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General Discussion  » The game is going into beta, finally, so... why the qq?

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  Moaky07

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MMO sandbox games are as exciting as watching paint dry.

3/15/12 6:59:42 AM#41
Originally posted by itgrowls
Originally posted by WellzyC
Arena net is finally, after years of waiting, starting to begin the release process with closed beta and announcing the Public Beta's and preorders.
 
 
Yet, 9/10 posts on this section are..  WTF CE too expensive. WTF CE items blow. WTF need to buy the game for beta. WTF  no forums.
 
What’s with all this ridicules negativity?  I’m not trying to draw arguments. But honestly -- this is a really exciting time for all of us who have been keeping an eye on this game. We are all finally going to be able to play this game in a little over 1 month.
 
 
 
Did you read that..
    All of us who preordered WILL be playing GUILD WARS 2 in just over a month in April. Never mind that’s its a beta, we will be able to finally play it and see firsthand what this game is really about.
Let’s stop with this Nit Picking, it really shows just how crappy the MMO fan base has become.

Keep a close eye out everyone for those who claim to be regular gamers asking honest questions but when you check out their forum history they are really SWTOR or TERA fans in disguise.

I knew this was coming it was only a matter of time.

Wow....one would think you have practice at stirring shit, in a game's forum, when you dont actually like the game to begin with. That couldnt possibly be true.

 

OP: From what I have read, there are plenty of folks that are indeed excited, and waiting like patient fans. GW2 isnt something I am interested in, but I see a few good posters are looking forward to it, so I hope it turns out as they wish.

 

As far as the drama....it will continue to get worse.  I dont know what it is about MMOs that get some folks so fired up.

Asking Devs to make AAA sandbox titles is like trying to get fine dining on a McDonalds dollar menu budget.

  InFaVilla

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3/15/12 8:35:20 AM#42
Originally posted by Corehaven
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Originally posted by InFaVilla

Because not everyone accepts the flaws that are starting to appear. Just because a person has many reasons to look forward to GW2, it doesn't mean that you need to stay all positive about every issue.

I seriously dont see any flaws, the game is still exactly turning out to be like i expected it to be for over a year now...

 

Not perfect, but fully according to Arenanets vission.

 

flaws is something different, then the little things some people would have loved to see changed.

Uh yea.  Id like to know what flaws InFaVilla is speaking of here. 

 

When I refer to "flaws", I refer to the flaws in the product as a whole (including marketing aspects), not just the game itself. It is, of course, subjective what one would find to be a flaw.

 

Some recent aspects that can be considered to be flaws:

 

* Not guaranteeing a sufficiently working official forum. As for why I think that is a serious flaw, I've explained in the other thread dedicated to it; basically has to do with lack of  good control mechanisms. 

 

* Not giving the option of a midrange physical CE. It would have been better to have two physical CE options, one more expensive and one less expensive, as opposed to the single expensive option currently being offered.

 

* Rewarding fanatism by giving a free public beta pass to those who pre-purchase GW2. This is an issue with far more games than just GW2.

 

 

 

  solarine

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3/15/12 8:40:43 AM#43

Really? This must be the single most positively-hyped big-budget MMO I've seen here.

Let me remind you of how bad pre-release SWTOR boards looked.

Or even the epic cross-negativity in the AOC vs WAR pre-release fever.

I say, for an MMO that's getting close to release, GW2 is doing exceptionally well.

  Oberholzer

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3/15/12 8:46:51 AM#44
I feel the majority of what I've read on GW2 has been overwhelmingly positive. Heck if this game got more positive hype you'd be able to order a GOTY edition now.
  InFaVilla

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3/15/12 8:48:27 AM#45
Originally posted by eayes
I feel the majority of what I've read on GW2 has been overwhelmingly positive. Heck if this game got more positive hype you'd be able to order a GOTY edition now.

The horror :/. It reminds me of SWTOR GOTY 2011 award by Massively.

  User Deleted
3/15/12 8:52:10 AM#46

Nobody is QQ/trolling about GW2.

If you really see a QQ or troll in every post or poster, you really need to consult a medic because you have a serious problem.

Let the peoples discuss free what they think and wish/want.

BTW, asking for an official forum is not a QQ and not a trolling.

  RefMinor

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3/15/12 8:52:21 AM#47
To be honest what I see is 9/10 threads titled, "what people don't understand about GW2" or "why the criticism about the mount system is so wrong" it's like you guys see one post with someone's opinion that is to them a valid criticism and you start a whole new thread trying to debunk it.

I think GW2 looks very good but it is not flawless.

And to those who say its free to play, it's $60, there's a lot of MMOs you can get for 6 months with that cash. B2P is not some charity, the game is designed to turn a profit.

