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  Doomedfox

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3/16/12 5:18:24 AM#41

I wasn't blown away by the ending it could have been better but in my opinion it wasn't  really as bad as many people say it is either.

Someone said it wouldn't make sense that the Reapers were created to kill organics so that synthetic lifeforms wouldn't kill the organics.If you do put it like that it does sound like a huge hole in the story but the fact was that the reapers were created to kill some organics (the ones advances enough to create the synthetic lifeforms) but not all where as if they would just let them live they would eventually create beings that would kill all organic being.

So i think it make somewhat sense the real problem here is why  would it happen all 50000 years that does not make any sense.

Someone else said that all the decisions and all the work you did it the games wouldn't matter since in the end its all about picking one of 3 switches so you could just have waited for them on Earth jump into the beam and hit the switch.

Well that is a rather stupid thing to say i am afraid for the whole scenario wouldn't even have happened if not for your actions before there wouldn't even have been the switches since no one would have worked on the Crucible and even if they would have worked on it without the help it wouldn't have been finished in time nor would there be enough ships to protect it while bringing it to earth hell the Citadel would not even be anywhere near earth if not for all the things you did working towards the end.

Like i said i don't think the ending was awesome but it was good enough and i am rather pleased we did not get one of the standard Happy Endings.

 

  Krasnij

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3/16/12 5:30:13 AM#42

I have to replay ME1 since i want to know if the VI on Ilos doesnt state that the Reaper destroy every organic lifeform, not only the advanced ones, the protheon in Me3 states that he knew asari and turian when they were just evolving, funny, but he never saw the citadel itself and said he was born in a time the reaper already attacked, doesnt sound any logic to me.. going on sightseein on younger races while defending from the reaper attacks?? come on, to many plotholes and unlogic statements.

 

until me3 i thought the reaper would destroy any organic life they find... and that organic life just evolves from scratch every time.. so by the time the reaper whiped out the prothean empire, we humans wouldnt even exist.

 

like a dalek im confused, why no logic, explain!! or just exterminate...

  dinams

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3/16/12 5:33:41 AM#43

http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/

 

/thread

Its not as simple as happy ending/sad ending

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  Naowut

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3/16/12 5:44:04 AM#44

Was just a bad game compared to ME2.

I felt like I couldnt make the choices I wanted to make and I never had that feeling in ME2.

Most choices didnt have any effect at all. ME3 was based on your ME2 save, not on the choices you made during the game. IMO. bad, bad, bad.

  dubyahite

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3/16/12 6:50:11 AM#45
So I've only done the "best" ending so far, so I may be way off, but I deinitwly see consequences in the endings.

If you don't save Anderson you can't live at the end correct?

The war assets play a part too right? I mean the difference between Savin Earth and it getting completely destroyed seems like a big difference to me.


Sure it isn't perfect, and I really wish they would have locked off one of the options at the end based on your paragon/renegade status.

That would at least add some value to your decisions. Like a paragon couldn't do the renegade but both could take the neutral.

In that sense, the paragon Shepard would always die (assuming the same endings) no matter what.

That would be a bit more interesting.

If you think about the endings, they fit this. Destroying all synthetic life is very "renegade." he's willing to get the job done at any cost. That's why Anderson is shown doing the renegade thing. The renegade sees the mission he originally set out for and will sacrifice anything to complete that mission.


Allowing the paragon to make this choice doesn't make sense. He is willing to listen to all sides of the story and is open minded. He can admit he was wrong and take the control choice. The full renegade would never do this.



I think that blocking these endings off based on rep but allowing the synthesis to go either way would make these endings more compelling. It would a least validate all of the choices you made throughout the series.


Meh I'm tired. Time to stop rambling.

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  Treekodar

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3/16/12 6:57:11 AM#46
I myself liked the ending I got. I guess people don't like the fact that the ending is pretty much the same, regardless of your choices.

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  Jimmy562

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3/16/12 7:33:37 AM#47

I believe in the indoctrination theory personally and by that I think the games "ending" is brilliant.

The main thing that makes me believe that theory is simply the kid and the normandy crash landing with people getting out (the exact people I was running down the hill with, except joker obviously).

