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General Discussion  » So ANET can't afford a forum? Why?

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  Cursedsei

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3/14/12 2:20:43 PM#141
Originally posted by Muntz
Originally posted by Puremallace
Originally posted by Saxx0n

SWTOR has a forum and look how it turned out.......

The devs were held accountable for bad decisions. God forbid. Nice communist system you believe in there.

Wouldn't a single centralized forum controlled by the very entity that is invested the most in it be more communist? 

Forums provide a very small mechanism for feedback. I doubt highly if the only feedback they had was forum QQ that any serious changes would have happened. 

quick pro-tip from someone who has seen mallace's posts elsewhere. Ignore him, he's been banned because all they attempt to do is flame and troll anything GW 2-related. There is an occasional bit of insight rarely, but overall their "opinion" is about as invalid as one can be. They also don't know what Communism is, Comrade.

 

As for the whole Official/Fan forum thing, what works works. The ArenaNet team is active on most every GW site I'm a member of, and while an "Official" forum would serve to unify the community, people would still end up using fansites regardless. I have nothing against the concept of an official forum, but generally speaking the amount of "troll" posts increases exponentially when everyone posts in one forum and said forum is an official part of the game. It can also wring out more drama as well, which tends to swell and bloat things as well, specially when server-specific forums are around.

Guild Wars has a support forum, which is actually one of the few "required" things I like to see in an MMO.

Guild Wars Guru seems to work well enough as a focal point, since a vast majority of in-game community events is announced through there. And yes, while an official forum would make it probably easier to spread news of those events around, it again opens it up to more trolling and drama. I've already seen some occasional "trolling" done by guilds or individuals during these community events, and I'd hate to give them an easier time to do so by opening up forums for them to infest.

  Gel214th

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3/14/12 2:23:12 PM#142
Originally posted by catplay

So ANET can't afford a forum? Why?

I mean.. every serious company can, but not them? I guess they do not like peoples to come and said what they do not like?

What do you think?

I recall in Guild Wars 1 that there was a decision not to have a company message forum, but to support top Fan run forums with some developer posts etc. instead.

Company decision, can't remember their reasoning at the time.

  Maephisto

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3/14/12 2:24:13 PM#143

2 reasons why the launch of GW2 will be great:

1)  You get to play the game

2)  The constant string of non-issue threads (like this one) cease to exist.

  KingGator

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3/14/12 2:25:21 PM#144
Originally posted by catplay

So ANET can't afford a forum? Why?

I mean.. every serious company can, but not them? I guess they do not like peoples to come and said what they do not like?

What do you think?

Forum whiners getting their way have negatively effected games from DAOC to SWTOR; I for one could care less if there isn't a "NERF SORCS NOW; I lOST AND AM BUTT HURT" forum.

  just1opinion

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3/14/12 2:28:27 PM#145

 

The OP  still hasn't answered the question posed to him/her.....who said Anet can't AFFORD an official forum?  Note the word "AFFORD."  Where did you get THAT idea? 

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  Roin

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3/14/12 2:28:28 PM#146

If anyone else had did this, we would never hear end of it.  Anet does it, and it's "ok".

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  Beezerbeez

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3/14/12 2:30:34 PM#147
Originally posted by catplay

So ANET can't afford a forum? Why?

I mean.. every serious company can, but not them? I guess they do not like peoples to come and said what they do not like?

What do you think?

 

Who says they can't afford it, OP?  There's really no point in following this logic to a conclusion with no factual basis for the discussion in the first place.  Also, what is a "serious" company?

Happy Friday, regardless! :D

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  just1opinion

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3/14/12 2:30:54 PM#148
Originally posted by Roin

If anyone else had did this, we would never hear end of it.  Anet does it, and it's "ok".

 

ArenaNet hasn't "done" a damn thing yet.  The game isn't released.  So why don't we wait and SEE what they're going to do?  What a novel idea.  This game has so much assumption both good and bad that it's ridiculous.  I really think it makes more sense to wait and find out the TRUTH of the matter before wiggin' out.

