Originally posted by kaiser3282

I find it absurd that it doesnt make sense to you. Of cours enobody is putting a gun to your head and making you play the game, but IF you want to play, you have no choice, no alternative (aka forced) but to pay the fee. I really dont know how to dumb that down any further. As a matte rof fact, its kind of funny seeing your argument about the word forced and at the same time talking about putting a gun to your head being forcing. By your logic, even putting a gunt o someones head isnt forcing anyone to do anything. After all, they could simply choose to stop living. Right? Youre not being "forced" to live, youre simply choosing to live by doing what the personw ith the gun wants you to do.

Guess that makes two of us.

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by korent1991

The difference between GW2 and sub games is you can play GW2, stop playing it, and come back without the need of paying the monthly fee.. You're being contradictory here, you can't just come back to a sub based game without renewing your sub for a monthly fee... So it means if you want to play it, go pay it again, for me it's something that actually forces you to pay the monthly fee... If you like the game and you want to play it and you don't like any other game at the moment it's forcing you. I'm saying this because for B2P model, no1 is ever going to tell you - you wanna play ? ok, pay me each month for me doing nothing.

How am i beign contradictory when my will to play is directly related with my will to pay? isn't that how it has been for so long since days of EQ? you guys talk as if GW2 sub model is a new industry standard and for all these years we were forced to pay for the games and we just don't know it.  I just hate that attitude. 

If i have no interest in playing a game it can collect dust on my shelf even if it is F2P or B2P. 12 to 15 bucks is like a pocket change for most and hardly a factor to be considered as a 'forced payment'.

Again choosing to ignore the whole "if you want to play a game" fact. Youretrying to argue a point with us, by arguing that you dont want to play the game anymore.....sorry to break it to you but that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Apples to oranges.

And what does the amount have to do with anything. Even if a monthly sub is $1, its still a forced payment in order to play. The cost doesnt magically change the argument in your favor. A payment is a payment.

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by korent1991

The difference between GW2 and sub games is you can play GW2, stop playing it, and come back without the need of paying the monthly fee.. You're being contradictory here, you can't just come back to a sub based game without renewing your sub for a monthly fee... So it means if you want to play it, go pay it again, for me it's something that actually forces you to pay the monthly fee... If you like the game and you want to play it and you don't like any other game at the moment it's forcing you. I'm saying this because for B2P model, no1 is ever going to tell you - you wanna play ? ok, pay me each month for me doing nothing.

How am i beign contradictory when my will to play is directly related with my will to pay? isn't that how it has been for so long since days of EQ? you guys talk as if GW2 sub model is a new industry standard and for all these years we were forced to pay for the games and we just don't know it.  I just hate that attitude. 

If i have no interest in playing a game it can collect dust on my shelf even if it is F2P or B2P. 12 to 15 bucks is like a pocket change for most and hardly a factor to be considered as a 'forced payment'.

Maybe your will... My will to play isn't directly related to my will to pay for the game I already payed for in store ...

If there's a new game out there, I buy it, and then the next month they didn't do anything new with the game besides few bug fixes and they say... HEY! wanna play the game next month? give me mah 15$ so I can pah for da serverz runnin' and not do shiet next month as well.. I'm sorry if my will to pay for it really drops after that and isn't at all connected with my will to play.

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Been wondering all day, am i the only one shocked about the $150 they are asking for their collectors edition?

 

And i am even more shocked that there are people willing to pay that for stuff that ends in the trashbin sooner or later.

 

I think its a good example of a company trying to rip off their loyal fanbase. Following in the footsteps of EA's pricing scheme for the SWTOR boxes is not a good thing.

 

If they continue down this road, with their itemshop we might be in for a sad and shattered dream.

    When these games include $50.00 to $75.00 statues, $20.00 to @30.00 dollar books etc, you are going to see collectors editions hit the $150.00 mark. Personally I don't have a problem with it, and will buy the collectors edtion.  I guess if I was 15 I'd be irked, but not shocked at the cost. Means I'd have to save a bit more or suck up to my parents to earn some extra cash.

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by korent1991

The difference between GW2 and sub games is you can play GW2, stop playing it, and come back without the need of paying the monthly fee.. You're being contradictory here, you can't just come back to a sub based game without renewing your sub for a monthly fee... So it means if you want to play it, go pay it again, for me it's something that actually forces you to pay the monthly fee... If you like the game and you want to play it and you don't like any other game at the moment it's forcing you. I'm saying this because for B2P model, no1 is ever going to tell you - you wanna play ? ok, pay me each month for me doing nothing.

