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  Morden

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3/15/12 10:50:51 AM#41
Originally posted by Purutzil

Does it deserve the wrath of its haters? No

 

Does it deserve the praise of its fans too? No

 

It doesn't deserve either, its just medocrity.

Well said.

  User Deleted
3/15/12 11:09:20 AM#42
Originally posted by Purutzil

Does it deserve the wrath of its haters? No

 

Does it deserve the praise of its fans too? No

 

It doesn't deserve either, its just medocrity.

 

 

I disagree. Whoever was in charge of development spent MILLIONS of hard-earned dollars/Euros for nothing. When that much money goes to waste, people lose their jobs and their credibility for future positions.

All of that money could have gone to something actually good, or to a different part of the industry to produce a superior product.

The whole point of invesment is to get a return on your money by producing a superior good. Neither the investors, nor the consumers benefited from this project and it's sad to see.

 

  ButeoRegalis

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3/15/12 11:09:26 AM#43



Originally posted by Yamota
The fact that people who criticize the game are labeled as "haters" shows how biased the article is.


...or, it could be hyperbole. But yea, lumping all critics into the hater group is uncalled for and ridiculous, just as it would be to claim all critics of TOR are reasonable, even-keeled and deserve the same amount of attention.

Have people has sky-high and unrealistic expectations? Yes. (comparing TOR in size and endgame to today's 8-year old WoW - really?!?)
Does TOR deserve a lot of criticism? Yes. (Ilum, persistent bugs, non-customizable UI, rudimentary GTN, Huttball every time all the time, Ilum)
Has some of the justified criticism over time morphed into unjustified criticism? Yes. (failed design?)
Can TOR be "fixed"? Probably. We'll have to see if BW will be given the time to fix it. 1.2 is the second step in that direction and will add a bunch of things to the mix. In the guild meeting they announced a couple things that address some of the criticism (e.g. "Rebel Assault"-type space combat), so they are at least acknowledging the issue and we'll have to wait and see if they can really add Tie Fighter vs X-Wing to TOR.

I'm still having fun and I'll probably keep playing, at least until day 1 of GW2 early access.

  ButeoRegalis

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3/15/12 11:24:39 AM#44



Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

I disagree. Whoever was in charge of development spent MILLIONS of hard-earned dollars/Euros for nothing. When that much money goes to waste, people lose their jobs and their credibility for future positions.


Yes. Unless you are a Wallstreet big-shot or Uwe Boll. Then, failures just seem to enhance your resume.



All of that money could have gone to something actually good, or to a different part of the industry to produce a superior product.
The whole point of invesment is to get a return on your money by producing a superior good. Neither the investors, nor the consumers benefited from this project and it's sad to see.
 


No, investing (for a return on your money) has nothing to do with superior products. Superior products can lead to a good return on your money, but that's neither necessary nor sufficient. Otherwise Walmart would be out of business and we'd all have roofs covered in solar cells.

Whether investors will benefit will depend on subscriber numbers and we'll know in a few months whether the development cost has been recouped. Everyone shouting right now about TOR going free-to-play next week or closing down by the end of the month is just shouting for attention. Those numbers will also show whether consumers are happy with the product. Everyone still subbing to TOR after the included-in-purchase time period is happy enough with the game to pay $15 for another month.

  Yamota

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3/15/12 11:45:35 AM#45
Originally posted by ButeoRegalis

 



Originally posted by Yamota
The fact that people who criticize the game are labeled as "haters" shows how biased the article is.



...or, it could be hyperbole. But yea, lumping all critics into the hater group is uncalled for and ridiculous, just as it would be to claim all critics of TOR are reasonable, even-keeled and deserve the same amount of attention.

 

Yeah but the article goes as far as saying that some people has some personal vendetta against Bioware and that is just ridicilous. I don't give a rats ass about Bioware, I just feel that this game underperforms in many areas. However my expectations were higher because of the Bioware label, but that is not the same thing as having a personal vendetta.

  jacklo

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3/15/12 11:45:42 AM#46
Originally posted by ButeoRegalis

 



Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

I disagree. Whoever was in charge of development spent MILLIONS of hard-earned dollars/Euros for nothing. When that much money goes to waste, people lose their jobs and their credibility for future positions.



Yes. Unless you are a Wallstreet big-shot or Uwe Boll. Then, failures just seem to enhance your resume.

 

 



All of that money could have gone to something actually good, or to a different part of the industry to produce a superior product.
The whole point of invesment is to get a return on your money by producing a superior good. Neither the investors, nor the consumers benefited from this project and it's sad to see.
 