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  User Deleted
3/14/12 2:39:13 PM#149

I don't see the value in a company forum. It's a very vocal minority trying to convince the devs they are the majority. Then you end up with a game catering to a minority, thus pissing off the majority that never even visit a forum. If they really want feed back , submit polls to customers at login (optional of course) with the ability to submit an opinion (they would need to limit wording to 500/1000 words or be hit by walls of text). This way much of the emo drama can be avoided, as it really doesn't add any value.

  Rivalen

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3/14/12 2:39:52 PM#150
Originally posted by Roin

If anyone else had did this, we would never hear end of it.  Anet does it, and it's "ok".

I will always aprove this decision, from any MMO developer.

Oficial non-technical related forums are for whiners and trolls only.

  just1opinion

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3/14/12 2:45:11 PM#151
Originally posted by Rivalen
Originally posted by Roin

If anyone else had did this, we would never hear end of it.  Anet does it, and it's "ok".

I will always aprove this decision, from any MMO developer.

Oficial non-technical related forums are for whiners and trolls only.

Ain't it the truth?  One only has to look at the WoW forums and WoW's history of DEvolution into what it is today, to SEE the reason for NOT having "official" forums (other than tech support, of course).

Still....we have no idea for certain what Anet will ultimately do, so this whole conversation is kind of silly.  From what they've SAID...I tend to think they won't have them, but again....we don't know for sure right now.

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  just1opinion

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3/14/12 2:47:05 PM#152

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  InFaVilla

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3/14/12 2:48:37 PM#153
Originally posted by just1opinion

 

The OP  still hasn't answered the question posed to him/her.....who said Anet can't AFFORD an official forum?  Note the word "AFFORD."  Where did you get THAT idea? 

 

They may very well not able to afford the backlash that may come from having a bad official forum. So in that sense, they may notable to afford a forum.

 

 

  Remains

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3/14/12 2:51:39 PM#154

Since they made a support forum for the first Guild Wars, its not unlikely that they will do the same for GW2. And the support part is really the important aspect.

When they have their support forum (which they probably should put up pretty fast) they should stop "recommending" or "approving" unofficial forums and let them sink or float on their own. If they "approve" an unofficial forum they might suffer backlash if the moderation there spins out of control (as some people think GW2guru has done already).

This all assumes that they dont have some amazing support features in game that prove to be adequate (seems unlikely though).

  Acmegamer

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3/14/12 2:55:52 PM#155
Originally posted by just1opinion
Originally posted by AcmeGamer
Originally posted by just1opinion

 

The OP  still hasn't answered the question posed to him/her.....who said Anet can't AFFORD an official forum?  Note the word "AFFORD."  Where did you get THAT idea? 

 

 

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  just1opinion

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3/14/12 3:01:22 PM#156
Originally posted by InFaVilla
Originally posted by just1opinion

 

The OP  still hasn't answered the question posed to him/her.....who said Anet can't AFFORD an official forum?  Note the word "AFFORD."  Where did you get THAT idea? 

 

They may very well not able to afford the backlash that may come from having a bad official forum. So in that sense, they may notable to afford a forum.

 

 

 

I understand the different nuances of meaning here, but I DON'T think that's what the OP was implying. :)

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  nolic1

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3/14/12 3:12:34 PM#157

So I read every post here and you wonder why they dont have an offical forum my god you dont read forums then when some of us do. Go read any and I do mean any major game sites forums like WoW and SWTOR and tell me thats what you want a forums full and litered with useless whineing no thank you I cant even stand to go to most forums I go here to read info on new games and see what others have to say on games thats it. And most of these forums on here are whines about this or that that people dont like in games and live forums for some major games like WoW, EQ2, AoC, LOTOR, SWTOR, Lineiage 2, Aion, CoX, and all the other games out there are 99% whineing and 1% constructive and thats it really I do sit on my ass and read tons of it cause I was once a forums mod for a few sites and never again because its 99% crap half the time and if they have to relay all the negative to positive feedback they would close the game down. 

