Originally posted by Suzie_Ford

The cash shop, at least from all that I've both seen and read, is convenience only. For instance, players will be able to buy outfit items. Since there IS no armor class in TSW, the purchase is purely for cosmetic looks only. Why would anyone feel compelled to use a cash shop?

Really, this sort of revenue model is a good one. People kvetch about box prices with subs. People kvetch about F2P with item malls. This is a nice mix of both: A quality subscription game (which many say makes a better, higher quality game) with a convenience store if so desired.

Funcom isn't going to be twisting anyone's arm to buy stuff to "win".

People kvetch, rightly, about paying a box price, subscription and a cash shop.  But please, do continue defending the indefensible.  I'm sure you'll be right there behind them when we're also paying extra for premium support because the inch we gave, eventually turns into a mile.  No one bothered to do that with EA and now they are getting slapped with day one DLC.

Businesses will push to get as much as they can from the consumer.  It's the consumer's duty to push back.  Good to know which side you come down on.

It's shocking what willing victims some of us are.

Originally posted by Unlight

Originally posted by Suzie_Ford

The cash shop, at least from all that I've both seen and read, is convenience only. For instance, players will be able to buy outfit items. Since there IS no armor class in TSW, the purchase is purely for cosmetic looks only. Why would anyone feel compelled to use a cash shop?

Really, this sort of revenue model is a good one. People kvetch about box prices with subs. People kvetch about F2P with item malls. This is a nice mix of both: A quality subscription game (which many say makes a better, higher quality game) with a convenience store if so desired.

Funcom isn't going to be twisting anyone's arm to buy stuff to "win".

People kvetch, rightly, about paying a box price, subscription and a cash shop.  But please, do continue defending the indefensible.  I'm sure you'll be right there behind them when we're also paying extra for premium support because the inch we gave, eventually turns into a mile.  No one bothered to do that with EA and now they are getting slapped with day one DLC.

Businesses will push to get as much as they can from the consumer.  It's the consumer's duty to push back.  Good to know which side you come down on.

It's shocking what willing victims some of us are.

Yeah reminds me of that Futurama episode when he said: "Shut up and take my money!"

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Unlight

Originally posted by Suzie_Ford

The cash shop, at least from all that I've both seen and read, is convenience only. For instance, players will be able to buy outfit items. Since there IS no armor class in TSW, the purchase is purely for cosmetic looks only. Why would anyone feel compelled to use a cash shop?

Really, this sort of revenue model is a good one. People kvetch about box prices with subs. People kvetch about F2P with item malls. This is a nice mix of both: A quality subscription game (which many say makes a better, higher quality game) with a convenience store if so desired.

Funcom isn't going to be twisting anyone's arm to buy stuff to "win".

People kvetch, rightly, about paying a box price, subscription and a cash shop.  But please, do continue defending the indefensible.  I'm sure you'll be right there behind them when we're also paying extra for premium support because the inch we gave, eventually turns into a mile.  No one bothered to do that with EA and now they are getting slapped with day one DLC.

Businesses will push to get as much as they can from the consumer.  It's the consumer's duty to push back.  Good to know which side you come down on.

It's shocking what willing victims some of us are.

Yeah reminds me of that Futurama episode when he said: "Shut up and take my money!"

Yeah ,that's kinda sad actually. 

Great post Unlight.

Originally posted by Yamota

There is a reason for the scepticism of MMORPG gamers. It is after one dissapointment after another, which promised great things but instead delivered a casual ThemePark/WoW clone with some gimmicks. Be it voice acting, rifts, semi-action paced combat, it's minor things that we are supposed to be overjoyed over. We are not and hence why we have grown sceptic when developers are promising the next great thing.

   Yep that sums it up, with a side of "This company has burned us before".

Originally posted by Unlight

Originally posted by Suzie_Ford

The cash shop, at least from all that I've both seen and read, is convenience only. For instance, players will be able to buy outfit items. Since there IS no armor class in TSW, the purchase is purely for cosmetic looks only. Why would anyone feel compelled to use a cash shop?

Really, this sort of revenue model is a good one. People kvetch about box prices with subs. People kvetch about F2P with item malls. This is a nice mix of both: A quality subscription game (which many say makes a better, higher quality game) with a convenience store if so desired.

Funcom isn't going to be twisting anyone's arm to buy stuff to "win".

