http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRRpGlmtws8&feature=youtu.be&a

Nuff said.

Not like it is any surprise. If anyone thinks that games are not developed with some DLC's then you're naive.

Some DLC's are made after game is finished for sure (monitoring community what  woudl sell good) but some are surely made during main game production.

So what. Wow didn't release with all it's expansions so blizzy left a bunch out that we had to pay for.  Seems like  you have an axe to grind.

Originally posted by fenistil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRRpGlmtws8&feature=youtu.be&a

 

Nuff said.

 

 

Not like it is any surprise. If anyone thinks that games are not developed with some DLC's then you're naive.

Some DLC's are made after game is finished for sure (monitoring community what  woudl sell good) but some are surely made during main game production.

Didn't purchase the game nor have I played any Mass Effects, but this is an interesting controversy over this DLC. Seems to be right there on the disc though and that means the code was already ready to rock when it was burned to the disc.

The burning process should lock the DVD so nothing else can be added to it afterwards. This is my most basic interprentation of understanding how the process works. Sad to say, I think Bioware'/EA been caught with their hands in the cookie jar...

Namely the consumers pockets..

Some 'controversy' with 300 views and no particular headlines on the situation lol. Every developer that has started releasing DLC's was accused of this a couple of years ago and it was barely  "a thing" then and is still around now.

Its sad that most developers these days don't develop for the joy of making a game other people would likely enjoy playing. It's all for money now. :/

Yikes, this is pathetic.

Btw the video already has 5.200 likes.

And no, this isn't the same, this is day 1 dlc ON DISC.

Seriously, pathetic.

Originally posted by waynejr2

So what. Wow didn't release with all it's expansions so blizzy left a bunch out that we had to pay for.  Seems like  you have an axe to grind.

Are you mad? They're expansions, they're developed after the game is released. You're comparing apples to flying squirrels. The problem here is they developed the game with the Prothean as a character in it, then disabled him and gave him for free only to collector's editions, forcing other people to buy a character on day 1 of the game's release when he's ALREADY IN THE GAME. They're basically not giving you a complete game. This has happened many times, but usually companies have the common courtesy of waiting a week or 2 before jamming their cock up our asses with their "new" DLC, but Bioware is being so obvious about it it's puke-worthy. You're paying 10 (or is it 15?) dollars to flick a switch in the game-files.

Originally posted by waynejr2

So what. Wow didn't release with all it's expansions so blizzy left a bunch out that we had to pay for.  Seems like  you have an axe to grind.

lol

Originally posted by Valentina

Some 'controversy' with 300 views and no particular headlines on the situation lol. Every developer that has started releasing DLC's was accused of this a couple of years ago and it was barely  "a thing" then and is still around now.

I've always seen DLC as something added to the game after initial production. I never would expect to see DLC on my disc already there. There are situations where a developer can do this, they are normally the little hidden gems in the game but aren't charged for them in most cases.

It'd be like charging people to be able to use the 'Konami' code even though it was already in the game and all they had to do was change a 1 to a 0 to allow the player to use it.

With comparisions to MMO's DLC works different, somethings can be locked away for later lore and mechanic installations but its a monthly subscription that I would think there are probably some things they don't want people accessing right off the bat. Data-mining has really opened the door into the background of some games development.

I'm not going to say Bio / EA is right or wrong here, but I wouldn't be so happy having paid for the game and already having stuff that's on DLC before its even out..

Originally posted by fenistil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRRpGlmtws8&feature=youtu.be&a

 

Nuff said.

 

 

Not like it is any surprise. If anyone thinks that games are not developed with some DLC's then you're naive.

Some DLC's are made after game is finished for sure (monitoring community what  woudl sell good) but some are surely made during main game production.

I wrote off EA/bioware after DA:O was trying to sell me quests in game.  LOL.  I already bought the damn game and they wanted to sell me in game content...Keep in mind for all those who will say some silly stiff, THIS WAS NOT AN EXPANSION, but in game content I had to pay (again I already bought the game) for.  To all those who want to support these business practices -- go ahead.  I will keep playing Skyrim, Torchlight, etc amd support studios I respect.

Hahaha pwned again by the scammers at EA marketing.. HELO, they were caught lying back in 2000 when they promoted madden had DOWNFIELD blocking as a new feature.. it already did years before this..