It could all be bad writing on Biowares part but I'd like to believe the theory is true and shepard isn't done just yet. 

  Treekodar

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3/16/12 7:41:36 AM#48
Originally posted by Jimmy562

I believe in the indoctrination theory personally and by that I think the games "ending" is brilliant.

The main thing that makes me believe that theory is simply the kid and the normandy crash landing with people getting out (the exact people I was running down the hill with, except joker obviously).

It could all be bad writing on Biowares part but I'd like to believe the theory is true and shepard isn't done just yet. 

 

I just read about that theory. Oh my God did that blow me away.
Furthermore, if the endings as they stand are fake, then the resulting vitriol regarding them may well have been planned. Think about that one for a minute — BioWare might have manipulated us into hating the ending of the game. In essence, BioWare would have indoctrinated just about every Mass Effect player into thinking, like Shepard, that the events as they stand are what happened, when that assumption is actually untrue. It wasn’t just Shepard, a cartoon you control, who was indoctrinated — you were indoctrinated, forced to make the Reapers’ choices just as he was, whether you wanted to or not.

Eleanor Rigby.

  dronfwar

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3/16/12 7:49:00 AM#49
Originally posted by Treekodar
Originally posted by Jimmy562

I believe in the indoctrination theory personally and by that I think the games "ending" is brilliant.

The main thing that makes me believe that theory is simply the kid and the normandy crash landing with people getting out (the exact people I was running down the hill with, except joker obviously).

It could all be bad writing on Biowares part but I'd like to believe the theory is true and shepard isn't done just yet. 

 

I just read about that theory. Oh my God did that blow me away.
Furthermore, if the endings as they stand are fake, then the resulting vitriol regarding them may well have been planned. Think about that one for a minute — BioWare might have manipulated us into hating the ending of the game. In essence, BioWare would have indoctrinated just about every Mass Effect player into thinking, like Shepard, that the events as they stand are what happened, when that assumption is actually untrue. It wasn’t just Shepard, a cartoon you control, who was indoctrinated — you were indoctrinated, forced to make the Reapers’ choices just as he was, whether you wanted to or not.

ahh those bioware trolls

it's two days olds

http://www.gamefront.com/rumor-mass-effect-3-dlc-the-truth-due-in-april/

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  thexrated

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3/16/12 7:49:51 AM#50

I was satisfied with the ending. It was very clever ending. A huge decision.

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  Ceridith

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3/16/12 7:50:42 AM#51
Originally posted by Treekodar
Originally posted by Jimmy562

I believe in the indoctrination theory personally and by that I think the games "ending" is brilliant.

The main thing that makes me believe that theory is simply the kid and the normandy crash landing with people getting out (the exact people I was running down the hill with, except joker obviously).

It could all be bad writing on Biowares part but I'd like to believe the theory is true and shepard isn't done just yet. 

 

I just read about that theory. Oh my God did that blow me away.
Furthermore, if the endings as they stand are fake, then the resulting vitriol regarding them may well have been planned. Think about that one for a minute — BioWare might have manipulated us into hating the ending of the game. In essence, BioWare would have indoctrinated just about every Mass Effect player into thinking, like Shepard, that the events as they stand are what happened, when that assumption is actually untrue. It wasn’t just Shepard, a cartoon you control, who was indoctrinated — you were indoctrinated, forced to make the Reapers’ choices just as he was, whether you wanted to or not.

It's the likely case that Bioware knowingly screwed up ME3's out of the box ending so they can later provide the real ending... for a price.

In otherwords, when you bought ME3, you were sold an incomplete game for $60 (more if you got the day one DLC or collector's edition).

  Darkway

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3/16/12 7:56:57 AM#52

For me at least ,the endings offer nothing but question marks,theres obviously more...so the end,simply is not the end...which naturally leaves me feeling fustrated,pissed off and wanting more (Shepard is still breathing in one ending).I'm equally not happy with the mass relay system going down as it destroy's the galatic community,the game as we know it can not work with out this relay system.....so technically it brings an end to gallatic travel in the franchise.

