Originally posted by Tacomeat

 

Ok I’m just trying to get some clarfication and see if I’m comprehending this correctly, because if what I see in the skill tool is all that is offered in terms of weapon skills, then I will seriously be contemplating whether I purchase this game or not.  

 

If the following is false you don't have to read the below past the line and I’ll eat my hat and humbly ask for a lecture and links:  Skills are assigned by weapons.  There is no bigger pool of offensive skills that can be used with all weapons (like utility skills) meaning that the skills that are pre-assigned to the weapons you wield will be what you have to play with for the rest of the game excluding utility/elite skills.

 

Ex:  In wow the weapon you use doesn’t matter, you get your skills from a trainer and they remain the same.  But in Gw2, your skills are determined by your weapon forcing you to possibly play say with swords when that person may actually want to play with axes (me). 

 

I noticed on the skills tool and Totalhalibut’s warrior video, that each weapon does something the other weapons cannot or are better at. 

 

Ex:  Swords are obviously a bleeding type weapon.  Sever artery (1 slot), Impale (offhand 4^th slot), Riposte (5^th slot).  3 of the 5 skills you “have to use” are for bleeding.  “If you wanna make guys bleed, then this is the way to do so.—Totalbiscuit" 

 

 

If the above is true, I may not be buying this game because I consider not being able to choose the weapon you want, without feeling gimped, to be a severe flaw and I want to play this game very much.  (If I understand this correctly, you can have as many weapons as you want, you just can only have 2 in-combat weapons at 1 time.  Once out of combat you can equip as you please).  

 

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Point is you have to choose a weapon based on its skills, not on what you actually want to fight with which imo sucks. 

 

My dilemma: (Warrior) I want to go into pvp with dual axes because I love axes, but the dual axes don't have enough mobility compared to the greatsword with 2 mobility skills plus the utility skill Bull’s Charge equaling 3 gap closers vs 1 gap closer with Bull’s Charge with dual axes.  So if I don’t pick the greatsword, then I can’t be as mobile as I wish to be which means if I decided to play the way I wanted anyway, I would be kited to death (depending on if my opponents has more than one gap opener or knock backs and other variables like terrain).

 

So in order to play the way you want, you have to be lucky and hope the skills that are assigned to the weapons are the ones you like and want to work with. 

 

The argument of switching:  “You can have 2 weapons at a time and switch between them during combat.” Doesn’t change the fact that I am being forced or rather I “have” to bring along that weapon as my choice if I want to do what I want to do…which actually defeats the purpose of this action because if I bring the weapon that has the skills I need but don’t particularly want to use, I give up my second weapon slot which I intended for another weapon,  (Again I haven't read anywhere yet that you can carry as many weapons as you wish, you just have to equip 2 and only 2 in-combat weapons so if that's the case that relieves me a bit)

 

Other gripes: 

 

Why the hell are there no 2h Axes!?  If they don’t add them in by the next expansion I’m going game developer hunting with a battleaxe!

 

I’m a little annoyed that the amount of skills you have at your disposal seems small and limiting.  I haven' t played Gw but I read somewhere that they have something like 1000 skills to pick and choose from which sounds like oodles of fun.  I assumed the same for GW2 but the skill choices, according to the skill tool, looks very limiting.  

 

Looking at the skills in total sure you have a lot, but they are actually situational and divided up, under water skills can’t be used on land vise versa, downed skills obviously only available when downed…well you get the point. 

It seems you think you can only wield Dual Axes when you can actually wield Dual Axes and a Greatsword.
Looky here; http://gw2.luna-atra.fr/skills_tool/?lang=en&code=34a7g078h6m33qia7000000

The trait system also allows you to modify your setup in a way that allows you to do what you want to do. Just looky here;

http://www.gw2tools.com/#t-w-aaaaa:aaa.aaa.aaa.aaa.aaa

You can do things like make your axe bleed people on crit (dual strike gives fury, fury gives precision, precision increases crit chance), make your character move faster while wielding melee weapons and even immobilize people when you cripple them (throw axe cripples the enemies it hits). The combat system goes a lot deeper than you think man.

These traits I selected are probably some of the things you are looking for http://www.gw2tools.com/#t-w-fNaff:Zaa.YZa.aaa.daa.daa

Originally posted by Tacomeat

 

Ok I’m just trying to get some clarfication and see if I’m comprehending this correctly, because if what I see in the skill tool is all that is offered in terms of weapon skills, then I will seriously be contemplating whether I purchase this game or not.  