Overall I think GW2 is having a good MMORPG.com launch, the only ones who will screw that up is the positive zealots.
  Wickedjelly

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3/15/12 10:51:35 AM#48
Originally posted by RefMinor
Overall I think GW2 is having a good MMORPG.com launch, the only ones who will screw that up is the positive zealots.

I agree. I find the postive zealots ten times more fucking annoying than the haters. Haters are easy to pick out and most times are more amusing than anything. Not to mention hater or not there are times they do actually bring up some good points.

The ones that you refer to as positive zealots? They tend to add nothing to any discussion whatsoever and will defend every aspect of a game regardless how detrimental it is to the game or community overall. Not to mention all they do is muddy the waters when viable issues are being discussed because if devs are listening to the players it can be hard for them to gauge if something is a concern or not when some will defend anything no matter the effect or ramifications.

They do a hell of a lot more damage to these communities and games than the haters ever could.

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  Rhianni32

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3/15/12 11:19:50 AM#49

This happens with every game at closed beta pre-open beta.

We have enough info to make conjectures. We have some videos and some info out but most people do not have first hand experience of the game. So there isnt much else to go off of.

I think GW2 is in great shape if the complaints are on topics avoidable and of a visual preference nature..

CE too expensive (don't buy it)

can't trade items in traditional way (but still can do it)

no mounts (but is travel speed still quick?)

  Auzy

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3/15/12 11:36:22 AM#50

Hating the popular thing is cool...

Uhh... what?

  Cammy

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Posts: 898

3/15/12 11:37:36 AM#51

Because of the following:

1) People are dumb

2) People whine about EVERYTHING

3) People love to jump on their own soapbox (usually because of 1, 2)

4) See 1 and 2 again... 

 

 

  VowOfSilence

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3/15/12 1:10:37 PM#52
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

I seriously dont see any flaws, the game is still exactly turning out to be like i expected it to be for over a year now...

Not perfect, but fully according to Arenanets vission.

Didn't you guys get the memo? The crystal ball says GW2 will have a cash shop.

Like, a REAL cash shop, that kind of cash shop. The haters may have been right, after all.

 

A lot a things have been happening lately that are the complete opposite of Anet's vision. I've been following GW2 ever since it was announced, but now I'm getting increasingly worried.

Hype train -> Reality

  Gel214th

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3/15/12 1:13:44 PM#53
Originally posted by WellzyC 
 
Did you read that..
    All of us who preordered WILL be playing GUILD WARS 2 in just over a month in April. Never mind that’s its a beta, we will be able to finally play it and see firsthand what this game is really about.
Let’s stop with this Nit Picking, it really shows just how crappy the MMO fan base has become.

Yeah..playing for like three days...until the next Beta event etc. It doesn't strike me as being a Continuous Open Beta. It's limited time events that focus on specific aspects of gameplay that the team wants to test. That's the impression I got.

  xenogias

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3/15/12 1:23:54 PM#54
Originally posted by VowOfSilence
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

I seriously dont see any flaws, the game is still exactly turning out to be like i expected it to be for over a year now...

Not perfect, but fully according to Arenanets vission.

Didn't you guys get the memo? The crystal ball says GW2 will have a cash shop.

Like, a REAL cash shop, that kind of cash shop. The haters may have been right, after all.

 

A lot a things have been happening lately that are the complete opposite of Anet's vision. I've been following GW2 ever since it was announced, but now I'm getting increasingly worried.

I'm sorry but if you have been following the game since it was announced you would have known it was going to have a cash shop for a while now. GW1 has a cash shop and guess what. Its exactly what Anet said they plan on doing with GW2. Cosmetic stuff mostly. Maybe character slots. Hell maybe even backpack space. Maybe even versions of skills that look awesome but are the same skill as another (like in both CE versions). But it wont be P2W.

The only thing that really concerns me is how expensive the cash shop will be. The DCE price has me worried. I will happily support the game through the cash shop if it delivers but not if it costs $20 for a mini pet and some one time use items.

  xenogias

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3/15/12 1:25:42 PM#55
Originally posted by Gel214th
Originally posted by WellzyC 
 
Did you read that..
    All of us who preordered WILL be playing GUILD WARS 2 in just over a month in April. Never mind that’s its a beta, we will be able to finally play it and see firsthand what this game is really about.
Let’s stop with this Nit Picking, it really shows just how crappy the MMO fan base has become.

Yeah..playing for like three days...until the next Beta event etc. It doesn't strike me as being a Continuous Open Beta. It's limited time events that focus on specific aspects of gameplay that the team wants to test. That's the impression I got.