No, investing (for a return on your money) has nothing to do with superior products. Superior products can lead to a good return on your money, but that's neither necessary nor sufficient. Otherwise Walmart would be out of business and we'd all have roofs covered in solar cells.

 

Whether investors will benefit will depend on subscriber numbers and we'll know in a few months whether the development cost has been recouped. Everyone shouting right now about TOR going free-to-play next week or closing down by the end of the month is just shouting for attention. Those numbers will also show whether consumers are happy with the product. Everyone still subbing to TOR after the included-in-purchase time period is happy enough with the game to pay $15 for another month.

Not really.

There's a reasonable percentage of people for whom $15 a month is nothing and will continue to pay for some time afterwards, despite no longer playing the game.

There's another group of people, usually minors, whose parents continue to pay the monthly sub yet the kid got bored and only played the first month.

Then there's those who just can't be bothered to un-sub, not to mention the mysteriously disappearing "cancel subscription" button fiasco.

Finally there are those who picked up a longer subscription for the discount.

None of these are necessarily "happy with the game".

  Artymus77

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3/15/12 11:50:26 AM#47

i think that TOR does deserve any kind of opinions that is out there.  Everyone has a right to express what they think or not think that is good or bad about the game.  As for me i like it not only as a SW fan but i am enjoying playing it as well.  If other people dont like it, dont play it i could personaly give a crap if you do or dont but your opinion should be respected.

  Artymus77

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3/15/12 11:53:58 AM#48
Originally posted by FrostWyrm
Originally posted by Dahkot72

They put in a broken world pvp system , broke it worse with each patch , and halfway have admitted they don't know what they are doing and are abondoning Illum and world pvp for the forseeable future.

If they will refund 2/3 of my 3 month sub pass I paid for I'll stop "hating". Till then I enjoy using my sub money to enrage the fanbois on the official forums. 

[mod edit]

now this crap i dont understand, why pay for a sub that your not gonna play bu[mod edit] to ones that actually enjoy playing it, im sorry but that is just stupid.  But its your money you do wthat ever you want.

  goldiewilson

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3/15/12 12:19:58 PM#49
Originally posted by Dahkot72

They put in a broken world pvp system , broke it worse with each patch , and halfway have admitted they don't know what they are doing and are abondoning Illum and world pvp for the forseeable future.

If they will refund 2/3 of my 3 month sub pass I paid for I'll stop "hating". Till then I enjoy using my sub money to enrage the fanbois on the official forums. 

Yet the Gamespy "review" if thats what you call it chose ignore all that. I also love how they embrace the negative parts of the game as things you should embrace lol. Space on rails why so angry, space on rails goooood, EA do good job on space rail. They sound like their trying to peddle bad Chinese fast food to tourists from Iceland. For some reason the LeBron James should I be sorry advertisement comes to mind.

Lets go over the negatives, space on rails, BAD pvp mechanics, bad pvp implementation, lack of content, lack of non linear gameplay, in some cases player bans for not being linear enough, dead worlds, horrible npcs, non immersive, the WOW themepark style destroys the Star Wars feel, sorry mailboxes and getting lightsaber drops off mobs, give me a break. BOTS BOTS BOTS plauge the game on EVERY level, pvp bots, companion automation bots, targeting, you name it theres a bot for it and people are using them. Companions in pvp, also another bad call, cover system hahahhaha right.  And the so called review manages to selectively forget all of that and concentrate on why players should feel guilty for not enjoying the horrible game.

 

We hear the excuses, usually from fanbois, things like " I'm having fun" are said often, however there is no I in WE and until a large segment of the people who actually bought the game resub your personal obsession with Bioware is meaningless. I still say at the 6 month mark this is a 300k game. I doubt it will have the sub retention of AION, which has much better mechanics btw. When GW2 and Secret world hit the shelves you can hang it up, GW2 alone might bury this pos.

  PyrateLV

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3/15/12 12:30:54 PM#50

I think alot of the "wrath" and "hate" is really just severe disappointement.

SWTOR is just a mediocre game when it could have been, should have been so much more.

With the depth of not only the StarWars IP, but The Old Republic lore and they develop such a shallow, linear game out of it?

EABioware took an OCEAN of an IP and made a Kiddie Pool

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  cinos

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3/15/12 12:34:57 PM#51
Originally posted by Artymus77
Originally posted by FrostWyrm
Originally posted by Dahkot72

They put in a broken world pvp system , broke it worse with each patch , and halfway have admitted they don't know what they are doing and are abondoning Illum and world pvp for the forseeable future.