How am i beign contradictory when my will to play is directly related with my will to pay? isn't that how it has been for so long since days of EQ? you guys talk as if GW2 sub model is a new industry standard and for all these years we were forced to pay for the games and we just don't know it.  I just hate that attitude. 

If i have no interest in playing a game it can collect dust on my shelf even if it is F2P or B2P. 12 to 15 bucks is like a pocket change for most and hardly a factor to be considered as a 'forced payment'.

Again choosing to ignore the whole "if you want to play a game" fact. Youretrying to argue a point with us, by arguing that you dont want to play the game anymore.....sorry to break it to you but that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Apples to oranges.

And what does the amount have to do with anything. Even if a monthly sub is $1, its still a forced payment in order to play. The cost doesnt magically change the argument in your favor. A payment is a payment.

There we go again..... /facepalm

ah, man... it's just not working with you... you're trying to be ignorant at our facts and simply /facepalm when we say something, and then you reply with the same argument as in the past 5 posts. :D

It doesn't work that way :D

To the OP: 

  I can understand you, but i hope that you will understand me. These are not called COLLECTOR's editions for nothing. You have people that are Video Game collectors (me, being one of them) that will still buy the game for the sake of collecting it. I still have a couple of old video games' CEs and, no matter how much i gave for them back them, they have even more value right now (at least for me). I can bet too, that i can sell bunch of those on E-bay for twice (or maybe the triple) the price to another Game Collector ( and yes, i keep all the stuff that came with the boxes, even now ;) ).

  That being said, it is sad thing that, nowadays, CE selling became marketing matter, more tnah ever. Most of developers throw a crap only for sake of making CE. Another example is that, I would never, ever buy digital download CE or w/e it is called now. Physical stuff are always, and always will be my top priority when ti comes to giving money for a game.

Still, i personaly like what i see in GW2 'physical' CE, but thats just me :P.

Originally posted by jpnz

Not shocked as CE are now $150, get used to it.

What I find interesting is the community reaction though. Think some are a bit too over-the-top.

Yes, oh yes.Gamers tend to be a rather choleric bunch.

Originally posted by korent1991

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by korent1991

The difference between GW2 and sub games is you can play GW2, stop playing it, and come back without the need of paying the monthly fee.. You're being contradictory here, you can't just come back to a sub based game without renewing your sub for a monthly fee... So it means if you want to play it, go pay it again, for me it's something that actually forces you to pay the monthly fee... If you like the game and you want to play it and you don't like any other game at the moment it's forcing you. I'm saying this because for B2P model, no1 is ever going to tell you - you wanna play ? ok, pay me each month for me doing nothing.

How am i beign contradictory when my will to play is directly related with my will to pay? isn't that how it has been for so long since days of EQ? you guys talk as if GW2 sub model is a new industry standard and for all these years we were forced to pay for the games and we just don't know it.  I just hate that attitude. 

If i have no interest in playing a game it can collect dust on my shelf even if it is F2P or B2P. 12 to 15 bucks is like a pocket change for most and hardly a factor to be considered as a 'forced payment'.

Again choosing to ignore the whole "if you want to play a game" fact. Youretrying to argue a point with us, by arguing that you dont want to play the game anymore.....sorry to break it to you but that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Apples to oranges.

And what does the amount have to do with anything. Even if a monthly sub is $1, its still a forced payment in order to play. The cost doesnt magically change the argument in your favor. A payment is a payment.

There we go again..... /facepalm

ah, man... it's just not working with you... you're trying to be ignorant at our facts and simply /facepalm when we say something, and then you reply with the same argument as in the past 5 posts. :D

It doesn't work that way :D

You mean if i disagree with your whole 'holier than you' attitude somehow i am being ignorant? notice how i never made any personal remarks so far and just stuck to discussion? must be really hard.

What doesn't work is that you trying to patronize people into thinking that somehow they have been forced into paying and enjoying game for all these years. 

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by korent1991

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by korent1991

The difference between GW2 and sub games is you can play GW2, stop playing it, and come back without the need of paying the monthly fee.. You're being contradictory here, you can't just come back to a sub based game without renewing your sub for a monthly fee... So it means if you want to play it, go pay it again, for me it's something that actually forces you to pay the monthly fee... If you like the game and you want to play it and you don't like any other game at the moment it's forcing you. I'm saying this because for B2P model, no1 is ever going to tell you - you wanna play ? ok, pay me each month for me doing nothing.

