipe..

 

And yes i am paying customer.. and my bankS are full / char is maxed..

 

I wish the old days will come back with 2.0 and if they whipe it all .. it will

 

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  DarthRaiden

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i make art,
till someone dies.

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OP  4/16/12 6:58:24 PM#80

I hope they wipe every second week, so that we get millions of new players instead of just thousands.

So yea i watch you all get wiped while i trust another company that values me as customer.  (it gives me also a reason not to bother ever again with this, because they didnt cleared it up i already play actively other MMO's for now)

wipe it !  i say wipe it  ! 

It doesn't also makes sense to sub and play till they wipe anyway so stay out of this.

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