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  Ghost12

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3/10/12 1:52:15 PM#21
Originally posted by JeroKane

You know what is funny?  EA / Bioware basically screwed themselves over with these sad/bad endings in ME3. 

With the vast majority of people outraged and depressed by how this game ends... no one is gonna bother buying any DLC for this game anymore! 

I mean... what's the point?  It's over!  Sheppard is DEAD!  Most of the companions/characters you cared about... DEAD! So with all of us having this sour taste in our mouths are now just gonna walk away and move on. It's done.

So from a pure business point of view... I can't even comprehend how this game even got approved to be released with these 3 endings!


Sheppard is DEAD....

Didnt he die already? AND come back?

Lol. So much drama over this game. OMG, everyone's dead! I swear, some gamers are some of the most gullible people on the planet.... Just watch, 6 months from now theres going to be an announcement for an ME4. Do you really think with the success of the franchise, they will end it here?

No way. ME is here to stay. Bioware is pulling on your little heartstrings. XD

Do you know theres talks for a Mass Effect movie?

  JeroKane

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3/10/12 2:02:03 PM#22
Originally posted by Ghost12
Originally posted by JeroKane

You know what is funny?  EA / Bioware basically screwed themselves over with these sad/bad endings in ME3. 

With the vast majority of people outraged and depressed by how this game ends... no one is gonna bother buying any DLC for this game anymore! 

I mean... what's the point?  It's over!  Sheppard is DEAD!  Most of the companions/characters you cared about... DEAD! So with all of us having this sour taste in our mouths are now just gonna walk away and move on. It's done.

So from a pure business point of view... I can't even comprehend how this game even got approved to be released with these 3 endings!


Sheppard is DEAD....

Didnt he die already? AND come back?

Lol. So much drama over this game. OMG, everyone's dead! I swear, some gamers are some of the most gullible people on the planet.... Just watch, 6 months from now theres going to be an announcement for an ME4. Do you really think with the success of the franchise, they will end it here?

No way. ME is here to stay. Bioware is pulling on your little heartstrings. XD

Do you know theres talks for a Mass Effect movie?

 They said many times that there will only be 3 ME games, hence how ME3 ends. It really feels as an END! But one that leaves a sour taste in your mouth!

This was not the case with the ME1 and ME2.... those endings were pretty much open, knowing there will be a next.

With ME3 it is not.

  eyeswideopen

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3/10/12 2:08:50 PM#23
Originally posted by DOGMA1138

WARNING MAJOR SPOILERS A HEAD

 

Mass Effect 3 inst crap it was just BADDD, and i mean BAD as it can get with an Mass Effect game.

Lets break it down, forget the Jersy Shore crap and Day 1 DLC every thing in the game just doesnt fit together.

 

The Setting:

The game it self just cant figure out its own pace - the reapers invade and you might thing well lets grab every one and go as soon as possible but heck cant justify doing side missions(and well get back to them) so they remind us that the cycle take centuries to complete, but then again you dont give a flying fuck about the cycle you just care for eart so you need to rush things.

The game just cant make up its mind and instead of making this whole issue a core mechanic of the game it is an RPG(or atleast it still pretends to be one instead of Gears of War with a quest hub and a tad better script).

BioWare should've made you choose between a beter fate of the entire galaxy vs a better fate for the human race, every desicion in the game should've been counter towards this.

Heck if might have worked better if you would've have an ingame callendar atleast  the lack of any awerness to how much time has passed just makes the game seems like a mess. From Earth's POV it seems like only a few days have passes, but from the overall POV of the game it seems that months, if not years have passes. Refugees from every where, The building of the curcible, Sancutary and other cerberous operations that should've taken months of not years to complete plauge the whole setting and turn it into a complete mess.

The Story(Entagonist):

The story is by far the weakest of all titles in the series, the actions of cerberous in most case don't make any sense, they do make some sense in the end when you realize that the illusive man was indoctronated but this should've been exposed much earlier in order to make the story more plausible and more comprehansible.