How am i beign contradictory when my will to play is directly related with my will to pay? isn't that how it has been for so long since days of EQ? you guys talk as if GW2 sub model is a new industry standard and for all these years we were forced to pay for the games and we just don't know it.  I just hate that attitude. 

If i have no interest in playing a game it can collect dust on my shelf even if it is F2P or B2P. 12 to 15 bucks is like a pocket change for most and hardly a factor to be considered as a 'forced payment'.

Again choosing to ignore the whole "if you want to play a game" fact. Youretrying to argue a point with us, by arguing that you dont want to play the game anymore.....sorry to break it to you but that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Apples to oranges.

And what does the amount have to do with anything. Even if a monthly sub is $1, its still a forced payment in order to play. The cost doesnt magically change the argument in your favor. A payment is a payment.

There we go again..... /facepalm

ah, man... it's just not working with you... you're trying to be ignorant at our facts and simply /facepalm when we say something, and then you reply with the same argument as in the past 5 posts. :D

It doesn't work that way :D

You mean if i disagree with your whole 'holier than you' attitude somehow i am being ignorant? notice how i never made any personal remarks so far and just stuck to discussion? must be really hard.

What doesn't work is that you trying to patronize people into thinking that somehow they have been forced into paying and enjoying game for all these years. 

Actually what doesnt work is that once again youre arguing 2 completely different things. Did anyone ever say you are being forced to play a game? No. But yet you seem to have somehow interpreted it that way. What was said is that if you want to play, you are forced to pay. There is no arguing that, plain and simple, so give it up already. The only way you would be right is if there was no subscription. But there is, so youre wrong. Just deal with it. Its ok to be wrong on the internet. Youll get over it someday.

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by impiro

Originally posted by Superduper69

Wait till the excuses like..... but it is B2P!!

[mod edit]

It is b2p is actually a fine explanation, its only a one time purchase, in short term you spend more and in long term you spend less (theorically)

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Actually what doesnt work is that once again youre arguing 2 completely different things. Did anyone ever say you are being forced to play a game? No. But yet you seem to have somehow interpreted it that way. What was said is that if you want to play, you are forced to pay. There is no arguing that, plain and simple, so give it up already. The only way you would be right is if there was no subscription. But there is, so youre wrong. Just deal with it. Its ok to be wrong on the internet. Youll get over it someday.

Ahh the bossy one aren't you? didn't know that you could dictate the terms of discussion now. By the way your opinions are just that an opinion.. and every opinion can be argued. You can keep repeating 'forced to pay' all the way to kingdom come but that doesn't mean it is a universal truth.

So deal with it?

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Actually what doesnt work is that once again youre arguing 2 completely different things. Did anyone ever say you are being forced to play a game? No. But yet you seem to have somehow interpreted it that way. What was said is that if you want to play, you are forced to pay. There is no arguing that, plain and simple, so give it up already. The only way you would be right is if there was no subscription. But there is, so youre wrong. Just deal with it. Its ok to be wrong on the internet. Youll get over it someday.

Ahh the bossy one aren't you? didn't know that you could dictate the terms of discussion now. By the way your opinions are just that an opinion.. and every opinion can be argued. You can keep repeating 'forced to pay' all the way to kingdom come but that doesn't mean it is a universal truth.

So deal with it?

So the fact that you have to pay a subscription to play WoW is just my personal opinion now? Well damn Blizzards has been making billions off of my "opinion" for awhile now. Great news everyone. You no longer have to pay to play WoW. You heard it here from Superdude. Cancel your subscriptions and remove your credit cards from their systems. Its ok, youll be able to keep logging in and keep playing.

Is it sinking in yet how utterly ridiculous every point of your argument is or do I need to keep going?

Originally posted by dinams

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by impiro

Originally posted by Superduper69

Wait till the excuses like..... but it is B2P!!

[mod edit]

It is b2p is actually a fine explanation, its only a one time purchase, in short term you spend more and in long term you spend less (theorically)

 Except when you feel the urge to buy things in the cash shop to keep up with others or because other people have things you don't, cash shop is a mind game and it's worse than any sub, most people will spend more money on a game with a cash shop because it mentally tricks you into buying things one way or another.

You are not forced to pay a sub fee anyways, it is entirely your choice if the game loses it's value you just stop playing.

Besides, in GW2 you'll be paying for expansions anyways.