 

If the following is false you don't have to read the below past the line and I’ll eat my hat and humbly ask for a lecture and links:  Skills are assigned by weapons.  There is no bigger pool of offensive skills that can be used with all weapons (like utility skills) meaning that the skills that are pre-assigned to the weapons you wield will be what you have to play with for the rest of the game excluding utility/elite skills.

 

Ex:  In wow the weapon you use doesn’t matter, you get your skills from a trainer and they remain the same.  But in Gw2, your skills are determined by your weapon forcing you to possibly play say with swords when that person may actually want to play with axes (me). 

 

I noticed on the skills tool and Totalhalibut’s warrior video, that each weapon does something the other weapons cannot or are better at. 

 

Ex:  Swords are obviously a bleeding type weapon.  Sever artery (1 slot), Impale (offhand 4^th slot), Riposte (5^th slot).  3 of the 5 skills you “have to use” are for bleeding.  “If you wanna make guys bleed, then this is the way to do so.—Totalbiscuit" 

 

 

If the above is true, I may not be buying this game because I consider not being able to choose the weapon you want, without feeling gimped, to be a severe flaw and I want to play this game very much.  (If I understand this correctly, you can have as many weapons as you want, you just can only have 2 in-combat weapons at 1 time.  Once out of combat you can equip as you please).  

 

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Point is you have to choose a weapon based on its skills, not on what you actually want to fight with which imo sucks. 

 

My dilemma: (Warrior) I want to go into pvp with dual axes because I love axes, but the dual axes don't have enough mobility compared to the greatsword with 2 mobility skills plus the utility skill Bull’s Charge equaling 3 gap closers vs 1 gap closer with Bull’s Charge with dual axes.  So if I don’t pick the greatsword, then I can’t be as mobile as I wish to be which means if I decided to play the way I wanted anyway, I would be kited to death (depending on if my opponents has more than one gap opener or knock backs and other variables like terrain).

 

So in order to play the way you want, you have to be lucky and hope the skills that are assigned to the weapons are the ones you like and want to work with. 

 

The argument of switching:  “You can have 2 weapons at a time and switch between them during combat.” Doesn’t change the fact that I am being forced or rather I “have” to bring along that weapon as my choice if I want to do what I want to do…which actually defeats the purpose of this action because if I bring the weapon that has the skills I need but don’t particularly want to use, I give up my second weapon slot which I intended for another weapon,  (Again I haven't read anywhere yet that you can carry as many weapons as you wish, you just have to equip 2 and only 2 in-combat weapons so if that's the case that relieves me a bit)

 

Other gripes: 

 

Why the hell are there no 2h Axes!?  If they don’t add them in by the next expansion I’m going game developer hunting with a battleaxe!

 

I’m a little annoyed that the amount of skills you have at your disposal seems small and limiting.  I haven' t played Gw but I read somewhere that they have something like 1000 skills to pick and choose from which sounds like oodles of fun.  I assumed the same for GW2 but the skill choices, according to the skill tool, looks very limiting.  

 

Looking at the skills in total sure you have a lot, but they are actually situational and divided up, under water skills can’t be used on land vise versa, downed skills obviously only available when downed…well you get the point. 

Well if you want to use 2 axes you dont need to worry about being kited 1 of the warrior axe skill involves throwing axes at the target (ranged attack) if i remember correctly, Also you can use your 3 utility spots and u can put speed increase skills. Axe skill are based for max dmg (burst dmg) over anything else.

Originally posted by Tacomeat

Yeah I intended to go in with a greatsword, close the gap and then switch to axes and go nuts.  Or just go with a hammer for control.  I don't know how fast the weapon swaps are or how long the cd is... trying to find info on that now.  

I think its around 20 seconds cooldown (thought i heard it somewhere in a video could be wrong)  from switching weapons im a fairly certain that warriors get a trait that reduces the cooldown on weapon swapping.

OP want all weapons to behave the same?

Sounds boring to me, sorry OP but there are other games like that for you.

I actually love that your abilities/skills change pending on the weapon you use. To me it adds some variance and interest to the gameplay rather than a negative or flaw.

Originally posted by sanshi44

Originally posted by Tacomeat

Yeah I intended to go in with a greatsword, close the gap and then switch to axes and go nuts.  Or just go with a hammer for control.  I don't know how fast the weapon swaps are or how long the cd is... trying to find info on that now.  

I think its around 20 seconds cooldown (thought i heard it somewhere in a video could be wrong)  from switching weapons im a fairly certain that warriors get a trait that reduces the cooldown on weapon swapping.