Mass Effect 3 - The Wrath of Kahn:

God this game likes to kill people, yeah killing charcters is a good way of playing on the player's emotions especially when the player is invested emotianaly in their personal story.

But and this is a big BUT when every mission turns into a Star Trek away team and one of the lead characters in the game or past games allways and i mean allways plays ensign smith which you know is not going to make it it stops being effective and starts being damn annoying.

And many of the deaths cant be avoided, yeah Tali's suicide can be avoided for example but many other encounter will allways have a death toll no matter what.

For example if you take the time to speak to Thane then when Cerberous attacks the council he will die instead of Lt. Kurahee(sp?) in both cases every thing plays out the same but if choose to invest more in the game you are litterly being punished for it. Many other charcters seems to be in this game just for the sake of killing them, or atleast the possibilty of their death.

After a couple of hours in this game especially if you let it play trough with out using any alligment QTE's you have enough boddies to stop caring.

Desicions - They Just Don't Matter:

Many of the Renegade vs Paragon(alltough in this game they are just fucked up) just don't seem to matter in the long run, whether you choose the krogan or the solarians, the geth or the Quarians(Or both) it just doesn't matter in the long run - especially if you supliment your SP experience with Multiplayer(since it basicaly can multiply your effective "strenght" ala upgrades in ME2).

The sesicions should have directly effected the ending would you rather survive with your honor and humanity intact or surive at all cost? would you sacrifice a few to save many, or weather you deside that what ever will its every one or no one?

This again combined with some sort of a "clock" should've been a core game mechanic that should''ve shaped your entire progression and the ending and not how much "reputation" you got and how many war assests you have managed to gather.

The Ending:

Well one big let down, we finally get to the intersting part and thats it? The Catalyst  the closest thing to a "God"(The) a real one that we get in the game manifest it self in a form of a child? Tells us basicaly nothing? Gives us upto 3 options based only on how many ships we managed to get along the way?

And what is the ending really? Well there are 3 options, each of them depending on how bad/not ready enough the earth is destoryed, in all of them the mass relays and most if not all the tech is destoryed, all of them have an options for shepard to be alive alltough i havent figured out what triggers it(happened to me 2nd time i've finished the game, with the red choise(ala the bad one))

Red Ending: You destory all syntetic life in the galaxy(doesnt make sense but wait) earth either survives or gets destoryed, all the mas relays blow up.  The normandy crashes on a remote planet with out any explanation of how it got there.

Blue Ending: You choose the control the reapers(die in the proccess atleast i did) earth either survives or gets destroyed, the normandy crashes on a remote planet with out any explanation of how it got there, Joker, Liara, and Garrus come out of it.

Green Ending: You choose to sacrifice your self uniting your self with the catalyst and reweriting the DNA of every thing in the galaxy to combine syntetics and organics(yeah WTF?!).

The normandy crashes on a remote planet, the leaves now all have  70's era integrated curcits on them, joker comes out his skin and even his hat has the same circuts drawn on them, EDI comes, yeah liara and garrus are there too...

Epilog: This is all has been a story told to a child by his grandtahter about the "shepard" yeah another WTF, the planet they are on seems to be the same planet that the Normandy has crash landed on which means that they were desendants of the surviving normandy crew.

So yeah in all endings every thing gets blown to bits, no mass relays no more advanced tech(i assume that the energy released by the curcible either destroyed all EZ in the universe or some how prevents the manituplation of mass) you got a huge fleet of the dominant species in the universe basicaly stranded in the SOL system - and every thing was just a tall tale.

I don't really know how to put it in any other words than dissapointment, its not the bleak endings, its not that shepard dies(or not) its just a complete lack of sense and accomplishment...

Lack of any RPG elements:

As with many other aspects of the game the RPG side of ME3 is not only the weakest in the series it just doesn't exist.

Niether Shepard nor any other major Char in the game develops trough the game, you dont find any thing new about any one, there arent even any technical elements to the game.

