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  GrumpyMel2

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3/16/12 12:47:32 PM#21
Originally posted by nariusseldon

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/09/mass-effect-ships-3-5-million-worldwide-890-000-sold-in-na-swt/

And I quote "The MMO currently has 1.7 million active subscribers. Those keeping score will remember that this is the same number EA reported last month. The important distinction is that now, according to Riccitiello, the "vast majority" of players have passed the free 30 day trial period that comes with new copies of the game, meaning they are now paying subscribers."

Oh, on a side note, Mass Effect 3 sold a ton 890k on launday day.

They said "Majority" last month too......when answering details about the earnings call

 

Gibeau ... "I can't tell you that the majority of the 1.7 million are paying subscribers for us currently, which is great considering"

 

Most people took the "CAN'T"  as a typo mistatement and that he actualy meant to say CAN....but I always maintained I wasn't so confident about that... spokesmen tend to be rather tricky/purposefull about thier wording.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4735868#4735868

 

 

  RefMinor

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3/16/12 12:48:32 PM#22
Originally posted by kalinis

Everyone talks about fanboi spin. But come on there is nothing like hater spin, They call the people at ea lyers, they claim the joystiq people just mis heard or mis interpreteted what was said.

They go out of there way to claim they have the real numbers and ea doesnt

Its all pretty funny. 

i was on at 2 am i was at fleet on an est server at est time and there were over 120 phases at fleet alone, I ran into about 30 people running around in my phase also.

so if this game is dying as some claim why is the population on fleet so high at an off hr? LOok im not saying tor is at 1.7 million subs right now,

Im just saying this game isnt down to 200k subs some claim or going free 2 playin a month. This game is doing pretty well and i dont see a max exodus of people that so many do. 

They may not have 1.7 million players on at once but that doesnt mean they dont have 1.7 million subs between all there regions at this time just because u hate this game.

 

No one is claiming 200k subs or even treble that bar one or two madmen. People are pointing out that EA have not claimed 1.7m but used weasel words to imply that, no one will know the truth until the q4 financial figures are out after the end of March sometime as those figures EA cannot spin.
  Gorilla

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3/16/12 12:50:29 PM#23

The only problem is the guy at joystiq has got it wrong. Quoting him just perpetuates a myth. The actual press release is at the biottom of his nonsence or you can read it direct from EA http://investor.ea.com/common/download/download.cfm?companyid=ERTS&fileid=551887&filekey=ca9480c7-3ca8-4472-bf6e-e85b4a135294&filename=655978.pdf notice no mention of SWToR subs. Lol I suppose.

  Omnifish

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3/16/12 12:51:15 PM#24
Originally posted by kalinis

Everyone talks about fanboi spin. But come on there is nothing like hater spin, They call the people at ea lyers, they claim the joystiq people just mis heard or mis interpreteted what was said.

They go out of there way to claim they have the real numbers and ea doesnt

Its all pretty funny. 

i was on at 2 am i was at fleet on an est server at est time and there were over 120 phases at fleet alone, I ran into about 30 people running around in my phase also.

so if this game is dying as some claim why is the population on fleet so high at an off hr? LOok im not saying tor is at 1.7 million subs right now,

Im just saying this game isnt down to 200k subs some claim or going free 2 playin a month. This game is doing pretty well and i dont see a max exodus of people that so many do. 

They may not have 1.7 million players on at once but that doesnt mean they dont have 1.7 million subs between all there regions at this time just because u hate this game.

To ge honest I left the, 'debate' after the whole, 'reviewers who agree with me are legit others who like it have been bought off', debacle.

Some people just can't accept other opinons are different then theres, so it's best just to leave them to it :P

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  DaRoamer

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3/16/12 12:51:32 PM#25
Originally posted by superniceguy

Something isn't right about the figures, Xfire and actual server populations are clearly dropping.

Why say 1.7 again? It would have more credibility if they said they had over 1.5 million. I just do not know what to think of these numbers.