It's not quite that simple. Depends a lot on class, talents, etc. current.

For the warrior, I think you can get weapon swaps down to like ~10second cooldown or so. For other classes it's higher.

- As for going greatsword to close the game, then switching to dual axes.. You're switching between 2 weapon sets that function very similarly. You gain the skill combo from whirling axe (which spams projectiles when used inside a field), but you are carrying a lot of redundant skills (both have cripples, heavy damage output, and AoE. Also both lack conditions). Might be better to switch between either GS and dual swords, or GS and a ranged weapon, or GS and hammers / maces to give you more versatility. Then you could either use one for kiters / conditions, then switch to the other for DPS / burst.

Originally posted by Loke666

OP want all weapons to behave the same?

Sounds boring to me, sorry OP but there are other games like that for you.

I think where he's coming from, is in some games where weapons are mostly just stat sticks, you get to choose your weapon for it's aesthetics quite a bit more than you will in a system like w/ GW2.

For example, if you like some of the skills a certain weapon has (it's playstyle), but you don't like the look of swinging that weapon, you are kinda screwed.

For example, there are certain weapons I will probably not use as much when I make my warrior, because I don't like the look of them, even if their playstyle seems interesting. Now, lucky for me I actually enjoy playing different playstyles quite frequently, so it's not as much of an issue; but if someone has a playstyle that fit's dual axes, but they like the look of a warrior w/ 2 swords, or a sword & shield, then they are kinda SOL.

Again, it's kind of a minor issue for most people, and is almost purely an aesthetics issue, but it is still a con to the system put in place. Personally I think the pros far outway the cons, but for some that may not be the case.

Originally posted by aesperus

Originally posted by Loke666

OP want all weapons to behave the same?

Sounds boring to me, sorry OP but there are other games like that for you.

I think where he's coming from, is in some games where weapons are mostly just stat sticks, you get to choose your weapon for it's aesthetics quite a bit more than you will in a system like w/ GW2.

For example, if you like some of the skills a certain weapon has (it's playstyle), but you don't like the look of swinging that weapon, you are kinda screwed.

For example, there are certain weapons I will probably not use as much when I make my warrior, because I don't like the look of them, even if their playstyle seems interesting. Now, lucky for me I actually enjoy playing different playstyles quite frequently, so it's not as much of an issue; but if someone has a playstyle that fit's dual axes, but they like the look of a warrior w/ 2 swords, or a sword & shield, then they are kinda SOL.

Again, it's kind of a minor issue for most people, and is almost purely an aesthetics issue, but it is still a con to the system put in place. Personally I think the pros far outway the cons, but for some that may not be the case.

Exactly.  

Originally posted by Tacomeat

Yes I'm very picky with my weapons.  In most games I gravitate to axes...but I'll just have to adapt...of course I'm still wondering why there are no 2h Axe option.  That's like a berserker's bread and butter.

I certainly won't adapt. I am VERY particular about the type of weapons I wield. For example, I usually gravitate towards bladed weapons. I won't complain about it though, since it's always been that way with games for me. Sometimes the type of class I like to play is a powerhouse, while in other games they are gimpish hybrids. Either way, I won't budge from what I like to play or how I play. I'm a skilled player, so I usually find a way of coping. In most games the class I like to play/weapons I prefer to use only really shine in group cooperative play, which I'm fine with, because I think in most games PvP is balanced with grouping in mind.

We'll see though.

Originally posted by Tacomeat

Yeah I intended to go in with a greatsword, close the gap and then switch to axes and go nuts.  Or just go with a hammer for control.  I don't know how fast the weapon swaps are or how long the cd is... trying to find info on that now.  

From what I've seen/heard... Instant and Instant would be my guess.

Originally posted by Mors-Subita

Originally posted by Tacomeat

Yeah I intended to go in with a greatsword, close the gap and then switch to axes and go nuts.  Or just go with a hammer for control.  I don't know how fast the weapon swaps are or how long the cd is... trying to find info on that now.  

From what I've seen/heard... Instant and Instant would be my guess.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe no-CD weapon switching is one of the perks of being a warrior, isn't it?

Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

Originally posted by Mors-Subita

Originally posted by Tacomeat

Yeah I intended to go in with a greatsword, close the gap and then switch to axes and go nuts.  Or just go with a hammer for control.  I don't know how fast the weapon swaps are or how long the cd is... trying to find info on that now.  

From what I've seen/heard... Instant and Instant would be my guess.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe no-CD weapon switching is one of the perks of being a warrior, isn't it?