I love how they say.. another team came in and did this... HAHAHHAAH omg.. like they dont even have enough "TEAMS" to do the launch at launch, and they have more teams come in prior/post launch?!?! hahah

I aint bought shit in long time from EA, and I have not MISSED  a thing...

and too all other crooked devs out there.. Funcom, and those looking to lie... your future is on your lips and your pencil..... i'd keep em sharp, closed and hidden

Just because the model is in the base game doesn't mean ALL of the content of 'From Ashes' is in there as well, such as the mission itself, all of his dalogue throughout the game, the particle rifle, etc. Also, the video could have been edited in such a way as to make it appear as though the DLC wasn't installed initially when browsing the files, but was installed when the game footage was shot. Not saying that is the case, but it's certainly possible.

And another thing: If it were on the disc already, then why is the download just over 600MB? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. It should have been a simple 128KB download to 'unlock' the DLC if it were already there.

Not really defending EA here, just trying to get people to think before they jump on the 'OMFG EA SUCKS THEY RIPPED US OFF!' bandwagon.

Bioware are really scummy developers, but they'll continue to do what they please how they please as long as people keep buying their games, which IMO aren't even any good.  And modern consumers, especially the gaming community, tend to have about as much self-control as flies next to a fresh steaming pile of elephant dung.

What do you expect from a company likes this?   I wouldn't trust anything they say.  

ok so I don't own and havn't played the game. my questions is.. Can the game be played completely through without the DLC?

If the DLC had been created a few months or a year later would it have then been ok?

If yes, Then is the complaint that they devoted recourses to developing additional content at the same time as developing the game and this cost should be eaten by them and given to you for free? Just because it was developed at the same time you feel entitled to it?

If there is any kind of bandwagon for haters to jump on then by George they are going to just leap onboard to try to lend their hatred a little more credence, why let facts stand in the way of a good bit of hating?

Besides, it's semantics where the data was, if a developer wants to put 4 expansions on the same disc & unlock them later  that's not all that different from releasing expansions with the data gotten later on, the only difference being where it was stored in the interim.

But perceived evil, perceived ripping off customers always trumps semantics & if EA/BioWare are anything it's stupid to think people wouldn't find something "wrong" with this because consumers don't think the same way as developers, & sometimes just plain don't think at all.

Originally posted by Aruvia

ok so I don't own and havn't played the game. my questions is.. Can the game be played completely through without the DLC?

If the DLC had been created a few months or a year later would it have then been ok?

If yes, Then is the complaint that they devoted recourses to developing additional content at the same time as developing the game and this cost should be eaten by them and given to you for free? Just because it was developed at the same time you feel entitled to it?

 

You can play it without the DLC, start to finish.  It has some great backstory about the Protheans but is it needed for the game?

No.

Originally posted by Aruvia

ok so I don't own and havn't played the game. my questions is.. Can the game be played completely through without the DLC?

If the DLC had been created a few months or a year later would it have then been ok?

If yes, Then is the complaint that they devoted recourses to developing additional content at the same time as developing the game and this cost should be eaten by them and given to you for free? Just because it was developed at the same time you feel entitled to it?

 

Entitled.... seriously?

It's ok, you have low standards, but it's not just that, you call ENTITLED to people who actually stand up and refuse to buy a game because of shaddy bussines.

Originally posted by spaceport

Originally posted by Aruvia

ok so I don't own and havn't played the game. my questions is.. Can the game be played completely through without the DLC?

If the DLC had been created a few months or a year later would it have then been ok?

If yes, Then is the complaint that they devoted recourses to developing additional content at the same time as developing the game and this cost should be eaten by them and given to you for free? Just because it was developed at the same time you feel entitled to it?

 

Entitled.... seriously?

It's ok, you have low standards, but it's not just that, you call ENTITLED to people who actually stand up and refuse to buy a game because of shaddy bussines.

You're using platitudes to try to prove a point.  The game can be played seamlessly without the DLC.

Originally posted by Quesa

Originally posted by spaceport

Originally posted by Aruvia

ok so I don't own and havn't played the game. my questions is.. Can the game be played completely through without the DLC?

If the DLC had been created a few months or a year later would it have then been ok?

If yes, Then is the complaint that they devoted recourses to developing additional content at the same time as developing the game and this cost should be eaten by them and given to you for free? Just because it was developed at the same time you feel entitled to it?

 

Entitled.... seriously?

It's ok, you have low standards, but it's not just that, you call ENTITLED to people who actually stand up and refuse to buy a game because of shaddy bussines.

The game can be played seamlessly without the DLC.

Whats your point?

I mean, Skyrim could start with only 2 skill trees, One handed and Two handed... and Bethesda could sell each other skill tree for 10$. You can still play the game seamlessly without it LOL

Let me guess.... you work in the video game industry?