If they will refund 2/3 of my 3 month sub pass I paid for I'll stop "hating". Till then I enjoy using my sub money to enrage the fanbois on the official forums. 

[mod edit]

now this crap i dont understand, why pay for a sub that your not gonna play but[mod edit] to ones that actually enjoy playing it, im sorry but that is just stupid.  But its your money you do wthat ever you want.

Isn't it clear that Dahkot72 purchased a 3 month sub outright because he expected to be playing the game that long? He can't get his money back and doesn't want to play the game anymore, hence why he hates.

Seemed pretty clear to me and yet you two both seem to misunderstand. :p

  Autorock

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3/15/12 12:36:50 PM#52

Hey guys guess what?

I still like this game...and so does my girlfriend...and so do 4 of my other friends...

Just figured i'd speak out as the apparent minority, that never voices our facetious opinions on here due to the fact that we're all just too busy playing the old republic.

  User Deleted
3/15/12 12:37:59 PM#53
Originally posted by ButeoRegalis

 





No, investing (for a return on your money) has nothing to do with superior products. Superior products can lead to a good return on your money, but that's neither necessary nor sufficient. Otherwise Walmart would be out of business and we'd all have roofs covered in solar cells.

 

Whether investors will benefit will depend on subscriber numbers and we'll know in a few months whether the development cost has been recouped. Everyone shouting right now about TOR going free-to-play next week or closing down by the end of the month is just shouting for attention. Those numbers will also show whether consumers are happy with the product. Everyone still subbing to TOR after the included-in-purchase time period is happy enough with the game to pay $15 for another month.

 

You're missing the point. The investors DIDN'T make a good return on this product.

 

Walmart is one of the most efficient businesses on the planet; MOST companies cannot run on the margins they do, because they precisely sell things that consumers consider at least as valuable as their corresponding prices.

 

From an economic perspective, it was a waste, because BOTH the consumer AND the company incurred losses.

 

From a financial perspective, it was a waste, because the company incurred losses.

 

There is no way to look at this game and say it was worth anybody's time or effort. They could have bought Greek bonds and been far better off (some people actually did this).

 

 

  FrostWyrm

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3/15/12 12:39:00 PM#54
Originally posted by cinos
Originally posted by Artymus77
Originally posted by FrostWyrm
Originally posted by Dahkot72

They put in a broken world pvp system , broke it worse with each patch , and halfway have admitted they don't know what they are doing and are abondoning Illum and world pvp for the forseeable future.

If they will refund 2/3 of my 3 month sub pass I paid for I'll stop "hating". Till then I enjoy using my sub money to enrage the fanbois on the official forums. 

[mod edit]

now this crap i dont understand, why pay for a sub that your not gonna play but j[mod edit] to ones that actually enjoy playing it, im sorry but that is just stupid.  But its your money you do wthat ever you want.

Isn't it clear that Dahkot72 purchased a 3 month sub outright because he expected to be playing the game that long? He can't get his money back and doesn't want to play the game anymore, hence why he hates.

Seemed pretty clear to me and yet you two both seem to misunderstand. :p

Sooo, it still boils down to poor money management. Especially when SWTOR, like most P2P MMOs with a box price, comes with a 30 day free trial with the box purchase.

I bought the box, played my free trial, discovered the game was not my thing, and didn't pay a penny more. No one to blame but himself for that one.

  Omali

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3/15/12 12:41:15 PM#55
Originally posted by FrostWyrm
Originally posted by cinos
Originally posted by Artymus77
Originally posted by FrostWyrm
Originally posted by Dahkot72

They put in a broken world pvp system , broke it worse with each patch , and halfway have admitted they don't know what they are doing and are abondoning Illum and world pvp for the forseeable future.

If they will refund 2/3 of my 3 month sub pass I paid for I'll stop "hating". Till then I enjoy using my sub money to enrage the fanbois on the official forums. 

[mod edit]

now this crap i dont understand, why pay for a sub that your not gonna play but [mod edit] to ones that actually enjoy playing it, im sorry but that is just stupid.  But its your money you do wthat ever you want.

Isn't it clear that Dahkot72 purchased a 3 month sub outright because he expected to be playing the game that long? He can't get his money back and doesn't want to play the game anymore, hence why he hates.

Seemed pretty clear to me and yet you two both seem to misunderstand. :p

Sooo, it still boils down to poor money management. Especially when SWTOR, like most P2P MMOs with a box price, comes with a 30 day free trial with the box purchase.

I bought the box, played my free trial, discovered the game was not my thing, and didn't pay a penny more. No one to blame but himself for that one.