As we live in the age of DLC I hope that the answers will be provided (at a cost,naturally) but part of me does wonder why Bioware produced the endings as they are,if they planed to flesh out the endings via DLC then why not just present the endings in such a way.......the Normandy mid mass relay travel just did not make any sense,where did that come from?

If shepard died...fine.....mass relay gone.....fine.....but including extra scenes that conflict with these endings or hint at unknown aspects of the finale are obviouly going to leave people like me unsatisfied.I don't even know if DLC would be valid with out shepard being in it,I have zero interest in new skins or map packs for the multiplayer,even exploring the Normandy crash site seems irrelevant with the mass relay gone,no way to get home.

Ironically I saw a youtube ending which showed Joker stepping out of the crashed Normandy,then out pops EDI and then Liara.......I couldn't help wondering,how come my Shepard died to save the known galaxy and Joker gets marooned on a planet paridise with two sexy babes....... Jokers ending at least turned out pretty sweet.

....a terrific franchise,a license to make money for Bioware/EA,gotta wonder why they ended it in such a way.

  AdamTM

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3/16/12 7:57:03 AM#53
Originally posted by dronfwar
 

"All that content, and this might as well be labeled an expansion pack." 

"And it's free"

 

EA -> free expansion pack

 

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

  fenistil

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3/16/12 7:57:24 AM#54

First of all for me ending is just 'nail in the coffin'.

ME3 has many many flaws and is overally designed in wrong way for me.

 

BW just went even further with making game more actiony & "cinematic" and less rpg.

Not to mention hideous animations , and few really bad scenes / dialogues + even bigger streamlining & simplification of game than in ME2.

 

Besides I think they'll release another ending as DLC and start new strategy of 'making better quality endings as DLC's for extra money' which is sickening me personally and I don't want to have nothing to do with it and I'll definately don't support it and any of their further game if they do it.

  Jimmy562

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3/16/12 8:04:28 AM#55
Originally posted by Ceridith
Originally posted by Treekodar
Originally posted by Jimmy562

I believe in the indoctrination theory personally and by that I think the games "ending" is brilliant.

The main thing that makes me believe that theory is simply the kid and the normandy crash landing with people getting out (the exact people I was running down the hill with, except joker obviously).

It could all be bad writing on Biowares part but I'd like to believe the theory is true and shepard isn't done just yet. 

 

I just read about that theory. Oh my God did that blow me away.
Furthermore, if the endings as they stand are fake, then the resulting vitriol regarding them may well have been planned. Think about that one for a minute — BioWare might have manipulated us into hating the ending of the game. In essence, BioWare would have indoctrinated just about every Mass Effect player into thinking, like Shepard, that the events as they stand are what happened, when that assumption is actually untrue. It wasn’t just Shepard, a cartoon you control, who was indoctrinated — you were indoctrinated, forced to make the Reapers’ choices just as he was, whether you wanted to or not.

It's the likely case that Bioware knowingly screwed up ME3's out of the box ending so they can later provide the real ending... for a price.

In otherwords, when you bought ME3, you were sold an incomplete game for $60 (more if you got the day one DLC or collector's edition).

I enjoyed it. Complete or not I got my moneys worth.

  User Deleted
3/16/12 8:29:46 AM#56
Originally posted by Treekodar
Originally posted by Jimmy562

I believe in the indoctrination theory personally and by that I think the games "ending" is brilliant.

The main thing that makes me believe that theory is simply the kid and the normandy crash landing with people getting out (the exact people I was running down the hill with, except joker obviously).

It could all be bad writing on Biowares part but I'd like to believe the theory is true and shepard isn't done just yet. 

 

I just read about that theory. Oh my God did that blow me away.
Furthermore, if the endings as they stand are fake, then the resulting vitriol regarding them may well have been planned. Think about that one for a minute — BioWare might have manipulated us into hating the ending of the game. In essence, BioWare would have indoctrinated just about every Mass Effect player into thinking, like Shepard, that the events as they stand are what happened, when that assumption is actually untrue. It wasn’t just Shepard, a cartoon you control, who was indoctrinated — you were indoctrinated, forced to make the Reapers’ choices just as he was, whether you wanted to or not.