To me forums are not easy to mod this I know and trying to stay on top of it most the time requieres alot more then 2 people to cover some companys waste more on forum moderation then they should and that money could be used to develope the games them selves then trying to get some geek to stop whineing and I am a geek. But I used to use forums to meet the community but anymore its whineing and griping and flaming of loyal players that ruins forums not people using them for what they are.


To me I enjoy gaming I dont play to be uber I play to have fun. If a game is not fun to me guess what I move on and play something else till I find one that is. When I find that great game and not sure if in my life time there will be one I hope it has everything I want in an mmo.

  InFaVilla

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3/14/12 3:14:07 PM#158
Originally posted by Roin

If anyone else had did this, we would never hear end of it.  Anet does it, and it's "ok".

 

Precisely. Where are the defenders of "standard MMORPG features" when you need them? They complained about the lack of mandatory features in SWTOR and that it was released barebones, yet why don't we see them here complaining about the potential absence of an official forum, which is a major pillar in any MMORPG?

 

I never intended to become a "hater" of GW2, but my god, I am becoming a hater of a significant subgroup of people within the GW2 community. It is like they say: "Don't hate the player, hate the game", but backwards.

 

GW2 is indeed a very different AAA game from the norm, which is what I've wanted for a long time. In that sense, they have a certain amount of leeway in my opinion. However, a negative is still a negative and I do hope they take the responsability to implement a proper forum. 

 

A major reason for why fansites should never excuse the absence of an official forum is that fansites may easily fall into the temptation of  "online nepotism" and "online forum corruption". Far from every forum has such problems, but that is why official forums is needed.  With our wallets we can prevent nonsense from the staff in official forums, but we have little if any control over fansites. It is a matter of responsability  and being preemptive.

 

One good example about being preemptive is: Never allow GMs to play inside a real server of the game they moderate. They will have conflict of interest and far from everyone has a good enough moral compass to always be just.

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Far too many "fans" of GW2 leave reason aside to let emotions dictate. This was evident in a previous thread regarding "Will you buy GW2?" (Don't remember the exact topic name).  Such fans are far more rabid than the SWTOR fans ever were. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  mf16

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3/14/12 3:17:19 PM#159

I think your being a serious fanboy if your saying no official forums is great it can and probably will lead to so much mis-information when the game is released and make it easier for trolls to start well false rumors i guarenteee it when the game releases this will be a chief complaint. Is it really needed now? now but i do often frequent official forums for well Offical information, along with offical contact with a company a long the lines of bugs/ tech support and errors. Who cares if theres flames in the general discussions going on Offical forums in no way hinder the game except not having them majority of players only go on them when they are looking for official word/patch notes/ bugs report/ technical reports. Its usually only the same trolls/ fanboys flaming each other in general chat with special guests here and there. Honestly and when and i mean WHEN they come out with them these same people saying we don't need them will say good idea!

 

G2guru? yea with there censorship i want a proffesional company behind the forums i am seeking help on so there is some real reputation behind it. Im sure they'll make them at or soon after release because its a serious disconnect from the public that players will rage when they can't play their new game on launch day all gms are busy and there are no real offical tech forums for them to seek help on. The whole flame argument is stupid oh forums ruin games, no they don't they don't even touch the game itself and if you don't like it stay away from it but if they had it i bet you all would be over there shutting down the server signing up so fast posting so many threads saying thank god for a forum.

Do they need them now? no later? yeah dont be a fanboy be realistic.

 

 

 

  Halandir

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3/14/12 3:25:53 PM#160

Jeff Vogel wrote an excellent blogpost that explains some good reasons for NOT having an official forum.

Taking a look at some of the other MMO's official forums, I think they secretly wish they had never had them.

 

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