The Chars in the game are plain boring, the new one you get James, is well the only Char in ME ever i never talked too, tried it nothing intersitng happens, and the old chars seemed to be turned into one line type casts - they've just taken the most "extreme" attribute of every char and emplified it.

The only char i feel they've havent ruined was Mordin but he never becomes a crew memeber and dies with in the first 90-120min of the game.

"It must be me - some one else might have gotten it wrong" and Mordin sings scientist salarain as he meets his fate was the single shining point in this whole game to me.

ME3 is as much of an RPG as Call of Duty is, no "loot", limited weapon upgrades, very limited skill choises, i cant even all this a techincal RPG any more, ME2 was bad enough but ME3 is basically you get what are basically perks and weapon mods thats it.

Nothing really effects your play style maybe besides you basic "class" choise, but you can pretty much finish the game with weapons since the combat isn't intersting either - but well get to that too.

The Combat:

Well the combat is OK, good even, heck its quit great but it isnt Mass Effect.

In Mass Effect one the combat didn't made you feel like you were some assult rifle wielding god, you were fragile and human. In ME3 every thing can be solved with lead and you feel like rambo.

The "Heavy Weapons" have been removed from the game, yes you can still pick them up but they are basiclaly placed there as a one time only use weapon to get your self out of hairy situtation, and atleast playing on normal and hard you dont need them.

Boss fights have allso been pretty much removed from this game with maybe the exclusion of kai leng... Where is the human reaper? Where is Saren?

This game litterly feels like COD you come to a "choke point" you fight X waves of enemies and you move on. Nothing in the combat is either that engaging or intersting, especially at the later levels when you one shot all but a few enemies.

The Enviorments:

Mass Effect 3 looks great(atleast on the PC) yeah there are some unexplainably low textures especially in the first level(shepards outfit for example) but the enviroments and the char detail is much better than we've seen before - but this comes at a price.

The enviorments are completly closed and liniar, Mass Effect turned from a some what open game(ME1) to basically a pure dungeon crawler where you go from one corridor to another.

The citidel is alst the worst we've seen the enviorments in the citidel were basically reduced to somthing you can put in your back yard with a single elevator taking you to all places.

The normany is also smaller, or atleast feels that way and much more soulless than ever before.

Misc Annoyances:

The game is just filled with tons of small annoyances and dissapointments that just bring the whole game down.

N7 Missions: All N7 Missions(but 1 or 2) are the MP maps with allmost the same objectives maps that look smaller then my bed room in which you need to run from one corner to the next killing some guys and clicking a console.

Space Exploration/Scanning: In ME3 you need to scan planets to finish some of the side quests and get more war assests, but they've intereduced a new elements "reapers" once you've hit the initial scan in the system it will take about 10 seconds for 4-5 reapers to pop up and once they've touched you its game over. There is no possible way of getting all the scans in a single system with out triggering them even if you know which palents or parts of space to scane. Once the reapers show up its basicaly a game of how fast you can hit "investigate" or "enter orbit" on the lower right side of the screen.

Jersy Shore: Enough Said

From Ashes: No not that they've added Day 1 DLC with such a major PLOT line as a living PROTHEAN but the fact that they've done so LITTLE with it. Yeah you get Javik(the Jamaican Prothean) and besides one semi intersting encounter in the citidel with some random people there is nothing intersting about the whole mission.

The DLC it self is crap the map is tiny the entire DLC takes less than 20min to complete and is just one big spit to the face for people who actually payed 20US/EUR extra for the N7 edition or bought it off origin.

Bah im getting depressed just from writing this replay, i can go one for 4 days about every thing which was done poorly or right out wrong in this game and still wont even being to scratcht he surface.

 

 

/signed and agreed 100%.

 

Originally posted by JeroKane

You know what is funny?  EA / Bioware basically screwed themselves over with these sad/bad endings in ME3. 

With the vast majority of people outraged and depressed by how this game ends... no one is gonna bother buying any DLC for this game anymore! 

I mean... what's the point?  It's over!  Sheppard is DEAD!  Most of the companions/characters you cared about... DEAD! So with all of us having this sour taste in our mouths are now just gonna walk away and move on. It's done.