It does indeed look like Bioware is gearing up for a mssive troll.  Something is going on for sure.

 

 

People saying the indoctrination thoery is bunk weren't paying antention to their game. It may not be 100% correct but it is the only theory in which so much of it adds up.  It amazes me there are people who outright dismiss it.  Maybe it was easier to spot a lot of this playing a paragon,I don't know. 

But to just dimiss it all......   Not only were these players not paying attention to the game, they are saying Bioware completely ignored everything they had written and done up to that point with the game / games as well...

IN Mass Effect 3 alone:

What happened to Cerberus, TIM, was enough to rule out control.  If watching what happened to Cerberus prior to the ending events wasn't enough to make someone go "Two of those options sound fishy." 

What was  Javiks take on synthesis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl-BBeC5KFo&feature=related

 

-The faint radio message that tells us no one got onboard.  Yet who was there?

-The reaper who ignored us as we walked on through the hall once onboard.

-Shepards team getting back to the Normandy for the crash landing.

-Shepard's body taking a breath. Not to mention the location of his body.

 

This post shows a few other things.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4826577/postAction/reply/quote/true

There's many more posts pointing out solid information linking ingame consistencies with the theory.  Not just one or two things.  The forums are being hammered so hard it's a real task just to keep up with it all. 

  iceman00

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3/16/12 9:29:18 AM#57
Originally posted by Doomedfox

I wasn't blown away by the ending it could have been better but in my opinion it wasn't  really as bad as many people say it is either.

Someone said it wouldn't make sense that the Reapers were created to kill organics so that synthetic lifeforms wouldn't kill the organics.If you do put it like that it does sound like a huge hole in the story but the fact was that the reapers were created to kill some organics (the ones advances enough to create the synthetic lifeforms) but not all where as if they would just let them live they would eventually create beings that would kill all organic being.

So i think it make somewhat sense the real problem here is why  would it happen all 50000 years that does not make any sense.

Someone else said that all the decisions and all the work you did it the games wouldn't matter since in the end its all about picking one of 3 switches so you could just have waited for them on Earth jump into the beam and hit the switch.

Well that is a rather stupid thing to say i am afraid for the whole scenario wouldn't even have happened if not for your actions before there wouldn't even have been the switches since no one would have worked on the Crucible and even if they would have worked on it without the help it wouldn't have been finished in time nor would there be enough ships to protect it while bringing it to earth hell the Citadel would not even be anywhere near earth if not for all the things you did working towards the end.

Like i said i don't think the ending was awesome but it was good enough and i am rather pleased we did not get one of the standard Happy Endings.

 


The problem with the "we created a race of sythentics to wipe out organics so they don't make synthetics which wipe out organics", outside of the "why does that happen every 50k years", is that especially if Shepard went out of the way to broker a peace between the geth and the quarian.  You are told by this that your choice didn't matter.

As far as "well that is a rather stupid thing to say, everything you did to get up to the ending had an impact" you are sorta making the point of critics.  The ending has no relation to the choices you made before.  You make choices to arrive at the ending.  Which I suppose would be fine, had Bioware not loudly proclaimed they weren't going to do that.  They specifically stated "we won't have an A B C ending."  We got precisely an A B C ending, and the A B C ending all ends the same way "mass relays are destroyed, Joker abandons his post."

We aren't looking for a "happy" ending.  I'd be fine with Commander Shepard dying.  Yet at least have it make sense.

  Atlan99

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3/16/12 11:28:40 AM#58
Originally posted by JayBirdz
 

 

 

People saying the indoctrination thoery is bunk weren't paying antention to their game. It may not be 100% correct but it is the only theory in which so much of it adds up.  It amazes me there are people who outright dismiss it.  Maybe it was easier to spot a lot of this playing a paragon,I don't know. 

But to just dimiss it all......   Not only were these players not paying attention to the game, they are saying Bioware completely ignored everything they had written and done up to that point with the game / games as well...