 

Because sub numbers does not equal people playing.  I can only speak for my relatively small guild but during the first month we would have 20-30 people online at prime time, now it's 5 or 6, HOWEVER I know from reading on our forums that very people actually quit, they're just waiting for more content having done all the existing end game content a lot already.  Some also wanted to make more alts but are waiting for the Legacy system to do that.  So they're taking a break for now. 

Personally I've been through many MMO launches and I've learned there is never enough end game content so I took my time and just reached 50 last week so I still have a lot of content to get through.  As a PVE player I've discovered this past week that I really enjoy the PVP Warzones so I've been doing that quite a lot.  So much fun (when we don't run up against pre-mades).

  Sith2112

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3/16/12 12:55:51 PM#26

Really? Now arguing about game subscription rates and company financials?

What ever happened to just playing a game or not playing it because you don't enjoy it?

 

  kevjards

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3/16/12 1:00:45 PM#27

atm i,m on the weekend free trial..i,m one of the guys who played beta.population wise on the server i,m on or whatever you call it,there are people wherever i go questing.doing justicar quests atm,lvl 14..dont understand why the worry over how many subs this game has?if you like it play it,if you dont then dont play ,simples.

  Omnifish

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I'll kick your a**e so hard, you could build a swimming pool in the footprint!

3/16/12 1:06:10 PM#28
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by superniceguy
STO is good for its space (not as good as SWG but better than SWTOR), and also STO has a decent companion system too where you have Bridge Officers that support and act like droids on your ship in SWG, or join you in Away missions, and can have several with you at once, which satisfies my multi-boxing interest. You can also have Duty Officers which you then use to send on missions to acquire stuff and get XP. I was quite pleased to hear that SWTOR was going to have companions but are restricted to having one out at a time, so I think STO wins over SWTOR with the companion system too.

When did they implement that in STO? I played STO at launch and then a year later and the only thing companions were good for was landing parties. You didn't interact with them and they tended to be more of a pain than a help. Never once in TOR have I had to run back into a structure to "unstick" a companion. In STO I did it frequently.Unless STO has improved their companion system by leaps and bounds then it pales in comparison to what TOR offers. 

I do not hate SWTOR yet as there is still hope that LA/Bioware may sandbox SWTOR up a bit, considering LA shut down SWG to make way for SWTOR, to try and force SWG players into SWTOR. If SWG carried on for a bit longer and together with SWTOR without SWG pending closure, then SWTOR would have been viewed more so as a separate game in its own right, and there would be less desire to make it into SWG 2, but as SWG shut down right before SWTOR launched, SWG players had their game pulled from under them, with no adequte replacement, and SWTOR is only the only hope for trying to get it back, by adding SWG elements to SWTOR. If LA wants SWG players to move to SWTOR, then SWTOR needs to be beefed up, and not remain in its simplistic mediocre form.

 

Wrong and not even close. SWG vets were wanting this to be SWG 2 from the very moment that the game was first announced. When it was revealed that TOR was not going to be SWG part 2, the vets littered this forum for many months with their hate filled diatribes. This all happened LONG before the announcement of SWG's demise.

And once again, this is not the SWG forums. Please either let it go or take it to the proper forums.

Indeed we seriously don't need that torrent of rage again.  

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  Gorilla

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3/16/12 1:06:48 PM#29
Originally posted by Sith2112

Really? Now arguing about game subscription rates and company financials?

What ever happened to just playing a game or not playing it because you don't enjoy it?

 

Some people are interested in more than playing game 'x' and what topping to have on their next pizza.

Forum: A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged. ---- Clues right there.

 

  RefMinor

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3/16/12 1:09:32 PM#30
Originally posted by Sith2112

Really? Now arguing about game subscription rates and company financials?

What ever happened to just playing a game or not playing it because you don't enjoy it?

 

 

I guess you would need to ask the original poster why he dragged this week old story up again.
  Sith2112

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3/16/12 1:11:57 PM#31
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by Sith2112

Really? Now arguing about game subscription rates and company financials?

What ever happened to just playing a game or not playing it because you don't enjoy it?

 

 

I guess you would need to ask the original poster why he dragged this week old story up again.