So from a pure business point of view... I can't even comprehend how this game even got approved to be released with these 3 endings!

Funny part is, they basically just copied the "endings" from Deus Ex: Human Revolution.

-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
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  Unlight

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3/10/12 2:14:50 PM#24
Originally posted by stragen001

FFS, what is it with GW2 fanboys flaming anything and everything that isnt GW2 at the moment. 

Mass Effect 3 has to be one of the best games I have ever played. Its a toss up between ME3 and Skyrim. 

If ME3 is so bad how comes every review out there, except yours, is giving it 90 - 100%?

I know its fashionable to flame bioware at the moment, but SWTOR and ME3 are completely different games made by completely different dev teams......and ME3 is frigging awesome. 

 

 

Looks to me like you're the first poster to bring up GW2 in this thread.  That makes you a sh*t disturber.

For my part, I don't care about ME3.  My beef is with EA and it goes back before GW1 ever released.

Now do continuing your stirring...

  calranthe

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OP  3/10/12 2:39:22 PM#25
Originally posted by JeroKane

You know what is funny?  EA / Bioware basically screwed themselves over with these sad/bad endings in ME3. 

With the vast majority of people outraged and depressed by how this game ends... no one is gonna bother buying any DLC for this game anymore! 

I mean... what's the point?  It's over!  Sheppard is DEAD!  Most of the companions/characters you cared about... DEAD! So with all of us having this sour taste in our mouths are now just gonna walk away and move on. It's done.

So from a pure business point of view... I can't even comprehend how this game even got approved to be released with these 3 endings!

I apologise that with your limited hollywood reality and rose coloured glasses may not be able to comprehend that life is not all flowers and roses, that some times the dog does not survive, the president making a speech does not fit everything or peopel may not live happily ever after.

What the hell did you expect, we are talking reapers here, REAPERS, for two episodes they have been explaining to us how these guys come along every 50k years and wipe everything out, so technologically advanced that it should make you cry yourself to sleep.

OMG a game where the enemies are not idiots, where being a hero does not solve everything.

This seems to be a western thing because if you watch a lot of japanese and asian films or even childrens series people die, some times heroics gets you killed, some times that guy you really liked (ultraman) using that power was killing him and half way through a series he is dead and the girl you really liked she had been dead from the start..

Life can such, cancer exists, children die and fair only really exists in fiction.

We have enough fluffy pink games/movies where the good guys always win but visit a damn cancer ward for an afternoon and tell me does the good guys always win ?

I am not saying everything sucks but it is nice to have a game where heroics comes at a price, I mean how many western films and games do we watch and play where you are faced with true evil, faced with unsurmountable odds and then at the end the director or dev bottles it and lets the guy live by some miraculous event....he takes a shot in the chest but his cigar case takes the bullet, a cure is found, we have been indoctrinated far worse than any reaper lol.

Kudos bioware for playing this game out the only way it could against these odds

 

  JeroKane

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3/10/12 2:45:55 PM#26
Originally posted by calranthe
Originally posted by JeroKane

You know what is funny?  EA / Bioware basically screwed themselves over with these sad/bad endings in ME3. 

With the vast majority of people outraged and depressed by how this game ends... no one is gonna bother buying any DLC for this game anymore! 

I mean... what's the point?  It's over!  Sheppard is DEAD!  Most of the companions/characters you cared about... DEAD! So with all of us having this sour taste in our mouths are now just gonna walk away and move on. It's done.

So from a pure business point of view... I can't even comprehend how this game even got approved to be released with these 3 endings!

I apologise that with your limited hollywood reality and rose coloured glasses may not be able to comprehend that life is not all flowers and roses, that some times the dog does not survive, the president making a speech does not fit everything or peopel may not live happily ever after.

What the hell did you expect, we are talking reapers here, REAPERS, for two episodes they have been explaining to us how these guys come along every 50k years and wipe everything out, so technologically advanced that it should make you cry yourself to sleep.