I see this far too much. When Final Fantasy XIV released, I distinctly remember someone on the forums screaming that they hated the beta and thought the game was crap, but turned around and bought the collector's edition and around $100 worth of Crysta and were complaining that the game wasn't good.

  cinos

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3/15/12 12:41:47 PM#56
Originally posted by FrostWyrm
Originally posted by cinos
Originally posted by Artymus77
Originally posted by FrostWyrm
Originally posted by Dahkot72

They put in a broken world pvp system , broke it worse with each patch , and halfway have admitted they don't know what they are doing and are abondoning Illum and world pvp for the forseeable future.

If they will refund 2/3 of my 3 month sub pass I paid for I'll stop "hating". Till then I enjoy using my sub money to enrage the fanbois on the official forums. 

[mod edit]

now this crap i dont understand, why pay for a sub that your not gonna play but[mod edit] to ones that actually enjoy playing it, im sorry but that is just stupid.  But its your money you do wthat ever you want.

Isn't it clear that Dahkot72 purchased a 3 month sub outright because he expected to be playing the game that long? He can't get his money back and doesn't want to play the game anymore, hence why he hates.

Seemed pretty clear to me and yet you two both seem to misunderstand. :p

Sooo, it still boils down to poor money management. Especially when SWTOR, like most P2P MMOs with a box price, comes with a 30 day free trial with the box purchase.

I bought the box, played my free trial, discovered the game was not my thing, and didn't pay a penny more. No one to blame but himself for that one.

Not disagreeing. Was just pointing out how completely you two had misunderstood his post. :p

/cinos away

  Tuchaka

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Joined: 4/14/10
Posts: 458

3/15/12 12:47:07 PM#57

i don't know does any game desrve a bunch of finatical spoiled angry children ranting about it......seems odd behavior if you were not a gamer ....no... ?

 

but then again wow had to deal with the same thing for how long so ya ......as much as i would love to blame the phenomena on entitled spoiled gamers, frankly some of the blame goes to gamging companies that treat us like adorable morons/  hamsters on a exercise wheel ....there is plenty of blame to go around as to why there is such a disconnect between the two sides.

  Nomis278

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Joined: 10/06/08
Posts: 130

3/15/12 12:52:36 PM#58

I don't remember hearing a group of people whine as much as the ones who hate this game. Most don't seem to be able to differentiate between opinion and fact either.

Most of us have been disappointed by games at one time or another. It happens. Get over it!

  FrostWyrm

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Joined: 6/11/05
Posts: 1028

3/15/12 12:53:30 PM#59
Originally posted by cinos
Originally posted by FrostWyrm
Originally posted by cinos
Originally posted by Artymus77
Originally posted by FrostWyrm
Originally posted by Dahkot72

They put in a broken world pvp system , broke it worse with each patch , and halfway have admitted they don't know what they are doing and are abondoning Illum and world pvp for the forseeable future.

If they will refund 2/3 of my 3 month sub pass I paid for I'll stop "hating". Till then I enjoy using my sub money to enrage the fanbois on the official forums. 

[mod edit]

now this crap i dont understand, why pay for a sub that your not gonna play but [mod edit] to ones that actually enjoy playing it, im sorry but that is just stupid.  But its your money you do wthat ever you want.

Isn't it clear that Dahkot72 purchased a 3 month sub outright because he expected to be playing the game that long? He can't get his money back and doesn't want to play the game anymore, hence why he hates.

Seemed pretty clear to me and yet you two both seem to misunderstand. :p

Sooo, it still boils down to poor money management. Especially when SWTOR, like most P2P MMOs with a box price, comes with a 30 day free trial with the box purchase.

I bought the box, played my free trial, discovered the game was not my thing, and didn't pay a penny more. No one to blame but himself for that one.

Not disagreeing. Was just pointing out how completely you two had misunderstood his post. :p

/cinos away

Fair enough.

  Creslin321

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Joined: 2/27/09
Posts: 5424

3/15/12 1:00:05 PM#60

Here's the truth of all this...

1 angry voice is a nitpicker

10 angry voices are critics

10,000 angry voices are a bunch of spoiled haters

...

SWTOR has 10,000 angry voices.

There are just so many people that are critical of this game that it gives the impression that people are just "hating" on it.  I know that you can bring up examples of posters here that post multiple negative things about SWTOR, but let's be honest...the criticism of SWTOR is far bigger than just this forum.

The only reason that everyone thinks SWTOR is getting so much hate is because there are so many dissatisfied people.

Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?

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