 

Actually.. That was the intent. 

 

  RefMinor

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3/16/12 1:13:21 PM#32
Originally posted by Omnifish
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by superniceguy
STO is good for its space (not as good as SWG but better than SWTOR), and also STO has a decent companion system too where you have Bridge Officers that support and act like droids on your ship in SWG, or join you in Away missions, and can have several with you at once, which satisfies my multi-boxing interest. You can also have Duty Officers which you then use to send on missions to acquire stuff and get XP. I was quite pleased to hear that SWTOR was going to have companions but are restricted to having one out at a time, so I think STO wins over SWTOR with the companion system too.

When did they implement that in STO? I played STO at launch and then a year later and the only thing companions were good for was landing parties. You didn't interact with them and they tended to be more of a pain than a help. Never once in TOR have I had to run back into a structure to "unstick" a companion. In STO I did it frequently.Unless STO has improved their companion system by leaps and bounds then it pales in comparison to what TOR offers. 

I do not hate SWTOR yet as there is still hope that LA/Bioware may sandbox SWTOR up a bit, considering LA shut down SWG to make way for SWTOR, to try and force SWG players into SWTOR. If SWG carried on for a bit longer and together with SWTOR without SWG pending closure, then SWTOR would have been viewed more so as a separate game in its own right, and there would be less desire to make it into SWG 2, but as SWG shut down right before SWTOR launched, SWG players had their game pulled from under them, with no adequte replacement, and SWTOR is only the only hope for trying to get it back, by adding SWG elements to SWTOR. If LA wants SWG players to move to SWTOR, then SWTOR needs to be beefed up, and not remain in its simplistic mediocre form.

 

Wrong and not even close. SWG vets were wanting this to be SWG 2 from the very moment that the game was first announced. When it was revealed that TOR was not going to be SWG part 2, the vets littered this forum for many months with their hate filled diatribes. This all happened LONG before the announcement of SWG's demise.

And once again, this is not the SWG forums. Please either let it go or take it to the proper forums.

Indeed we seriously don't need that torrent of rage again.  

 

 

 

Originally posted by Omnifish

Some people just can't accept other opinons are different then theres, so it's best just to leave them to it :P

 

 

  User Deleted
3/16/12 1:15:13 PM#33

Anyone who takes at face value what a CEO says about the relative success of their product with such a huge investment shouldn't be trusted with a pair of scissors. It's like the Church of Scientology claiming 15 million+ members, a number which is noTORiously fluffed at least 10-20 fold by considering a member to be anyone who gets nudged into a 'church' and sold a book before never darkening their doors again. At the very least, you have to presume EA are statistically biased in favour of a number that will make investors happy. That said, I am sure they've doubled their investment at this stage so mission accomplished I guess.       

  Sith2112

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3/16/12 1:15:17 PM#34
Originally posted by Gorilla
Originally posted by Sith2112

Really? Now arguing about game subscription rates and company financials?

What ever happened to just playing a game or not playing it because you don't enjoy it?

 

Some people are interested in more than playing game 'x' and what topping to have on their next pizza.

Forum: A meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged. ---- Clues right there.

 

Agreed and understood.

But let'e be honest, discussing subscriptions is really a mute point. The game will do how the game will do. 

  Gorilla

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3/16/12 1:15:38 PM#35
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by Sith2112

Really? Now arguing about game subscription rates and company financials?

What ever happened to just playing a game or not playing it because you don't enjoy it?

 

 

I guess you would need to ask the original poster why he dragged this week old story up again.

In the defence of the OP I think he made the mistake of trusting the Joystiq article. There was a new press release Joystiq in quoting it and adding a couple of lines of commentary still managed to get it 'wrong'.

  RefMinor

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3/16/12 1:16:06 PM#36
Originally posted by Sith2112
Originally posted by RefMinor
Originally posted by Sith2112

Really? Now arguing about game subscription rates and company financials?

What ever happened to just playing a game or not playing it because you don't enjoy it?

 

 

I guess you would need to ask the original poster why he dragged this week old story up again.

 

Actually.. That was the intent. 