OMG a game where the enemies are not idiots, where being a hero does not solve everything.

This seems to be a western thing because if you watch a lot of japanese and asian films or even childrens series people die, some times heroics gets you killed, some times that guy you really liked (ultraman) using that power was killing him and half way through a series he is dead and the girl you really liked she had been dead from the start..

Life can such, cancer exists, children die and fair only really exists in fiction.

We have enough fluffy pink games/movies where the good guys always win but visit a damn cancer ward for an afternoon and tell me does the good guys always win ?

I am not saying everything sucks but it is nice to have a game where heroics comes at a price, I mean how many western films and games do we watch and play where you are faced with true evil, faced with unsurmountable odds and then at the end the director or dev bottles it and lets the guy live by some miraculous event....he takes a shot in the chest but his cigar case takes the bullet, a cure is found, we have been indoctrinated far worse than any reaper lol.

Kudos bioware for playing this game out the only way it could against these odds

 

 I didn't mind sheppard dying in the end. It's how the end is as a whole that doesn't make sense.

Too many questions left unanswered. That's what leave me (and many many others) a sour taste in my mouth.

I can take a sad ending... especially as we knew this was gonna end one way or the other, as they have always been saying there will be only three ME games.

All I am saying is, that I don't understand the three endings at all, as they are pretty much the exact same, giving you the same feeling no matter what! ... really not worth grinding your brains out to get max readiness. I had expected much much more diversity in the three different endings (with maybe at least one of them being "less" sad ... leaving the doorway open for future DLC).

The thing is, and many many people will feel the same, that I really do feel I am done and finished with the game and won't touch any DLC that might come out later, as I don't see the point. The chapter is closed for me, left me with a sad feeling (again... that's ok with me) and sour taste in my mouth.

Also, unlike with previous two games, I have absolutely no desire to replay it again, as I know how it ends and with so little difference in the three endings... not seeing the point either.

 

  Ikeda

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3/10/12 2:54:25 PM#27

Uhhh... what?

You do realize the Sheppard didn't die in a couple of the endings right?

See the good IGN post:

http://www.ign.com/wikis/mass-effect-3/Endings

 

No worries.. they did a fairly decent job at minimizing the spoilers.

  JeroKane

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3/10/12 3:02:59 PM#28
Originally posted by Ikeda

Uhhh... what?

You do realize the Sheppard didn't die in a couple of the endings right?

See the good IGN post:

http://www.ign.com/wikis/mass-effect-3/Endings

 

No worries.. they did a fairly decent job at minimizing the spoilers.

 There are basically three different endings and in one he did not actually die, as he took control of the reapers instead... but he could just as well be dead anyway, being left all alone... seperated from the Normandy crew that survived. I would just shot myself in the head if I were sheppard and get it over with.

Worst is, all the extra effort you have to put into the game, to get that ending.... is just another slap in the face!

Fact is, there really is way too little variation among the three different endings.....they really are basically just the same! Giving me the feeling it was a rush job, to get the game out the door in time! Nothing more.

PS.  I would take the IGN article with a grain of salt, as the whole secret ending unlock has already been debunked! It does not exist!

 

  calranthe

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OP  3/10/12 3:07:44 PM#29

Sorry why should everything be answered for you, some of the best films and games out there leave you to make your own decisions and some times no answer is given.

  Ghost12

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Where is the innovation?

3/10/12 5:10:24 PM#30
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Ghost12
Originally posted by JeroKane

You know what is funny?  EA / Bioware basically screwed themselves over with these sad/bad endings in ME3. 

With the vast majority of people outraged and depressed by how this game ends... no one is gonna bother buying any DLC for this game anymore! 

I mean... what's the point?  It's over!  Sheppard is DEAD!  Most of the companions/characters you cared about... DEAD! So with all of us having this sour taste in our mouths are now just gonna walk away and move on. It's done.

So from a pure business point of view... I can't even comprehend how this game even got approved to be released with these 3 endings!


Sheppard is DEAD....

Didnt he die already? AND come back?