Currently there is a CD for weapon switching even for warriors.  There is actually a minor trait to decrease the weapon switching CD.

I'm confused. I see two possible cases for this thread, in one the OP is misinformed and I can help clear that up. The other... uh, wow... people looking for things to complain about are really scraping the barrel, now.

Benefit of the doubt...

Okay, assuming you're talking about what I think you are.

No, each weapon you get allows you to unlock the skills for that weapon. If you unlock a set of skills for your first weapon, you're not stuck with those skills. Each weapon has five skills for you to unlock, and then you can switch back and forth freely. The skills you learn first won't impede you in any way. So if you learn sword skills first, but then you decide you want to use a mace, you can switch to a mace and not be penalised for that.

If you were thinking that learning how to use a sword first would penalise you/lock you into using a sword, then no, it won't. I'm glad I could help clear that up.

Scraping the barrel...

I'm... I'm sorry... let me know if I'm understanding this right...

I want a dagger to be purely cosmetic. I want it to be so that I can use any weapon skills with any weapon. So that if I want to use a mace skill like 'clobber,' I can use that with daggers! Because, uh... I'd be using the flat of my blade! Yeah! And... I want to be able to use greatsword skills whilst dual-wielding, because my swords can click together like Kratos, yo.

Really?

...I mean, ...really? ...really?

You're having me on. Honestly, pull the other one.

Originally posted by Dream_Chaser

I'm confused. I see two possible cases for this thread, in one the OP is misinformed and I can help clear that up. The other... uh, wow... people looking for things to complain about are really scraping the barrel, now.

Benefit of the doubt...

Okay, assuming you're talking about what I think you are.

No, each weapon you get allows you to unlock the skills for that weapon. If you unlock a set of skills for your first weapon, you're not stuck with those skills. Each weapon has five skills for you to unlock, and then you can switch back and forth freely. The skills you learn first won't impede you in any way. So if you learn sword skills first, but then you decide you want to use a mace, you can switch to a mace and not be penalised for that.

If you were thinking that learning how to use a sword first would penalise you/lock you into using a sword, then no, it won't. I'm glad I could help clear that up.

Scraping the barrel...

I'm... I'm sorry... let me know if I'm understanding this right...

I want a dagger to be purely cosmetic. I want it to be so that I can use any weapon skills with any weapon. So that if I want to use a mace skill like 'clobber,' I can use that with daggers! Because, uh... I'd be using the flat of my blade! Yeah! And... I want to be able to use greatsword skills whilst dual-wielding, because my swords can click together like Kratos, yo.

Really?

...I mean, ...really? ...really?

You're having me on. Honestly, pull the other one.

Why are you taking it to extremes? Realistically, anything you can do with a sword you can do with an axe, because both have bladed edges. What he was asking for is not unreasonable. Aesthetics are very important to people. Would you wear ugly clothes and shoes in real life, just because they were more practical? Or drive a car that has the best gas mileage even though it's ugly, when you prefer driving a sports car, SUV, or truck?

These games are RPG's, thus they attract people who get into their character. Part of that is appreciating how your character looks, the gear they wear, and the weapons they use. If you can't understand his point-of-view, and instead want to attack him for it, it just makes you look like a fanboi.

Originally posted by nate1980

Originally posted by Dream_Chaser

I'm confused. I see two possible cases for this thread, in one the OP is misinformed and I can help clear that up. The other... uh, wow... people looking for things to complain about are really scraping the barrel, now.

Benefit of the doubt...

Okay, assuming you're talking about what I think you are.

No, each weapon you get allows you to unlock the skills for that weapon. If you unlock a set of skills for your first weapon, you're not stuck with those skills. Each weapon has five skills for you to unlock, and then you can switch back and forth freely. The skills you learn first won't impede you in any way. So if you learn sword skills first, but then you decide you want to use a mace, you can switch to a mace and not be penalised for that.

If you were thinking that learning how to use a sword first would penalise you/lock you into using a sword, then no, it won't. I'm glad I could help clear that up.

Scraping the barrel...

I'm... I'm sorry... let me know if I'm understanding this right...

I want a dagger to be purely cosmetic. I want it to be so that I can use any weapon skills with any weapon. So that if I want to use a mace skill like 'clobber,' I can use that with daggers! Because, uh... I'd be using the flat of my blade! Yeah! And... I want to be able to use greatsword skills whilst dual-wielding, because my swords can click together like Kratos, yo.

Really?