People kvetch, rightly, about paying a box price, subscription and a cash shop.  But please, do continue defending the indefensible.  I'm sure you'll be right there behind them when we're also paying extra for premium support because the inch we gave, eventually turns into a mile.  No one bothered to do that with EA and now they are getting slapped with day one DLC.

Businesses will push to get as much as they can from the consumer.  It's the consumer's duty to push back.  Good to know which side you come down on.

It's shocking what willing victims some of us are.

     Ok your point of view I can not agree with. You act as if the box price and subscription price as some huge amount of cash that is set there to burn you.  I don't get this continuing mind set for a hobby that most are apparently quite passionate for, that these companies should not make any money. There are a lot of costs associated with developing and maintaining a mmo-rpg. The box price and subscription price are cheap, I just don't get this. You want it free, develop and maintain it yourself.

   The only thing I am critical about in regards to cash shops are if they sell mechanical advantages. If they sell fluff item, I don't care. The cash earned from these shops helps the company continue to exist in a healthy state. Which means it can continue to make, support and develop things I like. You know I'm a pretty socialist sort of guy honestly or maybe a better way to put it would be an ethical democrate. Not sure if there is a clear label really, but my point is I am not someone who thinks greed is good, specially blind greed at the cost of ethical behavior.

   But I just don't get this mind set that you all think that these developers are robbing you blind. If they design crap, you walk away. Even when I was a kid I could have earned or did actually earn enough to pay for these games as a monthly hobby. I would have needed my parents to buy my computer, or at least the one I'd have wanted. lol. Actually scratch that I could have raised the cash over the summer, so even the hard ware was within my reach. So again, I just don't get the issue that for less then the cost of going to a movie and buying snacks you all act like mmo-rpg developers are out to rob you blind. If you don't see the value in their games, don't buy them.

   Play something else, obviously you don't see the value in this genre and think that stand alone games are of more value. They develop it, they launch it and they walk away, ok sometimes they might patch it a bit. That I see posts of people claiming to be shocked or robbed or calling themselves victims, just makes me think that you don't know what those terms mean.

so, why is it no one is complaining about wow?

they have a box, a sub, and a cash shop too. 10 million victims, baby?

"The Secret World is being billed as the “thinking man’s MMO” and, let’s face it: That’s not going to appeal to everyone, especially ..." women like me who are sick of thoughtless and pervasive sexism.

Just to spell it out, I don't mean the game itself (don't know enough about it yet), I mean the phrase "thinking man's mmo".  I mean come on, this is 2012 where awareness of gender/race/sexuality bias is supposed to be heightened.  As I've said before, ad nauseum, if these comments were racist in nature folks would object.

Anyway back to my thoughts about The Secret World, like the OP, I'm really, really looking forward to GW2 and have been for years, but this game also appeals because it might just feel fresh and original, a break from the traditional fantasy stuff (which I do enjoy).

I don't care what anyone thinks, i want to play this game and i'm lookiing forward to it's release!

Originally posted by Thane

so, why is it no one is complaining about wow?

they have a box, a sub, and a cash shop too. 10 million victims, baby?

Think you missed circa 3 billions of post complaining about it.

Besides WoW did add cash shop like 5 years after release?

Think whinage would be much smaller if TSW would add cash shop 5 years after it's release in 2017.

Last but not least. Who cares? 

Just cause some other comapny is doing it wrong does not mean that people that don't like this can't voice their opinion on it.

Not touching TSW with a stick cause of douple dipping greedy BM.

Originally posted by Games888

If u like killing zombies and running around solving mysteries or doing quests with no instructions this is the game for u.

 

 

 

Oh the horror! How dare FC make us use our brains to complete a quest instead of spelling every thing out for us beforehand  via the quest NPC. How cruel of them to make us use our brains.  

One would think that someone who's been saving up brain cells by only typing "u" instead of wasting them on those pesky y's and o's, could spare a cell or two on figuring out a quest on their own without having it spelled out for them. 

Originally posted by fenistil

Originally posted by Thane

so, why is it no one is complaining about wow?

they have a box, a sub, and a cash shop too. 10 million victims, baby?

Think you missed circa 3 billions of post complaining about it.

 

Besides WoW did add cash shop like 5 years after release?

 

Think whinage would be much smaller if TSW would add cash shop 5 years after it's release in 2017.

 

Last but not least. Who cares? 

Just cause some other comapny is doing it wrong does not mean that people that don't like this can't voice their opinion on it.