Lol. So much drama over this game. OMG, everyone's dead! I swear, some gamers are some of the most gullible people on the planet.... Just watch, 6 months from now theres going to be an announcement for an ME4. Do you really think with the success of the franchise, they will end it here?

No way. ME is here to stay. Bioware is pulling on your little heartstrings. XD

Do you know theres talks for a Mass Effect movie?

 They said many times that there will only be 3 ME games, hence how ME3 ends. It really feels as an END! But one that leaves a sour taste in your mouth!

This was not the case with the ME1 and ME2.... those endings were pretty much open, knowing there will be a next.

With ME3 it is not.

How do you know? Do you have a crystal ball that can see into the future?

People change.

Oh and theres this thing called a "spinoff" you may have heard of it...

  calranthe

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OP  3/13/12 3:48:50 AM#31

I just finished my first run through in the game, 44 hours 37mins..and I seriousely bow to Bioware..

This game made me cry is some parts, for my first play through I did it sitting on the couch watching a 37" screen using my wireless keyboard and mouse, wife sat down with me, as she did for mass effect 1 and 2.

I will not go into spoilers in my post, my ending was not the best or the worst, the game was a journey, cinematic, heart felt,  I did not rush through or want to "beat" the game, I played to experience the story, the characters, it was to me, to my wife handled amazingly.

Every time I visited the citadel I saw the fear on peoples faces, every part of the story the desperation.

Not many films, books effect me like this and I completed it 12 hours a go, it is still effecting me, yes it was not a happy go lucky ending but it fit, it really did and that ending was built up from the very start of the game..

I and my wife will now start our own run throughs on the game, on our own pc's.

I will be buying any and all dlc that belongs to this game and I feel sorry for any story based games that come later because this game this series has set the bar high.

All of the above is my opinion, wifes opinion and is true for us both and I hope others out there.

One little fact, a lot of you get stuck on the day 1 dlc but please remember I bought the collectors edition I paid £20 extra and part of that content was the dlc, offering it day one to everyone else was in my eyes a reasonable thing for a business and all companies are suposed to be business.

 

Thank you bioware for giving me an ending to the shepard saga that I did not expect but I can accept .

  Xerenix

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3/13/12 4:12:06 AM#32
Originally posted by calranthe

I just finished my first run through in the game, 44 hours 37mins..and I seriousely bow to Bioware..

This game made me cry is some parts, for my first play through I did it sitting on the couch watching a 37" screen using my wireless keyboard and mouse, wife sat down with me, as she did for mass effect 1 and 2.

I will not go into spoilers in my post, my ending was not the best or the worst, the game was a journey, cinematic, heart felt,  I did not rush through or want to "beat" the game, I played to experience the story, the characters, it was to me, to my wife handled amazingly.

Every time I visited the citadel I saw the fear on peoples faces, every part of the story the desperation.

Not many films, books effect me like this and I completed it 12 hours a go, it is still effecting me, yes it was not a happy go lucky ending but it fit, it really did and that ending was built up from the very start of the game..

I and my wife will now start our own run throughs on the game, on our own pc's.

I will be buying any and all dlc that belongs to this game and I feel sorry for any story based games that come later because this game this series has set the bar high.

All of the above is my opinion, wifes opinion and is true for us both and I hope others out there.

One little fact, a lot of you get stuck on the day 1 dlc but please remember I bought the collectors edition I paid £20 extra and part of that content was the dlc, offering it day one to everyone else was in my eyes a reasonable thing for a business and all companies are suposed to be business.

 

Thank you bioware for giving me an ending to the shepard saga that I did not expect but I can accept .

This comment fits me exactly except the crying part but they really made me laugh alot with the usual Joker and EDI conversations.

The Normandy really felt alive in ME3 with all the characters moving around the ship and talking with each other through the comms  instead of the usual "Everyone stays in there rooms the entire time while silent" and seeing some companions drunk almost made me fall off the chair. A drunk Tali with her "Emergency Injection Straw... err i mean Port" was just hilarious.

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