Thats what I assumed untill they decided that you could buy your way into beta from the get go. Because of that I'm thinking more along the lines of what TERA is doing with its beta tests. Either way is fine with me though.

  goldiewilson

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3/15/12 1:25:48 PM#56
Originally posted by InFaVilla

Because not everyone accepts the flaws that are starting to appear. Just because a person has many reasons to look forward to GW2, it doesn't mean that you need to stay all positive about every issue.

Most of the "flaws" are from WOW and TOR fanbois who are upset the game isn't just like WOW or TOR. How dare they not put in raid loot progression. 

QQ all the way home losers.

  RizelStar

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3/15/12 1:28:35 PM#57
Most things being talked about is the payment plans, no mounts, not a seamless world like a sandbox, and pretty much what's confirmed to not be there or not understanding things like the mail trading system and what not. Because there isn't really much to talk or complain about, can't even call it a wow clone, that takes away a lot of negative threads. I mean people will call it that just to piss off the fan base, some will confuse and literally think other things in rifts and pqs were done the same [exact] way which unfortunately it isn't and it is what it is. Some people have a hard time deciding on whether it's a pvp focused game or pve focused game because the selling points are varied for many. I'm more attracted to the pve as it is much more enjoyable than others but that's because of my style how ever people could like it for pvp and don't have to even stress pve if they want too. So there isn't many things to qq about so when all else fails you either qq about not understanding a concept or the payment plan they have. Some have expectations outside the game itself. It is what it is and take care guys I'm excited to play this game, and see you there. Oh also keep making something out of nothing it's amusing none the less, cheers.

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  causs

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3/15/12 1:30:01 PM#58
Originally posted by BadSpock

/cheer

Honestly I think people are afraid of being excited about anything on MMORPG.com because there is SO much negativity on this site, even the smallest amount of positive attitude will bring the h8ters out from their dens to decend upon their excitement like locusts.

You're either a hater or a fan boi here.

Positive thread must = fan boi in their eyes.

 

I think it's human psychology - just look at the news, bad news gets more press and higher ratings than good news.

People LIKE to fight and argue and rant/rave and be negative, even if they would NEVER admit it.

People love drama.

 

Me? Super excited for GW2 and the idea of playing soon due to pre-purchase. So much win. My desktop background slide show of GW2 artwork that rotates every 30 seconds mocks me every day lol

Haha, me too! And next to my computer screen I have the 2 novels. Soon the CE will join the collection!

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  gainesvilleg

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3/15/12 1:33:21 PM#59
Originally posted by Cammy

Because of the following:

1) People are dumb

2) People whine about EVERYTHING

3) People love to jump on their own soapbox (usually because of 1, 2)

4) See 1 and 2 again... 

 

That's having a real open mind there LOL.  So basically GW2 is perfect so no reason to change anything.  Or if it isn't perfect, just let ANet figure it out without mentioning it or discussing it.

I for one have been on and off the GW2 bandwagon several times.  I will admit that, as of now, I am overall disappointed with their design decisions.  Many of my issues include:

1) Focus on instanced PVP.  Battlegrounds to me in an MMO is just plain garbage.  FPS does it better.  As for RvRvR there is some hope there, but I'm not convinced as it resets frequently supposedly.  If RvRvR ends up being epic I might jump back on the bandwagon.  There is absolutely no open world PVP in this game and I do not like that design decision

2) Cash shop.  And no, it looks like it isn't just full of shiny's but actual experience altering items.  Slippery slope at best.

3) Insta-teleporting and multiple load screens.  Will make the world less immersive and take away that exploration feeling.  Sure you don't have to, but once teleporting is a feature you will use it and so will everybody else.  Sometimes something we will use is actually not a good thing because we will use it.  Hard to explain but thats how I feel

4) I'm not a huge fan of the art style.  Not a gamebreaker at all, but not a fan of it.  Especially the pokemon Asuras

5) A very personal reason is I don't like the blink on/off stealth along with mobile melee/range dynamic of the thief.  I don't think I like their interpretation of the thief.  I prefer more of the deliberate assassin as opposed to the hyper ninja.  I know many disagree, but I'm giving you MY reasons

Now, on the flip side some of it seems exciting.  Lots of skills to choose.  RvRvR might be cool.  Dynamic events, although we've been promised these before, might actually be fun.  But as of right now, all the negatives I've discovered about the game currently outweight the positives.  This may change yet again as time goes on (like I've said, I've alternated multiple times now from excitement and dissapointment)

GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements

  timeraider

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3/15/12 1:53:04 PM#60

All things in the post above me are totally opinion based and are his views on the game..except for the ingame shop which he totally has no idea and is yust rambling something weird because only things arenanet says theyll aim to seell is cosmetics and things like temporary portable bankers, they wont sell anything which gives an advantage over some1 else..ever...well..unless your an idiot who forgets to sell things at an vendor..then the guy with the portable banker will own you XD

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