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3/09/12 5:24:34 AM#41
Originally posted by laserit

It's just like any business, they have to find a way to minimise it. Just like stores find ways to minimise shop lifting, all the scanners and video survielance etc. etc.

It's actually not the same at all.  Real stores have reactive security systems in place.

After someone steals the camers are used to ID the person or the alarms go off after the theft has taken place.

DRM is a proactive security system.  Just like the security scans at the airport, only even more invasive.  Today's DRM methods are more akin to everyone that goes through airport security has to have a rectal exam before being allowed to fly.

If people were stealing from you, you would come up with ways to try  to stop them. It wouldnt matter how many or how much they stole from you.

True, and some would argue that internet piracy is not stealing since no product is actually being taken the company or store that would sell the product is not actually losing any money.  The are losing the potential to make money, which means absolutely nothing.

If you stop and think about the issue for a second you will see that the media insdustry and their billions of dollars are making a non-issue seem like a huge problem.

Would you consider Google a criminal organization?  Google pirates millions of articles and pictures.  They put links to the actual website the information was taken from, but you don't have to go there to see it.

Would you consider someone who photo copies an article out of a magazine and then gives the copies to their friends a criminal that should be fined?  They are taking revenue away from the magazine, after all.

DRM is the price we pay, because of the pricks stealing... pure and simple.

DRM is the price we pay for game studios being run by idiots that would rather spend millions trying to prevent something they will never be able to, instead of spending that money to understand the reason their products are being pirated in the first place.

I hate paying for my gas upfront when I refuel my vehicle and being under video survielance when I do. But I dont blame the gas station or the oil company's for that.

I think this is the way most people feel.  But if the gas station inacted a DRM-style anti-theft system you may change your attitude a bit. 

Imagine if, before you could buy gas, you had to sign up for an account and they need all of your personal information and a scan of your photo id, for security.  Every type of station will need a different account, of course.   Your personal information and picture gets entered into some semi-secure database somewhere in the world so that it can later be sold to advertising companies. 

Now that your account's all set up it's time to log in at the pump.  So you put in your username and password and let it scan your face, but there's some error in the facial recognition, so you try again, same error.  You get the gas station attendant over to see what the issue is and they shine up the lense a bit with a rag and now it confirms your identity correctly.

Oh, but wait, the internet connection is down, your account could not be verified. 

Sorry, you can't buy gas right now.  What's that?  You have cash?  Well, sorry, you still need to verify your account first, you know, security. 

I'm just playing devil's advocate here.  I do not participate in any type of piracy.  While I do not agree with the laws, I still follow them.

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3/09/12 1:48:57 PM#42
Originally posted by Pivotelite
Originally posted by fivoroth
Originally posted by Yizle

This is based on the xbox 360 so not sure about pc or ps3 but I will assume its the same as the CE wording seems to be the same when you compare the products on Amazon.


The best part of this is all the whiners who complain about the day one DLC. You do know that the Ashes DLC is just extra missions/member/content that came for free in the CE? Hence if you bought the CE there is no day one DLC unless you want some junk for your avatar.

Don't try to reason with them .I've been trying to explain this several times now but people just don't want to listen. They are on their self-righteous crusade to rid the gaming world of evil companies like BioWare. They would praise the games of old and will make wild unfounded generalisations about the state of the gaming industry at the moment. If you don't hate on BioWare they will just say that because of people like YOU the industry is in this state.

 Makes sense, you get the DLC "FREE" when you pay $20 more. Wow, we sure are hard to reason with, how didn't I realize the dlc was free, derp.

So do you guys also whine when a Collector's Edition of a game gives you in-game content? If the DLC was part of the CE game and you couldn't get it any other way, would that be acceptable?

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3/09/12 1:54:14 PM#43
Originally posted by DarkPony

Personally I think the industry's move towards DLC as a whole is a bad thing. It's something different than extensive expansions released after a year or so; it stimulates releasing games like a car without a wind shield and only a 10 gallon fuel tank; low on content and missing certain appealing features which people would pay money for.

Agreed. The only way to stop this kind of gouging is to wait six months to a year and buy the collection. Of course, the majority of junkies, I mean gamers, would have to do the same to get that to work lol. 

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3/09/12 2:41:50 PM#44
Originally posted by laserit

I hate paying for my gas upfront when I refuel my vehicle and being under video survielance when I do. But I dont blame the gas station or the oil company's for that.


I guess this is a cultural thing, because the upfront payment for your gas in europe wouldn't fly under customer protection laws.

If you were willing to accept this practice when it was introduced, well, poor you (collective "you"), now you are stuck with it.

I would immediately complain to the station and company or quit buying from a station with that practice at all. If it was a law i would oppose it with all my strenght as a consumer and citizen.


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3/09/12 2:53:44 PM#45
Originally posted by fivoroth

I just started playing the game. I think I am about 3 hours into it which is basically the first 2 missions. I am lovin it so far. I don't see why people hate it so much. The story and presentation is just as great as ME1/2. The graphics are much better. Nothing groundbreaking but their are very pleasing to look at. The gameplay is very similar to ME2. It has been slightly improved with some really nice additions which make the combat much more engaging.


My advice to anyone who is considering buying the game is to NOT read reviews. If you enjoyed Mass Effect 1 & 2, there is ABSOLUTELY NO reason why you shouldn't like ME3. If you loved ME1 and 2, you will love ME3.

If you didn't like Mass Effect 1 & 2, then ME3 is NOT going to change your mind. It stays true to the series.

If you have never played Mass Effect, then don't buy ME3. Start with ME1 then ME2 then ME3. Mass Effect 3 is not a game which you can just pick up without playing the prequels. It's not only slight nuances which you will not  be able to appreciate. You will simply not understand what the game is about. It really doesn't have the same impact if you just picked up ME3 without playing the previous games.

This mirrors my thoughts on ME3.

I preordered with origin when they offered BF3 free with ME3 preorders. I figured that was a pretty good deal despite the day 1 DLC issue ( which I dont agree with at all ).

Having played ME3 for around 6 or 7 hours I like it so far. I enjoyed ME1 & 2 tho. If you didnt like those or never played them then my advice is to skip ME3 altogether or go play ME1 & 2 and see how you like those.

Its nothing just ground breaking but overall its a fun game, especially if your a fan or the 1st two.


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3/09/12 9:33:30 PM#46

WHOO HOOO crap reviews it will hit the bargin bin faster for me

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3/09/12 11:29:41 PM#47
Originally posted by Dameonk
Originally posted by laserit



While it's easy to believe DRM is a necessary evil due to pirating - hell, it makes sense and seems logical - this isn't the case. It's a response to pirating, but it's not even remotely successful. Not a single person here can, nor will they ever, be able to give me JUST ONE SINGLE GAME where the DRM kept pirates at bay. Not a single one has done it. Not even the ones that require Windows Live/Steam/etc. It just doesn't work. Meanwhile, the people who actually do legitimately buy their games are the only ones that have to deal with the over-complications and pitfalls of DRM. Clearly, the guys behind Witcher 2 realize this. With any luck, more game studios will pull their heads from their bum and take notice as well.


As for people that don't understand why people are hating on Mass Effect 3, I noticed all of them are only "a few hours in" or what have you. The most vocal minority are the ones complaining about DLC. The majority have a very specific complaint, detailed in a 600 page discussion on BSN forums, a poll of almost 10,000 votes and a petition of almost 1,000 at this point. My answer to you is that you play the game to the end and then give your opinion as, for most people, the last 5-10 minutes of the game is where the hate is coming from.

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