 

 

Still waiting for an answer to that, I asked earlier
  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

3/16/12 3:32:46 PM#37
Originally posted by ktanner3
Originally posted by superniceguy
STO is good for its space (not as good as SWG but better than SWTOR), and also STO has a decent companion system too where you have Bridge Officers that support and act like droids on your ship in SWG, or join you in Away missions, and can have several with you at once, which satisfies my multi-boxing interest. You can also have Duty Officers which you then use to send on missions to acquire stuff and get XP. I was quite pleased to hear that SWTOR was going to have companions but are restricted to having one out at a time, so I think STO wins over SWTOR with the companion system too.

When did they implement that in STO? I played STO at launch and then a year later and the only thing companions were good for was landing parties. You didn't interact with them and they tended to be more of a pain than a help. Never once in TOR have I had to run back into a structure to "unstick" a companion. In STO I did it frequently.Unless STO has improved their companion system by leaps and bounds then it pales in comparison to what TOR offers. 

I do not hate SWTOR yet as there is still hope that LA/Bioware may sandbox SWTOR up a bit, considering LA shut down SWG to make way for SWTOR, to try and force SWG players into SWTOR. If SWG carried on for a bit longer and together with SWTOR without SWG pending closure, then SWTOR would have been viewed more so as a separate game in its own right, and there would be less desire to make it into SWG 2, but as SWG shut down right before SWTOR launched, SWG players had their game pulled from under them, with no adequte replacement, and SWTOR is only the only hope for trying to get it back, by adding SWG elements to SWTOR. If LA wants SWG players to move to SWTOR, then SWTOR needs to be beefed up, and not remain in its simplistic mediocre form.

 

Wrong and not even close. SWG vets were wanting this to be SWG 2 from the very moment that the game was first announced. When it was revealed that TOR was not going to be SWG part 2, the vets littered this forum for many months with their hate filled diatribes. This all happened LONG before the announcement of SWG's demise.

And once again, this is not the SWG forums. Please either let it go or take it to the proper forums.

Dunno when Duty Officers was added was too busy playing SWG last year, It is in STO now

As for SWG that was not the point, and what is the harm in trying to get SWG stuff into SWTOR? These forums are the right place for it, unless SWG is coming back? LA have pushed me into SWTOR, and they may have taken me out of SWG, but they can not take SWG out of me, it is in me good and proper!

With SWG shutting down Dec 15th and SWTOR beginning Dec 20th, LA have basically said to me to quit SWG and play SWTOR, so I now look to SWTOR, but it is lacking in many key areas, so I now try and point out the good things, and hopefully the right people will hear, and add it. If SWG ran along side SWTOR for a while, then SWTOR would have been viewed as a separate different game on its own merits, and if I did not find SWTOR fulflling would not expect SWTOR to change to cater for SWG players, as SWG would have shut down due to actually being dead.

My views of SWG in the previous post was my opinion and people who played SWG to the end, and there are the vets you speak of who also wanted SWG 2. I did not care that SWTOR was not SWG 2 until SWG shut down, as SWTOR + SWG would have been an awesome combination, now that SWTOR is what it is and severely lacking in many areas and no where near a competant MMO, let alone not being a SWG 2, then it needs to shape up, hard and fast.

  rojo6934

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3/16/12 3:38:36 PM#38

i just wish i could see more people per area, instead of 50 people in Hutta, 97 people in Taris, etc....

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  Teala

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3/16/12 3:39:42 PM#39

I, for one, do not believe for one second that SWTOR's subs have stabilized at 1.7mil.  Anyone that believes that has partaken of better herbs than I ever have and I have had some really good stuff.  :)

  Nadia

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3/16/12 3:51:45 PM#40

this analyst prediction sounded reasonable to me

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-03-08-star-wars-the-old-republic-sitting-at-nearly-1-7-million-paid-subscribers

Cowen and Company analyst Doug Creutz is estimating 2 million monthly subscribers by the end of June 2012.

We also note that the company plans to launch Star Wars in the Asia-Pacific region later this month," Creutz said in a statement.

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