...I mean, ...really? ...really?

You're having me on. Honestly, pull the other one.

Why are you taking it to extremes? Realistically, anything you can do with a sword you can do with an axe, because both have bladed edges. What he was asking for is not unreasonable. Aesthetics are very important to people. Would you wear ugly clothes and shoes in real life, just because they were more practical? Or drive a car that has the best gas mileage even though it's ugly, when you prefer driving a sports car, SUV, or truck?

These games are RPG's, thus they attract people who get into their character. Part of that is appreciating how your character looks, the gear they wear, and the weapons they use. If you can't understand his point-of-view, and instead want to attack him for it, it just makes you look like a fanboi.

I loled hard. If anything you could do with a sword you could do with an axe then why invent the other one? Are you telling me warriors in the past used Axes instead of swords to look more bad ass? Jesus christ. Just because they both cut and do damage doesnt mean they do it in the same way.

Originally posted by austriacus

Originally posted by nate1980

Originally posted by Dream_Chaser

I'm confused. I see two possible cases for this thread, in one the OP is misinformed and I can help clear that up. The other... uh, wow... people looking for things to complain about are really scraping the barrel, now.

Benefit of the doubt...

Okay, assuming you're talking about what I think you are.

No, each weapon you get allows you to unlock the skills for that weapon. If you unlock a set of skills for your first weapon, you're not stuck with those skills. Each weapon has five skills for you to unlock, and then you can switch back and forth freely. The skills you learn first won't impede you in any way. So if you learn sword skills first, but then you decide you want to use a mace, you can switch to a mace and not be penalised for that.

If you were thinking that learning how to use a sword first would penalise you/lock you into using a sword, then no, it won't. I'm glad I could help clear that up.

Scraping the barrel...

I'm... I'm sorry... let me know if I'm understanding this right...

I want a dagger to be purely cosmetic. I want it to be so that I can use any weapon skills with any weapon. So that if I want to use a mace skill like 'clobber,' I can use that with daggers! Because, uh... I'd be using the flat of my blade! Yeah! And... I want to be able to use greatsword skills whilst dual-wielding, because my swords can click together like Kratos, yo.

Really?

...I mean, ...really? ...really?

You're having me on. Honestly, pull the other one.

Why are you taking it to extremes? Realistically, anything you can do with a sword you can do with an axe, because both have bladed edges. What he was asking for is not unreasonable. Aesthetics are very important to people. Would you wear ugly clothes and shoes in real life, just because they were more practical? Or drive a car that has the best gas mileage even though it's ugly, when you prefer driving a sports car, SUV, or truck?

These games are RPG's, thus they attract people who get into their character. Part of that is appreciating how your character looks, the gear they wear, and the weapons they use. If you can't understand his point-of-view, and instead want to attack him for it, it just makes you look like a fanboi.

I loled hard. If anything you could do with a sword you could do with an axe then why invent the other one? Are you telling me warriors in the past used Axes instead of swords to look more bad ass? Jesus christ. Just because they both cut and do damage doesnt mean they do it in the same way.

I obviously expect way too much from todays youth. I'm not going to write a dissertation every time I create a post, just so all my bases are covered for people like you who will tear everything apart and nick pick things to death, and choose one part of a post to respond to instead of the gist of what the person was getting at. Because a person can't do this in every post, since it's not reasonable, a person must assume that other readers will use some common sense and benefit of the doubt.

Obviously I know there are differences between an axe and a sword. However, in regards to the OP problems, they both sever limbs do they not? They both can cut, causing a person to bleed can they not? They both can kill and maim, right?

There are going to be a wide variety of "skins" (unique looks) for the various weapons, so it's likely that most people will be able to find a good compromise. If you like the way axes look, but you want to use sword skills...maybe there are swords that look a bit more axe-like. Same goes for any other weapons. I'm guessing you'll find ones you like if you look around in-game.

If you find a look you like, you can use t-stones to keep that look throughout the game.

Here's a few of the weapon sets -

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/DiuGauLi/GW2weapons2.png
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hs7na_kazZI/Tq7FHoueOhI/AAAAAAAAAbM/U44yK74HMXU/s1600/weapons2.jpg
http://blawver.cghub.com/files/Image/121001-122000/121190/136_stream.jpg
http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b450/nadinedraws/ShiningBladeWeapons.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XQZi3LYnziY/Tq7FH7Ft8sI/AAAAAAAAAbY/LBfga3NsY4o/s1600/weapons1.jpg

Originally posted by nate1980

Originally posted by austriacus

Originally posted by nate1980

Originally posted by Dream_Chaser

I'm confused. I see two possible cases for this thread, in one the OP is misinformed and I can help clear that up. The other... uh, wow... people looking for things to complain about are really scraping the barrel, now.