IN Mass Effect 3 alone:

What happened to Cerberus, TIM, was enough to rule out control.  If watching what happened to Cerberus prior to the ending events wasn't enough to make someone go "Two of those options sound fishy." 

What was  Javiks take on synthesis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl-BBeC5KFo&feature=related

 

-The faint radio message that tells us no one got onboard.  Yet who was there?

-The reaper who ignored us as we walked on through the hall once onboard.

-Shepards team getting back to the Normandy for the crash landing.

-Shepard's body taking a breath. Not to mention the location of his body.

 

This post shows a few other things.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4826577/postAction/reply/quote/true

There's many more posts pointing out solid information linking ingame consistencies with the theory.  Not just one or two things.  The forums are being hammered so hard it's a real task just to keep up with it all. 

A lot of people don't see it because they don't want to admit they got fooled and were complaining for the wrong reasons. They have been complaining that the ending sucks when they should be complaining that there was no ending. This was all a cash grab and publcity stunt by Bioware.

Bioware is probably running the retake Mass Effect 3 movement. What is the movement asking for? A new ending to ME3. If Bioware already made an ending and planned to release it as DLC then this doesn't affect them negativiely.

It's actually an ingenious diabolical plan.

  Moaky07

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3/16/12 12:07:49 PM#59
Originally posted by iceman00
Originally posted by gainesvilleg

My primary problem with the ending is it didn't reflect the war assets you were assembling over the entire game.  I would expect different aspects to the ending depending on specifically which war assets you gathered.  It was just lazy of them to use an aggregate "score" to determine the endings.  That was my main problem.  Other than that though I really enjoyed ME3.  If you bothered to dialogue with the NPCs throughout it really sucked you in emotionally.  It made me sad saying the goodbyes for instance right before the final push LOL.

And it is what made the ending worse.  I don't want to hear synthetics and organics will inevitably always war.  I just brokered peace between the quarian and the geth, and dammit, it wasn't easy.  There was a ton of emotional buildup and absolutely no payoff whatsoever.

Yes it was....we wimply(EDIT no not "wimply"....just "simply" EDIT) needed a high enough paragon level. :P

 

I couldnt stand the ending, but I wanted the "Lets dance" mega happy ending. When you take the time to play thru all 3 games, do all the content, and develop a connection with your characters, you sure dont wanna see the quick flash of them walking out onto a planet, and calling it a series.

 

As someone else indicated....no closure. Forget the fact that the Reapers explanation was a convaluted mess.....BW should of knew fans would need more than that few seconds of folks exiting the Normandy.

 

The proverbial "arrow to their knee" would be extreme, but I could go for giving them a "spitball to the nose".

Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.

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3/16/12 12:55:51 PM#60
Originally posted by Moaky07
Originally posted by iceman00
Originally posted by gainesvilleg

My primary problem with the ending is it didn't reflect the war assets you were assembling over the entire game.  I would expect different aspects to the ending depending on specifically which war assets you gathered.  It was just lazy of them to use an aggregate "score" to determine the endings.  That was my main problem.  Other than that though I really enjoyed ME3.  If you bothered to dialogue with the NPCs throughout it really sucked you in emotionally.  It made me sad saying the goodbyes for instance right before the final push LOL.

And it is what made the ending worse.  I don't want to hear synthetics and organics will inevitably always war.  I just brokered peace between the quarian and the geth, and dammit, it wasn't easy.  There was a ton of emotional buildup and absolutely no payoff whatsoever.

Yes it was....we wimply(EDIT no not "wimply"....just "simply" EDIT) needed a high enough paragon level. :P

 

I couldnt stand the ending, but I wanted the "Lets dance" mega happy ending. When you take the time to play thru all 3 games, do all the content, and develop a connection with your characters, you sure dont wanna see the quick flash of them walking out onto a planet, and calling it a series.

 

As someone else indicated....no closure. Forget the fact that the Reapers explanation was a convaluted mess.....BW should of knew fans would need more than that few seconds of folks exiting the Normandy.

 

The proverbial "arrow to their knee" would be extreme, but I could go for giving them a "spitball to the nose".

I used to be a Mass Effect fan like you, then I had to choose between red, green, or blue.

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