I also find $60 and $80 for digital downloads with very few perks quite a rip-off.

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Been wondering all day, am i the only one shocked about the $150 they are asking for their collectors edition?

 

And i am even more shocked that there are people willing to pay that for stuff that ends in the trashbin sooner or later.

 

I think its a good example of a company trying to rip off their loyal fanbase. Following in the footsteps of EA's pricing scheme for the SWTOR boxes is not a good thing.

 

If they continue down this road, with their itemshop we might be in for a sad and shattered dream.

Interestingly enough, GW2 digital deluxe includes ALL of the digital items that the CE does.  That was NOT the case with the SWTOR CE, which included access to a special CE only vendor.  No concrete information was provided about what the CE only vendor offer in game prior to purchase and it turned out to be pretty much junk.  Then again, that whole game turned out to be pretty much junk, so...

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Actually what doesnt work is that once again youre arguing 2 completely different things. Did anyone ever say you are being forced to play a game? No. But yet you seem to have somehow interpreted it that way. What was said is that if you want to play, you are forced to pay. There is no arguing that, plain and simple, so give it up already. The only way you would be right is if there was no subscription. But there is, so youre wrong. Just deal with it. Its ok to be wrong on the internet. Youll get over it someday.

Ahh the bossy one aren't you? didn't know that you could dictate the terms of discussion now. By the way your opinions are just that an opinion.. and every opinion can be argued. You can keep repeating 'forced to pay' all the way to kingdom come but that doesn't mean it is a universal truth.

So deal with it?

So the fact that you have to pay a subscription to play WoW is just my personal opinion now? Well damn Blizzards has been making billions off of my "opinion" for awhile now. Great news everyone. You no longer have to pay to play WoW. You heard it here from Superdude. Cancel your subscriptions and remove your credit cards from their systems. Its ok, youll be able to keep logging in and keep playing.

Is it sinking in yet how utterly ridiculous every point of your argument is or do I need to keep going?

For someone who loves to berate others in arguments you surely have hard time reading yourself. To pay a sub for any MMO is not matter of opinion but to translate into 'forced to pay' surely is. That is where opiniosn differ. And yes you are right the more i keep talking with you the more ridiculous it gets.

Like ive said already, nobody said you are forced to PLAY. Thats the whole thing you keep trying to argue. Of course you dont have to play. But the only way to play, if that is what you want, is by making a  required (aka forced) payment. Lets make it easier for you. Go grab a thesaurus, or use an online one. Then look up forced. Youll see the word required in there. Then go look at any subscription game and read the part where they say "subscription required".

Of course youll still turn around and say Im wrong, but hell why dont you go ahead and argue with every MMO company in the world, or better yet any subscription service of any kind, and tell them theyre all wrong and their subscriptions are not required for their services and they need to change it to "subscription optional". While youre at it, go ahead and tell your electric company, phone company, and ISP youre not going to pay them anymore but still going to use their services a smuch as you like, because your payment is optional.

If you still cant see where youre wrong, its pretty obvious youre a lost cause in oh so many ways.

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Actually what doesnt work is that once again youre arguing 2 completely different things. Did anyone ever say you are being forced to play a game? No. But yet you seem to have somehow interpreted it that way. What was said is that if you want to play, you are forced to pay. There is no arguing that, plain and simple, so give it up already. The only way you would be right is if there was no subscription. But there is, so youre wrong. Just deal with it. Its ok to be wrong on the internet. Youll get over it someday.

Ahh the bossy one aren't you? didn't know that you could dictate the terms of discussion now. By the way your opinions are just that an opinion.. and every opinion can be argued. You can keep repeating 'forced to pay' all the way to kingdom come but that doesn't mean it is a universal truth.

So deal with it?

So the fact that you have to pay a subscription to play WoW is just my personal opinion now? Well damn Blizzards has been making billions off of my "opinion" for awhile now. Great news everyone. You no longer have to pay to play WoW. You heard it here from Superdude. Cancel your subscriptions and remove your credit cards from their systems. Its ok, youll be able to keep logging in and keep playing.

Is it sinking in yet how utterly ridiculous every point of your argument is or do I need to keep going?

For someone who loves to berate others in arguments you surely have hard time reading yourself. To pay a sub for any MMO is not matter of opinion but to translate into 'forced to pay' surely is. That is where opiniosn differ. And yes you are right the more i keep talking with you the more ridiculous it gets.