Benefit of the doubt...

Okay, assuming you're talking about what I think you are.

No, each weapon you get allows you to unlock the skills for that weapon. If you unlock a set of skills for your first weapon, you're not stuck with those skills. Each weapon has five skills for you to unlock, and then you can switch back and forth freely. The skills you learn first won't impede you in any way. So if you learn sword skills first, but then you decide you want to use a mace, you can switch to a mace and not be penalised for that.

If you were thinking that learning how to use a sword first would penalise you/lock you into using a sword, then no, it won't. I'm glad I could help clear that up.

Scraping the barrel...

I'm... I'm sorry... let me know if I'm understanding this right...

I want a dagger to be purely cosmetic. I want it to be so that I can use any weapon skills with any weapon. So that if I want to use a mace skill like 'clobber,' I can use that with daggers! Because, uh... I'd be using the flat of my blade! Yeah! And... I want to be able to use greatsword skills whilst dual-wielding, because my swords can click together like Kratos, yo.

Really?

...I mean, ...really? ...really?

You're having me on. Honestly, pull the other one.

Why are you taking it to extremes? Realistically, anything you can do with a sword you can do with an axe, because both have bladed edges. What he was asking for is not unreasonable. Aesthetics are very important to people. Would you wear ugly clothes and shoes in real life, just because they were more practical? Or drive a car that has the best gas mileage even though it's ugly, when you prefer driving a sports car, SUV, or truck?

These games are RPG's, thus they attract people who get into their character. Part of that is appreciating how your character looks, the gear they wear, and the weapons they use. If you can't understand his point-of-view, and instead want to attack him for it, it just makes you look like a fanboi.

I loled hard. If anything you could do with a sword you could do with an axe then why invent the other one? Are you telling me warriors in the past used Axes instead of swords to look more bad ass? Jesus christ. Just because they both cut and do damage doesnt mean they do it in the same way.

I obviously expect way too much from todays youth. I'm not going to write a dissertation every time I create a post, just so all my bases are covered for people like you who will tear everything apart and nick pick things to death, and choose one part of a post to respond to instead of the gist of what the person was getting at. Because a person can't do this in every post, since it's not reasonable, a person must assume that other readers will use some common sense and benefit of the doubt.

Obviously I know there are differences between an axe and a sword. However, in regards to the OP problems, they both sever limbs do they not? They both can cut, causing a person to bleed can they not? They both can kill and maim, right?

Yes they both can, but like i said they do it in different ways, thats why there are different skills. Lets say for example there is a skill that Chops.  A sword isnt used for choping, it either thrusts or slices, same aplies to the axe, it cant thrust and the way it slices is different.

We are discussing skills here and how they make sence. Would it make sense for an axe user to be able to use a skill called lets say "royal thrust"?.

Originally posted by nate1980

Why are you taking it to extremes? Realistically, anything you can do with a sword you can do with an axe, because both have bladed edges. What he was asking for is not unreasonable. Aesthetics are very important to people. Would you wear ugly clothes and shoes in real life, just because they were more practical? Or drive a car that has the best gas mileage even though it's ugly, when you prefer driving a sports car, SUV, or truck?

These games are RPG's, thus they attract people who get into their character. Part of that is appreciating how your character looks, the gear they wear, and the weapons they use. If you can't understand his point-of-view, and instead want to attack him for it, it just makes you look like a fanboi.

Have you ever used either? No.

I can use a sword and I fought with some guys with axes, it is night and day.

Why invent the P51 when you have the DC3?

Go down to your local ARMA or SCA and learn the basics of melee before trying to discuss it.

And you bet that I would wear ugly clotes and shoes in a war. As for the car, gas here cost  over 2 bucks for a liter (no, not a gallon) so many people drive cheap cars because of it.

Sorry, but realism is more important than asthetics, at least to a certain degree.

Originally posted by austriacus

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Yes they both can, but like i said they do it in different ways, thats why there are different skills. Lets say for example there is a skill that Chops.  A sword cant chop, it either thrusts or slices, same aplies to the axe, it cant thrust and the way it slices is different.

We are discussing skills here and how they make sence. Would it make sense for an axe user to be able to use a skill called lets say "royal thrust"?.

Actualy its called Final Thrust, but yes you are rigth.