 

Not touching TSW with a stick cause of douple dipping greedy BM.

 

It matters not one iota when WoW added it's cash shop. It has a cash shop. Period. Either a game has one, or it doesn't. When it was added is moot.

And so by your logic, WoW is a greedy double dipper with it's box, sub and cash shop.

And bseides, it's been stated multiple times that TSW's cash shop is for cosmetic items only. There'll be no "I win!" items available, so someone who uses the cash shop won't have any advantage over you if you choose not to use it.  

I'm looking forward to it, but honestly......

I have, like others had pointed out, saw flaw in their proposed pricing plan and figured I'd just wait for it to go F2P soon enough.

The mechanics / game play / content are all rather exciting things for me personally. Even if some of it might feel samey, there seems to be enough unique to the game to make up for that.

I won't sub / cash shop to any game tho'.

It's a stupid model.

I have high hopes for The Secret World, it could be a bit of fresh air in today mmo stench.

Please people, do not fool your selves into believing the Item Mall will only have cosmetic or fluff items. I can not think of a single item mall game that said "our shop won't sell anything with a WIN button or give you advantage over other players" and mean that.

If not during launch, then shortly after, the Item Mall will have +XP items, items to upgrade gear, mounts(if game will have such things), healing items, teleport/quick transport items and other things they say won't give one player advantage over another. Problem is, those are all advantageous items in PVP.

Someone said before there nothing we can do about it and we either play or we don't play. That is very wrong. A player base can have control over such things. The player base just has to speak loud enough. If enough people make a stink about it, a company will change their view and this has been proven in other games. Losing a player base because they ignore majority of complaints is a company shooting them selves in the foot.

Originally posted by mmoDAD

Originally posted by Suzie_Ford

The cash shop, at least from all that I've both seen and read, is convenience only. For instance, players will be able to buy outfit items. Since there IS no armor class in TSW, the purchase is purely for cosmetic looks only. Why would anyone feel compelled to use a cash shop?

Really, this sort of revenue model is a good one. People kvetch about box prices with subs. People kvetch about F2P with item malls. This is a nice mix of both: A quality subscription game (which many say makes a better, higher quality game) with a convenience store if so desired.

Funcom isn't going to be twisting anyone's arm to buy stuff to "win".

 

The whole "aesthetic only is okay" thing is total bullshit.

People play games for a variety of reasons. Why should someone who wants to look the best aesthetically have to pay more than an adventurer who wants the best gear?

So after I purchase the following:

+$50-$60 for game...

+$15 per month

+$15 per month

+$15 per month

+$15 per month

+$15 per month

+$15 per month

+$15 per month

 

....I still have to pay extra for a nice looking cape or cloak?

 

I'm done with this nickel & diming model. I will not participate. Funcom, IMO, is now in the same bag as Cryptic.

 

So you are going to bash a game because you want that cape?  Are you serious?  You remind of the "Monty Python" player back in the pen and paper days of D&D who wanted a Vorpal Sword +5 Dragon Slayer at Level 2.  Yes please, stay out of the game!

Originally posted by kelendar

So you are going to bash a game because you want that cape?  Are you serious?  You remind of the "Monty Python" player back in the pen and paper days of D&D who wanted a Vorpal Sword +5 Dragon Slayer at Level 2.  Yes please, stay out of the game!

Hall not Python.

     I think more than any other game this is one that I want to try in open beta......I'm intrigued by the quest (and I usually dont like mundane MMO quests) and the skill system....I like that it is classless and skill based....I like that it feels more realistic than most fantasy games.....BUT

Like many of you Im skeptical about the business model...I think they are putting this in place because at some point there will be an f2p option just like there is in AO and AoC....I also dont like that it feels like they are hiding some things, like they did with AoC....It also sounds like the game is heavily dependant on the community.....This can be a great thing or a terrible thing

I get TSW's want to have a cosmetic item shop.

I mean say what you will about Turbine or Riot Games, but they made that model an art form.

The problem here is expecting a 40-60 dollar box, 15 dollars a month, and then 1.99+ for pretty leather boots and spiked collars on top of it.

There's a lot of people who don't mind, and I be there will even be some idiots who'll pay for it. The hybrid model exists well enough, but it's going to keep a lot of core gamers away until they drop some of those fees.

Just cuz we know it's going to happen. It's not being cheap, it's being frugal.