Like ive said already, nobody said you are forced to PLAY. Thats the whole thing you keep trying to argue. Of course you dont have to play. But the only way to play, if that is what you want, is by making a  required (aka forced) payment. Lets make it easier for you. Go grab a thesaurus, or use an online one. Then look up forced. Youll see the word required in there. Then go look at any subscription game and read the part where they say "subscription required".

Of course youll still turn around and say Im wrong, but hell why dont you go ahead and argue with every MMO company in the world, or better yet any subscription service of any kind, and tell them theyre all wrong and their subscriptions are not required for their services and they need to change it to "subscription optional". While youre at it, go ahead and tell your electric company, phone company, and ISP youre not going to pay them anymore but still going to use their services a smuch as you like, because your payment is optional.

If you still cant see where youre wrong, its pretty obvious youre a lost cause in oh so many ways.

The thing is i am not trying to prove you wrong just a simple thing really 'i do not agree with your opinion'. And if you think i am lost because i disaree with your constant patronizing then yes i am better as lost as i have been since days of EQ. 

Also since you are comparing P2P models to B2P and then bring up electicity, internet phone etc..i actually do pay them monthly fee. And that is the worst analogy you can bring.

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by impiro

Originally posted by Superduper69

Wait till the excuses like..... but it is B2P!!

Nice trolling

More like a fact. And it is a good justification. 

Nope you were refering to gw2 fanbois' anything goes sentiment. The funny thing is, that you keep refering to it, yet it isn't there at all.
Reminds me of SWToR threads in which TOR fanboys said things like: Inb4 gw2 fbois come to complain. And multiple other references to GW2 fans, eventhough none had commented till that point at all.

You constantly act as if GW2 fans will defend GW2 no mather what, which is not true at all. Moreover, if it were true, then it really holds no connection to this subject at all. The point is, that, for the CE no excuse has to be made. Or at least not for GW2 in particular. CE prices have been rediculous for a while now in the entire gaming industry. The things is that, there is no need for excuses for this being done by ANET, because ToR's CE was the same price. People act as if Anet just did something horrible and act as if this bites GW2 fans that preach the b2p model in the ass somehow. The CE price is in line wiyth other CEs today. I find the price rediculous, but that goes for the entrie industry, and if people are crazy enough to pay of it, fine by me. But people shouldn't act as if ANEt is ripping people of, while in fact what we are talking about is a limited CE, that nobody who want to enjoy GW2 to the fullest has to buy.

Originally posted by Pivotelite

Originally posted by dinams

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by impiro

Originally posted by Superduper69

Wait till the excuses like..... but it is B2P!!

Nice trolling

More like fact. And it is a good justification. 

It is b2p is actually a fine explanation, its only a one time purchase, in short term you spend more and in long term you spend less (theorically)

 Except when you feel the urge to buy things in the cash shop to keep up with others or because other people have things you don't, cash shop is a mind game and it's worse than any sub, most people will spend more money on a game with a cash shop because it mentally tricks you into buying things one way or another.

 

You are not forced to pay a sub fee anyways, it is entirely your choice if the game loses it's value you just stop playing.

 

Besides, in GW2 you'll be paying for expansions anyways.

 

I also find $60 and $80 for digital downloads with very few perks quite a rip-off.

GW1 was also B2 and also had a cash shop. There were no real advantages to buying things, pretty much just fluff / cosmetic items. And when it comes to cash shops of any kind in any game, theres no tricking going on. Its not as if theyre using their telekinetic powers to reach into your wallet and pull out your credit card from across the world. Every time you make a purchase, its a decision you make based on wether or not you feel it is worth the cost. They tell you exactly what youre buying before you pay for it.. Its not hidden from you, or a lie. The whole "keeping up with the Jones's" thing is just evidence of someone being too dim to make a good rational decision and instead impulse buyng because they feel the need to fit in. If anyone has ever felt theyve been "tricked" into buying something in a cash shop, well id like to sell that person some magical beans.

As was explained to superdude, forced to pay and forced to play are 2 different things. You MUST pay to play. But you dont have to play if you choose not to.

You have to pay to get expansions in pretty much every game. Its not like thats new to B2P. (uhoh, sorry i said "have to". nevermind, according to some people its optional. theyll just give it to you without paying)

$60 has pretty much become the standard of any game (except for low-budget / indie games), including games that charge you monthly fees on top of paying that $60.

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by kaiser3282

Actually what doesnt work is that once again youre arguing 2 completely different things. Did anyone ever say you are being forced to play a game? No. But yet you seem to have somehow interpreted it that way. What was said is that if you want to play, you are forced to pay. There is no arguing that, plain and simple, so give it up already. The only way you would be right is if there was no subscription. But there is, so youre wrong. Just deal with it. Its ok to be wrong on the internet. Youll get over it someday.

Ahh the bossy one aren't you? didn't know that you could dictate the terms of discussion now. By the way your opinions are just that an opinion.. and every opinion can be argued. You can keep repeating 'forced to pay' all the way to kingdom come but that doesn't mean it is a universal truth.

So deal with it?

So the fact that you have to pay a subscription to play WoW is just my personal opinion now? Well damn Blizzards has been making billions off of my "opinion" for awhile now. Great news everyone. You no longer have to pay to play WoW. You heard it here from Superdude. Cancel your subscriptions and remove your credit cards from their systems. Its ok, youll be able to keep logging in and keep playing.

Is it sinking in yet how utterly ridiculous every point of your argument is or do I need to keep going?

For someone who loves to berate others in arguments you surely have hard time reading yourself. To pay a sub for any MMO is not matter of opinion but to translate into 'forced to pay' surely is. That is where opiniosn differ. And yes you are right the more i keep talking with you the more ridiculous it gets.

Like ive said already, nobody said you are forced to PLAY. Thats the whole thing you keep trying to argue. Of course you dont have to play. But the only way to play, if that is what you want, is by making a  required (aka forced) payment. Lets make it easier for you. Go grab a thesaurus, or use an online one. Then look up forced. Youll see the word required in there. Then go look at any subscription game and read the part where they say "subscription required".

Of course youll still turn around and say Im wrong, but hell why dont you go ahead and argue with every MMO company in the world, or better yet any subscription service of any kind, and tell them theyre all wrong and their subscriptions are not required for their services and they need to change it to "subscription optional". While youre at it, go ahead and tell your electric company, phone company, and ISP youre not going to pay them anymore but still going to use their services a smuch as you like, because your payment is optional.

If you still cant see where youre wrong, its pretty obvious youre a lost cause in oh so many ways.

The thing is i am not trying to prove you wrong just a simple thing really 'i do not agree with your opinion'. And if you think i am lost because i disaree with your constant patronizing then yes i am better as lost as i have been since days of EQ. 

Also since you are comparing P2P models to B2P and then bring up electicity, internet phone etc..i actually do pay them monthly fee. And that is the worst analogy you can bring.

How exactly is it my opinion that you have to pay a subscription to play a subscription game, like WoW? Pretty sure thats a fact. You have yet to convince me otherwise, yet you keep insisting that its only my opinion that you have to pay that subscription.

And why would you pay them monthly? Youre not forced to right? According to your logic for several posts, having to pay for a service is just my opinion isnt it? You said it yourself, so why wouldnt you just tell them their opinion is wrong too and you dont have to pay to use your electricity?

Originally posted by Pivotelite

Originally posted by dinams

Originally posted by Superduper69

Originally posted by impiro

Originally posted by Superduper69

Wait till the excuses like..... but it is B2P!!

Nice trolling

More like fact. And it is a good justification. 

It is b2p is actually a fine explanation, its only a one time purchase, in short term you spend more and in long term you spend less (theorically)

 Except when you feel the urge to buy things in the cash shop to keep up with others or because other people have things you don't, cash shop is a mind game and it's worse than any sub, most people will spend more money on a game with a cash shop because it mentally tricks you into buying things one way or another.

 

 

You are not forced to pay a sub fee anyways, it is entirely your choice if the game loses it's value you just stop playing.

 

Besides, in GW2 you'll be paying for expansions anyways.

 

I also find $60 and $80 for digital downloads with very few perks quite a rip-off.

I think it is hilarious that people still try to infer that GW2's shop will be like an asian ftp mmo. Do you know how Gw1's shop worked? if you did, you would know that the above sentiment is wrong. If you dont, you are still wrong, since that is how GW2's shop will be like. 

Also how is $60 a rip-off exactly? Since pretty much every mediocre console games costs $60? Not only that but allmost any new "AAA" mmo cost this much, and with those you only get 30 days to play it before you have to pay again.

Surely, if you just think that all the pricing in the games industry is a rip-off, you might be right. However, it seems ot to specifically point this criticism towards GW2's pricing, since its the same as with any other game. in fact, its actually better than the standard in the gams industry. So it is just rediculous to complain about GW2's pricing in particular.